@feindVicarInATutu
This is rubbish. [Snip] So there is no one size fits all .
I'm talking in generalities and trends. Yes, there are exceptions. That doesn't mean what I am saying is any less true. Roads are quiet at 5pm on Christmas day, that doesnt mean the statement 'roads get busy around 5pm' is untrue.
@Twistiewistie
your claiming a woman’s accomplishments make her less appealing
Didn't claim that at any point. That said, a womans accomplishments generally matter very little to men. This is why CEOs have an accomplished wife at home and end up knocking off the younger secretary who barely has 5 GCSEs.
If you want to claim that what you said is somehow not mysogynistic then you would have said that a man who had life together and IS financially successful would be in the same position but you didn’t , you compared a man who WASNT financially successful.
Misogynism is a hatred of women. It has very little to do with equality. I can state that the sexes aren't equal without being misogynistic. I can say that Football is a more skillful sport than Cricket (ie. unequal) without hating Cricket (or Football) or being prejudiced against either.
To be perfectly clear, a man in the same position (44, kids, financially successful) would have less problems attracting a mate than a woman would. Men care more about their partners age than women do.
There are plenty of women 40 plus without kids why specifiy late twenties :early thirties women . Do you thing youth is a woman’s primary asset or do you think womens life experience and other attributes are valuable ie see them as equals to men ?
Primary asset? No. But, the data is pretty clear on this. Men find early twenties women to be peak attractiveness. Men are primed to look for indicators of fertility. Biology doesn't respect your opinions, it just is.
I specified late twenties / early thirties because I acknowledge that such a man would also not be able to demand exactly what he wanted from the market due to his circumstances unless he was exceptional (Like Leo, obviously).
Your statement does sound mysogynistic because it implies women are more valuable at a younger age and that there accomplishments such as financial success mean nothing , whereas with men they mean they can ‘scorre’ a younger woman
I'm just describing the rules of the game. Women select for men who are physically fit, can acquire resources and have a, at least somewhat developed, set of social skills. Men select for beauty and fertility. Having what the other desires means you can demand something better in return.
What Nonsense all redpill talk
The redpill stuff does a pretty good job of describing the rules of the game and what both sexes are selecting for and the reasons for that. Where it and I diverge are on the correct responses to that information. The correct response for men, in my opinion, is to get to the gym, work hard to make yourself successful and develop some social skills to actually be a supportive and caring partner, not to call all women gold diggers and retreat in to the basement waiting for the sex robots. The incel community are pathetic because they whine about women selecting for height without realising that Jeff Bezos and/or Tom Holland dont seem to have a height issue.
The correct response for women is to realise that the standards they may have are literally unobtainable and shift to valuing potential as much as actuality; first time buyers getting a 'fixer-upper' rather than their 5 bedroom detached dream home. Again, female graduates generally want their partners to also be graduates, but there are only enough male graduates for 50% - 67% of them since female graduates outnumber men. However, I'm sure there are plenty of plumbers, builders and electricians that would make very good partners that these women are overlooking.
@frozendaisy
All this 40s men, 20s women. Load of balls. When I was a poor, graduated, 20s if a 35+ slimely rich dude wandered onto the dancefloor they were told to fuck right off because no matter how much fucking cash you have or gym sessions you do most (almost all) 40s men can't dance like a 20s.
In Wolf Of Wall Street, Di Caprio was 39, Robbie was 23. Not many people watched that movie and came away thinking 'How odd to match these two clearly age mismatched people on screen. Whoever thought a woman like Margot Robbie would go for a slimey rich dude like Leo in real life.' Not just them too. Bradley Cooper / Jennifer Lawrence 15 years apart. Chris Pratt / Jennifer Lawrence - 11 years. Not just portrayals too; Ryan Reynolds / Blake Lively 11 years - Jay Z / Beyonce 12. There are some pretty hilarious graphs around Hollywood, not just the age of Leo's current girlfriend chart, but also the age of female romantic leads opposite male romantic leads as the male ages.
In other news, check the attached image for desirability of the different sexes by age.
Don't you think it's odd if a 44 year old man hasn't, but wants kids, had them by then?
Depends. People are starting families later, mainly for what I think are economic reasons. There was a march against childcare costs at the weekend in addition to the ridiculous house, rent, energy and transport prices. Data shows that age gaps in relationships are bigger on average in poorer countries, primarily because the pragmatic ability to acquire resources is more important in such countries and it takes longer for men to become financially stable.
@Xaviera
Dating doesn’t begin and end with what you have on paper. Chemistry is key to any match. And that isn’t quantifiable on paper.
I completely agree. I think if women actually gave half these men a chance rather than evaluating them against an unrealistic tick list, they would end up in very fulfilling relationships. That's how things used to be; you met someone locally and evaluated them face to face. Now you can swipe right and get your attention from someone who ticks all your boxes. Of course, the guy that ticks your boxes is also ticking most other womens boxes and because of that has no intention of committing to you. Which leads to everyone, apart from a select group of men at the top and an even smaller number of women at the top of the tree getting what they want.
Its worth making it explicitly clear that successful attractive men are doing very, very well out of the current dating market conditions. All eyes on you and feminists telling women they can sleep around in their twenties with no repercussions means access to as much sex as you want and no necessity to commit. Unfortunately, its at everyone else's expense.
@ArcticSkewer
This was also my experience and every other woman I knew in my 20s. Who dated an old bloke? Noone I knew for sure! Some poor bint with zero self esteem and no career options, maybe, but I didn't hang out with those types either.
My experience has been the opposite of yours. A family member is an ex athlete, now businessman, multi-millionnaire who now lives in Dubai. He was with his childhood sweetheart until 30, then divorced her to marry a model. When he hit his early forties, he divorced her and married a beautiful 24 year old Law graduate from a very good (UK) university. That's hardly a woman with no self esteem and no career options.
I've seen many male friends and family members 'trade in' partners many times during my life. Its rarely for an older version.
@KettrickenSmiled
Yeah, The reason is that good men value good women for more than being "stunningly attractive".
Women can be both stunningly attractive and plenty of other things too. These traits aren't mutually exclusive.
But if a man is in demand from many women, and therefore has choice, why would he not select the woman who is 'stunningly attractive' AND sweet, kind, supportive etc...
@PickledRat
Well, that’s a given. Over 90% of the prison population is male. Any woman OLD has to be aware that it is a risk to meet an unknown man and take sensible precautions.
There's actually a very small difference in disagreeableness etc between men and women on average. Way under one standard deviation if I remember correctly. Almost negligible.
However, the way overlapping normal distributions work is that small differences in the mean will produce outsized results at the tails since we are looking at proportional representation of the relative areas under the curve. So, its basic statistics to say that (1) men are only marginally more disagreeable than women on average and (2) because of 1, we expect the vast majority of violent outliers (rapists, murderers etc) to be men. Hence why you have 90% of the prison population being male.
However, (2) is not evidence that the mean difference has to be substantial. It isn't. Think of it like this, mean are on average about 5% taller than women, but go and get the 100 tallest people in the world and I guarantee that the vast majority will be male.
@Twistiewistie
lol that quite funny . Would you like to present you ‘research ‘ that you claim … don’t just say it . Show it with data from actually science and people who study such things
Above is your science. Maths actually. I have an MSc in Statistics.
@ArcticSkewer
I don't know why women bother trying to get more out of it, men don't have more to offer really.
Misandrist. Imagine the reaction if a man posted the reverse of that.
I don't think thats a commonly held opinion judging by many of these responses.
@Xaviera
This thread has become ridiculous with certain posters suggesting that the OP should be happy with someone drunk dialing her because she’s in her 40s.
Absolutely not the contention at all. The opposite in fact. I would be interested for OP to come back and comment further.