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Anyone finding their feet after marriage ended?

643 replies

Chocolatepencil · 05/10/2022 10:41

Hello, just thought I’d see if anyone is still relatively new in finding their feet after their marriage ended?

The separation from him was fairly easy to deal with as it had got toxic but the breakdown of my family unit is something I’ve struggled with - although getting there - and looking forward to Christmas!

Any one care to join a thread about it? ☕

OP posts:
threeandmeandthedog · 10/01/2023 22:13

My ring belonged to my mum and it’s very sentimental to me- I am going to get it melted down and made into new rings for each of my daughters.

bethatgirl · 10/01/2023 22:20

That's a good idea @Emptyinsidetothecore. I'll be selling mine and buying myself a nice new ring 😂

I'm struggling with the absolute betrayal at the mo. Was feeling really strong a week ago and now missing him and my life before 😔

How do I see my private messages on here? Someone sent me one ages ago and I couldn't work out how to see it.

Nelly10 · 10/01/2023 22:56

Definitely correct this !

rockingbird · 10/01/2023 23:02

I put mine in a little pot.. still in the house I believe. Means nothing to me just like the vows that meant nothing to him. He refused to take off his wedding ring for some time.. months before I left mine was off, all he kept saying was when you are gone I'll take it off. The irony of this is all the while he was working away his wedding ring was off and he was fucking all sorts. Putting it back on when he came home. Heartless, calculated thing to do. I've decided I need to bin the dress, currently in storage (hopefully with my marriage certificate) under lock and key - I have no access to the storage facility and have to ask and be accompanied by him to gain access. There a box in there with wedding album/ dress etc. I took all the wedding photos down in the house years ago as I could bear to look at them. As you can tell I still have the angry streak in me 🤦‍♀️

Coolheadedbird · 10/01/2023 23:03

Nelly10 · 10/01/2023 09:35

Does anyone have any tips to try and deal with the absolute betrayal or is it just a time thing?
Together nearly 20 years, 2DCs, two long standing affairs (that I know of), blames me got married too young blah blah

I think your best bet is selective memory. Only remember the things that were good. Do not think about the rest.

Try and be independent of all of his actions. Do not let him live rent free inside your head.

If you are still with him it sucks but it does not mean you will always have to be. Calculate a good time to leave. And to get the most of it financially. Relish in the fact he does not know your plans. But that way you know you are not putting up with anything but can make plans of yr own.

The mind is like the dishes. Too much reminiscing on the negative is bad for You. Don’t give him the power. Wash the dishes. Get rid of thoughts of him. Focus on the very present.

FreshStartNewLife · 10/01/2023 23:54

Hello all. I hope it's ok to join the thread. We've had such a turbulent few years. Ex-H walked out at Christmas when my children were babies. I remember at the time just wishing he'd come home. But as the months passed the appalling things he had done that I had no idea about gradually came to light: multiple affairs, so many lies, running up tens of thousands of pounds of gambling debt without my knowledge.

I found a wonderful nanny and nursery, went back from my maternity leave when my babies were still 6 months old, and carried on somehow. I made sure I facilitated him having a relationship with them, even allowed him having contact at my house as they were still breastfeeding.

Divorced him, moved to a new house, but kept everything amicable. We were co-parenting well. His parenting improved, I thought. Things were stable.

Then he destroyed everything. He did something criminal which means he can never see the children again. He was arrested in my house, in front of them. Even after all he'd done to me, I never dreamed he'd do anything this horrific. It's terrifying to think - when I was so careful about who I married, and lived with him for years before doing so, and waited several years after marriage before children also - that I had no idea who he was. It was all a lie, a false persona. That he kept up for 15 years.

My children are too young to understand why they can't see him now. But old enough to have built a relationship with him before that, and feel abandoned and traumatised by it because I can't explain to them properly. In the end me trying to facilitate a good relationship between them and their father did more harm than good. But I try not to beat myself up about that because I was trying to put them first. We can only make decisions with the information we have at the time and that's so important to remember.

It's felt like every time I get things stable and think he can't do anything worse he drops another bomb in our lives. But no more. Since his arrest and the subsequent revelations I've lone parented my children entirely for two years (never had any family help at all). They will start primary school this year. Sadly everything I'd hoped to gain from reduced childcare bills will be sucked up by the gas bill! 🤣 But perhaps in time I will have more energy to look for a new job as all of this has stalled any attempt at career progression over the last few years.

My children also both have SEN so I've also been fighting for diagnoses, fighting for help for them, fighting for trauma therapy for them. Dealing with the SS investigation their father's actions inflicted on us. The divorce (which I had to pay for because he's gambled all his money). All on top of a very demanding full time job.

I feel so angry for the damage he's done, I can't take that away from my children no matter what I do. And I'm angry that I've spent almost all of my children's early lives firefighting the disasters and trauma he's created instead of being present with my children and enjoying them being small. I've not been able to be the parent I want to, always busy and rushing around without enough time spent just laughing and playing with them.

But we've carried on, through everything he's inflicted on us. And we're free now and so much happier now. I am hoping the worst of our storm has passed and this year can be a fresh start. I hope it is for all of you as well.

FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 00:04

Rings and wedding dress etc still in boxes in the back of my wardrobe. Hadn't given them any thought until read this, it's just not been a priority. I'll worry about that much later I think. Wedding photos also still buried in a draw somewhere. Ditto. I will pretend they don't exist until I'm ready to deal with that. My focus for this year is on doing fun stuff with my children and trying to find some balance again. To laugh more, join in their funny games, take them on holidays or trips, plant things in the garden.

limerentidiot · 11/01/2023 02:20

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FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 03:39

@limerentidiot that sounds really difficult. Really difficult. Keep your eyes on the prize: freedom! I hope you can find a way to work through the finances and escape. You'll never look back.

I think things have moved on from Sartre’s 20th century “God is Dead” to a 21st century “men are obsolete”. Grin

I’ve got my own career, I have my own house, I’ve raised my children on my own. The only thing that might convince me to even consider having sex with a man again would be a zombie apocalypse entailing a permanent cut-off of the electricity grid and supply of batteries, meaning that my sex toys - which are far more efficient and less annoying than a man - ceased to work.

Living with one? Not a chance. You will escape. And you will be so much happier for it.

Sure, I have no objection to men being around, if they must: doing some housework or working in menial jobs. As long as they do it quietly, without whinging. They should keep their traps shut and make more effort to look attractive to brighten the place up a bit, and not interfere in things or get in a tizzy about stuff they don’t really understand. 😊

threeandmeandthedog · 11/01/2023 07:30

@FreshStartNewLife your last post made me ‘LOL’ as the kids say 😂 My ex said I emasculated him. Through having a successful career, being the main breadwinner, being financially independent and capable of running my life and the kid’s lives without much of his input. His laziness and lack of initiative became my fault. Very convenient!

You sound very strong and an amazing woman and mother! What a situation, wishing you the best for 2023. You too @limerentidiot . I think we need to remember that we are all doing the best we can in any situation-and that is enough.

isthistheendtakeabreath · 11/01/2023 08:39

Thanks all. I don't think it's worth as much as he made out - the engagement ring - but jewellery for the kids and I seems like a good idea. Unless the boiler goes or something and then it will have to go on that. "Porning" then sounds so seedy so I think I'll go to a jewellers?

My wedding dress I'll probably donate. Photos I took down the day he moved out and just put a photo in eldest room but in a place I can't see it every time I go in there. Wedding album I'll just save for the kids in case they want to see it one day

I have such conflicting feelings about keeping anything. He didn't cheat on me, wasn't violent or abusive. He specifically stated our children as his reasons for going. Which I think is harder to bear then perhaps infidelity? I don't know? I think I'd find it easier to bear if he didn't love me - it happens - but to not love our children is just something I've never come across? He wants to see them but not parent them. There has been no slow burn to hatred, no growing apart, no arguments leading up to the day he walked out. He simply announced he regretted our (planned) children and that was that.

I think at some point I may need therapy for that

@FreshStartNewLife gosh that sounds horrific. But you have good goals for 2023 in terms of doing things with your children. I'm going to do that too - try and have more patience - which is hard when you're 24/7 exhausted parenting year old twins and a primary ager, definitely join in the funny games instead of worrying about what is done/not done in the house. And making family memories just the 4 of us x

Always4Brenner · 11/01/2023 09:38

My rings cost a £100 so worthless now in money but it’s a good hands off signal to anyone.

FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 10:52

threeandmeandthedog · 11/01/2023 07:30

@FreshStartNewLife your last post made me ‘LOL’ as the kids say 😂 My ex said I emasculated him. Through having a successful career, being the main breadwinner, being financially independent and capable of running my life and the kid’s lives without much of his input. His laziness and lack of initiative became my fault. Very convenient!

You sound very strong and an amazing woman and mother! What a situation, wishing you the best for 2023. You too @limerentidiot . I think we need to remember that we are all doing the best we can in any situation-and that is enough.

How dare you be a competent adult? Glad you got rid of the dead wood, so to speak. 😉

FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 11:03

Always4Brenner · 11/01/2023 09:38

My rings cost a £100 so worthless now in money but it’s a good hands off signal to anyone.

Yes, a symbolic act of "goodbye, loser!" 😁

FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 11:13

isthistheendtakeabreath · 11/01/2023 08:39

Thanks all. I don't think it's worth as much as he made out - the engagement ring - but jewellery for the kids and I seems like a good idea. Unless the boiler goes or something and then it will have to go on that. "Porning" then sounds so seedy so I think I'll go to a jewellers?

My wedding dress I'll probably donate. Photos I took down the day he moved out and just put a photo in eldest room but in a place I can't see it every time I go in there. Wedding album I'll just save for the kids in case they want to see it one day

I have such conflicting feelings about keeping anything. He didn't cheat on me, wasn't violent or abusive. He specifically stated our children as his reasons for going. Which I think is harder to bear then perhaps infidelity? I don't know? I think I'd find it easier to bear if he didn't love me - it happens - but to not love our children is just something I've never come across? He wants to see them but not parent them. There has been no slow burn to hatred, no growing apart, no arguments leading up to the day he walked out. He simply announced he regretted our (planned) children and that was that.

I think at some point I may need therapy for that

@FreshStartNewLife gosh that sounds horrific. But you have good goals for 2023 in terms of doing things with your children. I'm going to do that too - try and have more patience - which is hard when you're 24/7 exhausted parenting year old twins and a primary ager, definitely join in the funny games instead of worrying about what is done/not done in the house. And making family memories just the 4 of us x

I think that's the best way, focus on what will make you happy now. You can't change what's happened but the future is whatever you decide to make it.

FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 11:15

And @isthistheendtakeabreath it is SO hard to be patient when you're exhausted. But give yourself a lot of credit for what you're managing: twins is hard enough work but twins plus an older one, too! Hats off to you.

threeandmeandthedog · 11/01/2023 20:04

Emptyinsidetothecore · 10/01/2023 21:55

I watched something on TikTok the other day and the analogy made me go, yes… that! It’s not a tip as such, but it was validation of what I was feeling. Link: vm.tiktok.com/ZMFEHTAuD/

To summarise it says:

Betrayal trauma is like being pushed out of a plane before you’re ready, without a parachute. As you’re falling, you look up and your partner is watching you; falling and smiling whilst flying the plane. They’re watching you hit the ground and break every bone in your body. Miraculously you survived. You don’t feel lucky. He didn’t come back to apologise or to check if you’re ok, he carried on flying the plane, and picked someone up along the way. It wasn’t just your bones that shattered that day, but your self worth, your trust, your safety, your truth - you don’t understand love any more, you’ve met evil and it killed a part of you before you were ready to die.

This metaphor resonates and I would extend it by saying the pilot has no idea what he is doing and is probably going to crash the plane anayway.

FreshStartNewLife · 11/01/2023 20:22

That's karma for you! 😁

Nelly10 · 11/01/2023 22:16

Very very true!

Lieslies · 11/01/2023 22:21

Ooh I like that analogy. In my case the fucker picked up his passenger then circled back over me a couple of times to shout 'I still love you, I'm worried about you' at me, before flying over the horizon.

3 months for me. The hurt is reducing but I'm still furious. If I'm not careful I get stuck in loops of obsessing for days. I've found the best thing is to keep busy and make the most of any opportunity to get out there and do what I enjoy, and to hunt out new experiences.

I've registered to volunteer as a festivals steward through Oxfam, which means doing some work in exchange for festival entry and some perks. I'm hoping to go to two. I used to love going to festivals, haven't been for years, this sounds good for my reduced budget, and also sounds like a nice community if volunteers to be with.

ThePredictableScript · 11/01/2023 22:27

XH just came round to pick up a spare tv.. told me more lies over some stuff so I put on Fleetwood Macs, Sweet Little Lies and started dancing around, he said "why you trying to wind me up?" I said "I'm not even playing any music or dancing, what you on about?" Haha. Probably not a normal or mature thing to do but who cares. His lies are no longer my problem! I'm freeeee. Still feeling good since finding out hes started filling his new house with furniture. Can't believe it as thought I'd be crushed. Instead I think "you fuckin idiot" and feel thankful to be free. @EmptyInsidetothecore love that tiktok analogy video. So true! But then us women, the ones carrying the marriage, get all our energy back, heal, find ourselves and become 100x happier 😊

Stayingstrongish · 12/01/2023 05:06

@ThePredictableScript he he that sounds so much fun, I can just imagine you dancing away!

Always4Brenner · 12/01/2023 09:36

Girls on film 1984 live version is my dance song well I know sit on sofa and bounce and Smalltown boy that song has got me through all sorts. I know I’m different here I caused the break up but I had to leave I’d been unhappy for years and I got scammed yes I’ll be slated but I’m not saying sorry for the rest of my life. It had to happen this way so I could validate leaving. He’d wore me down emotionally you’ve seen me in my darkest days now I’m happy the happiest I’ve been for years. Luckily dwp have finally realised he can’t work medical reason my etc so I’m very pleased about that. He still phones once a week about bill advice. He knows now I won’t put up with snappiness. I wish and hope all of you here find the happiness and luck you deserve group hug❤️❤️❤️❤️

threeandmeandthedog · 12/01/2023 09:58

@Always4Brenner well done for calling time on a relationship which didn’t make you happy. It takes a lot of strength to do that.

Bloody great song choice by the way! Smalltown Boy is one of my faves.

Always4Brenner · 12/01/2023 10:01

threeandmeandthedog · 12/01/2023 09:58

@Always4Brenner well done for calling time on a relationship which didn’t make you happy. It takes a lot of strength to do that.

Bloody great song choice by the way! Smalltown Boy is one of my faves.

Thank you that means a lot to me everyone I know has supported me and even the residents here have seen me grow in confidence and happiness.