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I really need some objective advice re dd

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stillvicarinatutu · 18/12/2022 21:14

I'm going to give the back story so no drip feed .

My dd is 25 , and I have a ds , 31.

My dh and I married at 19 and I left him when I was 42.

I had done everything at home , ds had meningitis and later dx with autism , I did 8 weeks alone in hospital, all the medical appointments, all the home admin , childcare, if the kids were ill it was my job to sort , I worked part time too. Dh worked ridiculously unsocial hours and I spent every single night of the marriage alone . Sex was shit and he has ED .

I left him at 42 , my ds had left home , my dd had started university. I was attracted to a man I worked with, but I wouldn't have an affair , I left in January. I started seeing someone else in March. By this time I had battled to get a full time job that paid because dh earned a pittance. I was the breadwinner and had been for 4 years.

I have no doubt this affected dd deeply although at the time I wasn't thinking straight - I was menopausal, restless, bored and sick of everything.

She dropped uni a year later and went home to her dad and the marital home. I was renting .

She was and is angry with me . I got pg with the man I was seeing at 44, dd seemed excited, but the baby had a fatal chromosome disorder and I terminated mid term which was really hard . My then partner was shit and no support. We weren't living together. We stayed together a short time and lived together for a while but he was increasingly abusive and I left .

I've lived alone for 3.5 years.
The problem is my relationship with dd. It's broken . We were extremely close - now it's strained.

She complains to her father that I don't do enough to see her .
Yet if I try , she's busy , if I say can I call , she's busy , if I ask to meet up , she's busy .

The guilt I felt from leaving means I did nothing about divorce or finances . Dd says since I left , I shouldn't get anything. Her father agrees. I paid 21 years of a mortgage, and I've paid 50k of debt off - mine and dhs- it's taken me 6 years. We had separate IVA and I paid both . (He couldn't afford it- I could )
This means he has stayed in the marital home .
He is now seeing another woman - fine - he is 56 and so is she , no plans to live together or marry etc .
I've now said it's time to divorce and sort finances . He's blown up at me - I left - I should have nothing . That's how he feels , and how my kids feel.
I've said I will not force a sale or make him homeless.
I'm looking at alternative solutions including me buying a park home on retirement so he can keep the house . As long as I aren't renting after retirement- I'm happy . I am currently renting .

I've become great friends with my neighbour and we do a lot for each other . We are spending Xmas day together, and going halves on dinner . She's goi g to be alone with her dd who is autistic, I'd be alone , her dd has asked if I can be there and since me and her mum get together every week anyway , for food and wine , we go out for the occasional drink, go shopping together, stuff mates do ! It's lovely . Her dad has virtually adopted me too ! It's nice .

Dd and ds are with their dad for Xmas day - so they were coming to me Boxing Day .

I've got their presents here to give them then .
Dd wanted a second Xmas dinner . That would be quite expensive and my lovely neighbour and friend suggested we do a big shop , go halves , and do a lovely Boxing Day buffet and have it at hers .

So I text dd asking what she thought.

Text back is horrible. Basically dd is saying "we wanted to see you since you never bother , I do t want to see your friend she isn't part of my life , so just forget it we will just come for an hour in the afternoon. "

I've text back - it was just a suggestion- no problem- we do t have to do that , we can stick to Xmas dinner here etc .

No reply then a curt reply saying stop texting me, I have a life you know , I'm out with (boyfriends parents ) .

I text back - are you free for a call later ?

Nothing back .

Her Xmas list consisted of expensive ugg slippers , she's buying a house so I got her a kettle and toaster, towels, personalised photo frame and Xmas bauble , stuff for her car , I've
Got her boyfriend a brew dog gift set , something for his car ,

I've got ds a silver key ring and a luxury travel wallet, and I'll be getting him some other bits this week .

He can't take much back to Asia with him where he lives . He doesn't carry luggage .

I live alone, I barely make ends meet . I've 2 more payments on dh iva then it's done , and 9 more on mine . I've not had my hair done in over a year , I've not my car serviced for 4 years, I shop at Aldi, -
And yet - I'm still the villain . I can buy the uggs etc , but when I dared suggest Boxing Day buffet with neighbour you'd think I'd suggested selling dds first born to the devil himself .
Now it appears she isnt even speaking to me.

I do not know how to heal this.
My own relationship with my mother is NC and has been for 25 years. I do t want that for me and dd - yet I cannot win . Everything I say , everything I suggest, is met with anger. I suggested counselling- nope.
Her dad is the bees knees of course .

Neither of the kids checked on me recently when I had pneumonia. Dd said she thought I was making it up. An ambulance was sent and I was on a nebuliser. They wouldn't come look after my dogs so I could go to hospital.

What the fuck do I do now ? I hate this . I'm constantly apologising. I'm constantly trying . I've asked her what she wants .
She seems to hate me .
I tried to speak with ds about the house etc and he went straight back to his dad and told him - then he said he does t want to be involved- fair enough.

But I cannot win . The only thing that would satisfy them all is if I go away , ask for nothing out of the house , give everything away , go quietly, rent for life , spend my pension on rent and then claim benefits (this is dh"s suggestion when I asked how I rent after retirement. )

I haven't done anything. I've asked nothing. And they are acting like this now - if I do press for some equity I dread to think what happens then . They barely tolerate me now .

I do not know what to do.

OP posts:
stillvicarinatutu · 23/12/2022 07:30

I do see it .

Just want to get the debt paid - then I'll be taking legal advice and following it.

It occurred to me today- I'm goi g to have to ask dh for loan back this month due to Xmas yes if I wasn't paying his iva I'd be quite able to manage . The only reason I'm doing this now is because there are 2 payments left . And then his debt is gone - mine soon after . The equity is protected for both of us . After Xmas there is a lot to sort out .

OP posts:
Margo34 · 23/12/2022 08:13

stillvicarinatutu · 23/12/2022 07:30

I do see it .

Just want to get the debt paid - then I'll be taking legal advice and following it.

It occurred to me today- I'm goi g to have to ask dh for loan back this month due to Xmas yes if I wasn't paying his iva I'd be quite able to manage . The only reason I'm doing this now is because there are 2 payments left . And then his debt is gone - mine soon after . The equity is protected for both of us . After Xmas there is a lot to sort out .

If he can afford to give you a loan to cover Christmas, he can afford to pay his IVA. I hear you that you want the debt gone. But you're not helping yourself. Instead of loaning to you for his debt, he could and should actually pay his debt.

Afterfire · 23/12/2022 08:17

Why is everyone going on and on about the IVA? As I understand it there are only a payment or two left of it. It’s pointless causing endless rows at this point about it. Yes, op shouldn’t have paid it in the first place but at this point it isn’t worth worrying about. It’s derailing the thread.

stillvicarinatutu · 23/12/2022 10:18

Well he can't afford it . That's why I pay it . It's protecting the equity so since I've done 6 years I may as well do the last 2 .

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DontStopMeNow7 · 24/12/2022 08:46

Let me get this straight, and forgive me if I have misunderstood…

You paid his debts so that the house didn’t get used to pay them - you’re protecting the house that you co-own but don’t live in.

But why do that when you’ve already decided you’re not going to claim the house as half yours? This makes no sense

I do get that you might as well make the last 2 payments now. But can you reflect on the above and what do you think about it?

Wimpeyspread · 24/12/2022 12:33

I suggest you stop being a doormat, stand up for yourself, get a proper financial settlement and divorce. Your daughter might start to respect you

stillvicarinatutu · 29/12/2022 06:20

Well ! We had a fabulous Boxing Day . I've rung her several times since and we've chatted.

I got her some really nice personalised gifts which she loved .

And I'm not asking when I can ri g anymore- I just say I'm ringing at x time on x day and she answers!

I had such a lovely day with both kids Boxing Day it was magic .

And I've had one of the best Christmas ever with my best friend and neighbour, and her little girl . Seriously it's been fab.

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stillvicarinatutu · 29/12/2022 06:25

I don't think I've laughed so much in ages .

My little adopted niece (best mates girl) has been a delight and a source of constant hilarity

I've had a fabulous time with my lovely friend

I've not been lonely once

And had a fabulous day with my (adult) kids Boxing Day

I have had a fab time over Xmas . Spent the evening again with neighbour (best mate )

And we're going out nye . We've been together most nights for buffet food and a vino and just had a great time - and her dd has been a delight . Been a proper little poppet . Very loving and very appreciative of her gifts !

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nozbottheblue · 29/12/2022 06:33

I'm so glad you've had some really happy times! Well done for being so positive after the dark place you've been in. Flowers

stillvicarinatutu · 29/12/2022 06:37

Aww thank you noz ! Honestly I've had the best Xmas in years . It's been fab.

Feeling so much more positive. Who needs a man eh?

Had such a fab time with my lovely mate and her little lassie and seeing my kids together was so lovely since they live in different continents usually!

What I've realised is they do not need to know anything about dh /me . I need to concentrate on them when with them .

I've had the best Xmas in yonks . Loved it .

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ScrollingLeaves · 29/12/2022 09:14

How lovely for you.
That’s so good that you realised not to bring you and your DH up with your DC. The time with them is about them.

KnobbyKnobson · 31/12/2022 18:45

You're still talking about your weird surrogate neighbour family five times more than you are about your own kids. Make them the focus instead. They will sense your thoughts are elsewhere if you're not careful.

XmasElf10 · 31/12/2022 20:45

You don’t have to feel guilty. You were ALLOWED to leave the marriage. It made you unhappy, leaving was ok. Your DDis treating you badly as is your ex and you are allowing this. I think you should get some counselling to sort out why you are letting them walk all over you. The most sensible plan is the family home is sold so both you and exH can downsize and both afford a place… that is normal with divorce, you split what you have. I am saying this as a divorcee … sort out your guilt!

Lili132 · 31/12/2022 21:12

OP you sound like a people pleaser and unfortunately that's probably the reason why people around you don't respect you. Not because you did something horribly wrong.

The paradox of people pleasing is that it's actually very self serving. It comes from fear of losing people or not being liked. Not only it makes others respect you less but more importantly it doesn't come across as real caring.

Stop worrying about being rejected by your daughter. I mean I get that you can't just not think about it at all but that should not be at the centre of your relationship with her. Of course you want her in your life and communicating to her honestly that you don't want to lose her would be much more productive and mature way to deal with your fears rather then giving into her and apologising for everything over and over again.

If you want her to be vulnerable with you you need to show her you can be vulnerable with her. But also show her that your love is strong and that you're always there for her. And love also includes boundaries which you should not be afraid to set.

nozbottheblue · 06/01/2023 10:24

How are you doing today, OP? What are your plans for the New Year? Feel free to keep sharing your thoughts on here if it helps FlowersBrew

stillvicarinatutu · 06/01/2023 18:47

Things have been better- I saw both ds and dd today separately, saw ds for brekky as he's leaving the country again on Monday and saw dd for her lunch break .

Things seem better, I just don't talk about me at all . Dd was showing me the stuff they're getting for the house they're buying - she's doing way better than I ever did !

Not seen dh at all but get as for first time ever but he's moving on, as soon as the debts cleared this year I'm going to speak to a solicitor.
My kids now have more than me . I've realised I need to resolve things financially, I can't live like this forever .

I'm starting a new job too, in a location I'm far happier in , with nice people who are similarly minded .

Things may be better this year .
Went to new location for second time this week , had a laugh , felt wanted and valued , and I managed to gracefully accept some lovely compliments .

I'm feeling better about things .

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nozbottheblue · 06/01/2023 19:25

That sounds very positive Smile
Your new job will be a good thing as you are making a fresh start with new people and you can be who you want to be with them.
One step at a time with everything else when you are ready. You can talk to a solicitor at any time to start getting your thoughts organised re. divorce etc. Solicitors will often give a free initial half hour session which could help.
They've done all this before so are the experts at sorting out complicated situations. I know I felt so much better when I had a solicitor helping me to sort out my financial situation surrounding divorce.
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