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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Trigger Warning- sexual assault/spousal abuse

318 replies

ELL2478 · 14/08/2022 11:55

Trigger warning- sexual assault/spousal abuse

I posted on the forum last night about my husband having sex with me while i was asleep and his attitude indicating he thought he'd done nothing wrong. I seemed to have upset a lot of people however and had my account reported as a troll and deleted twice. I apologise for not leaving a trigger warning and am mortified that Iv upset people. Iv been debating posting on here for months because of this particular problem and can't believe how bad it went. So sorry again!

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ELL2478 · 17/08/2022 21:35

Evening everybody. I had a live webchat with a lovely lady from the national domestic abuse helpline. I said mostly what i have posted on here regarding the sex in sleep, his ex, money etc. She was very sure that it was abuse and even mentioned the 'r' word. She kindly advised me to take the time to process it all and guided me towards more help if needed.

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Dullardmullard · 17/08/2022 21:54

ELL2478 · 17/08/2022 21:35

Evening everybody. I had a live webchat with a lovely lady from the national domestic abuse helpline. I said mostly what i have posted on here regarding the sex in sleep, his ex, money etc. She was very sure that it was abuse and even mentioned the 'r' word. She kindly advised me to take the time to process it all and guided me towards more help if needed.

you’ve made that step that first step well done as it’s bloody hard to do.

Has she said for you to report it. Has she said it can go on record but no charges till your ready. Not sure if that’s a thing or they press ahead these days with charges

have the said about refuge to go to when ready?
have they also said to phone when you need to?

ELL2478 · 17/08/2022 22:44

No she didn't say any of those things. She told me there are support workers in my area apparantly.

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nocoolnamesleft · 17/08/2022 23:07

Oh well done, that's such an important step.

wellhelloitsme · 17/08/2022 23:49

Brilliant news OP, massive well done for taking that step for you and your childrens' futures.

You should be proud of doing so. Please do keep following through on focusing on the rest of your life free of this man Flowers

picklemewalnuts · 18/08/2022 07:02

Well done! Brava!

I'm sure you're still reeling. I'm really glad you've had a successful chat with someone. It will give you some confidence that when you need them, you can get hold of them again.

Hardest bit's done now.

JulesCobb · 18/08/2022 07:23

ELL2478 · 14/08/2022 19:56

I actually only read about 4 posts the second time i came back. Then my husband came to bed so I had to sign off. So i dont even know what happened or what people were arguing about!! This morning i found my account had been deleted again because I was again reported as a troll. Admins corrected it though and said they jumped the gun so fair play to them.

I was on both threads. Admin describing it as jumping the gun really downplays their failure there. The thread ‘got out of hand’ because night watch wasnt dealing with the repeatedly reported rape apologists. Nothing you put on that thread was the issue. It was a disgusting poster being a troll. They should have been banned immediately. The first thread could just have had a trigger warning added. None of that was your fault.

he is abusive, physically, sexually and financially and quite clearly emotionally too in the way you are afraid to talk to him, and you need to speak to Women’s Aid.

JulesCobb · 18/08/2022 07:31

Massive apologies! I missed a few pages sorry. Well done for making contact.

Bourbanbiscuit · 18/08/2022 08:07

You should be so proud of yourself, that's a huge step. Take time to adjust to everything and consider what you want to do next. If you feel safe, give yourself breathing space, you have had a lot to take on. Sending love xx

TheHideAndSeekingHill · 18/08/2022 11:45

Well done! that's amazing

How are you feeling today? Probably a bit overwhelmed?

ELL2478 · 18/08/2022 11:51

JulesCobb · 18/08/2022 07:23

I was on both threads. Admin describing it as jumping the gun really downplays their failure there. The thread ‘got out of hand’ because night watch wasnt dealing with the repeatedly reported rape apologists. Nothing you put on that thread was the issue. It was a disgusting poster being a troll. They should have been banned immediately. The first thread could just have had a trigger warning added. None of that was your fault.

he is abusive, physically, sexually and financially and quite clearly emotionally too in the way you are afraid to talk to him, and you need to speak to Women’s Aid.

Yer it did really upset me tbh. The very first post though accused me of being a troll which i didnt understand. I only saw one most of saying its ok to have sex with someone in their sleep if its agreed beforehand and she does it with her partner.

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ELL2478 · 18/08/2022 11:53

TheHideAndSeekingHill · 18/08/2022 11:45

Well done! that's amazing

How are you feeling today? Probably a bit overwhelmed?

Yes a bit overwhelmed and still confused. Its our anniversary in two weeks just before we move and i recieved a card today from his mum so felt a bit guilty.

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JulesCobb · 18/08/2022 12:08

ELL2478 · 18/08/2022 11:51

Yer it did really upset me tbh. The very first post though accused me of being a troll which i didnt understand. I only saw one most of saying its ok to have sex with someone in their sleep if its agreed beforehand and she does it with her partner.

Yes it was that poster who continued to behave in an appalling way. Because she had stated she does this to her husband i think she might have felt she had to go on and on and on justifying it, maybe even to herself, so she didn't feel ‘rapey’. Which she was called. It was awful. You were clearly very distressed, it had just happened, you had minutes while he was downstairs, yet this poster’s actions had the thread shut down with constant rape apologist language.

the first thread could have been dealt with by a trigger warning. I think the problem is timings of the post and that it was down to night watch to make the decisions. Dont take it personally.

Prunel · 18/08/2022 12:47

Well done op
you should be really proud of yourself

Fairislefandango · 18/08/2022 12:47

Oh well done, OP! You were very, very brave to seek help. You have taken a first step towards looking after yourself and treating your safety, happiness and worth as though they are important and achievable. Flowers

TheOriginalClownfish · 18/08/2022 13:08

ELL2478 · 18/08/2022 11:53

Yes a bit overwhelmed and still confused. Its our anniversary in two weeks just before we move and i recieved a card today from his mum so felt a bit guilty.

Those feelings are entirely normal. I found it difficult to square the abuser that everyone told me he was, with the nice parts of him.

You have nothing to feel guilty for. For any relationship to thrive, it needs both people making the effort. If one's actions are actively sabotaging rather than feeding the relationship, the other can do nothing to fix that.

Howtofeelnow · 22/08/2022 19:44

What part of the country are you in @ELL2478 I so hope you’re ok xx

Caroffee · 22/08/2022 20:26

ELL2478 · 14/08/2022 12:54

Hi there. Thank you for your reply. I didn't see many messages last night but was informed it got out of hand so I apologise again. Its not happening often like every night. Wev been together for 6 years married for 4 nearly. But since my son was born 19 months ago it's been happening more frequently. The thing is when it's happened and Iv woken up I havent stopped it but have just laid there because I don't want to cause a scene (I know this sounds stupid). When Iv mentioned he shouldn't do it because Im asleep he turns it into a joke and says stuff like 'do i need to sign or contract,' or 'are u telling me I need consent from my wife.' Sometimes he backtracks and says he can't remember but last time it happened he said it was like 'f*ing a corpse' and I 'should be proud'.
I am safe tho yes he has never laid a finger on me

Yes, he does need consent each and every time. The fact that you are his wife makes no difference to that basic fact. He does not own you and we are not living in Medieval times when men had 'conjugal rights' tf. It's rape. Please find the strength to leave him. Go to Women's Aid if necessary.

Caroffee · 22/08/2022 20:32

ELL2478 · 14/08/2022 14:40

I know people will say I should leave but I would feel guilty doing that in way, because he is actually really caring and showers me with compliments, keeps a roof over my head and food on the table. And I know he would be crushed if I left him. It sounds silly I know but in a way Im so frightened of hurting or disappointing him. He was married before and long story short we all work in the same (big) building and I have heard whispers from other people that his wife accused him of being controlling. I also know she recently attempted suicide and in hospital mentioned him as though he was a reason. But he says she was manipulative and it does seem she has some mental health issues TBH, which isn't her fault.

Please, please take this is a warning or you could very well end up feeling like his ex-wife. He IS controlling. Even the compliments and making you feel guilty are all forms of control.

Caroffee · 22/08/2022 20:40

ELL2478 · 17/08/2022 21:35

Evening everybody. I had a live webchat with a lovely lady from the national domestic abuse helpline. I said mostly what i have posted on here regarding the sex in sleep, his ex, money etc. She was very sure that it was abuse and even mentioned the 'r' word. She kindly advised me to take the time to process it all and guided me towards more help if needed.

Well done. You've taken the first step. You've heard somebody who deals with this sort of thing constantly categorise it as abuse. I hope that will help to move your thinking on and then you can act from here.

Btw he doesn't stop you seeing people because as you've said yourself, your family all like him (they fall for the superficial charm he displays which is an act) and you only have two friends who are too inexperienced with relationships to be able to advise you.

ELL2478 · 23/08/2022 13:52

Howtofeelnow · 22/08/2022 19:44

What part of the country are you in @ELL2478 I so hope you’re ok xx

@Howtofeelnow north yorkshire x

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ELL2478 · 23/08/2022 13:57

Thank you being so kind still to post on this thread! Nothing drastic has happened these past few days. Me and OH have been tired and stressed with moving house and hasn't done anything untoward. If anything he is more loving because he suspects im a bit down. Its very confusing and i have to admit i do feel guilty about speaking bad of him and questioning his motives. But i will keep what has been said at the forefront of my mind and watch and wait i guess.

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wellhelloitsme · 23/08/2022 15:37

He's being more loving right now because he's a textbook abuser and it's part of the cycle that keeps victims in an abusive relationship.

Flowers
Trigger Warning- sexual assault/spousal abuse
Valeriekat · 24/08/2022 00:22

ELL2478 · 16/08/2022 17:51

Please dont keep bringing my children into this and insinuating im not putting them first. Its not easy hearing all these replies and coming to terms with the fact my husband may have a nasty side. I know full well what an abusive household is like i grew up in one my dad was far worse. You do not understand the implications if I were just to leave.

If he is doing this to you when your children are in the room it is child abuse.
If he is doing this to you when your children aren't in the room it is disgusting and not normal at all. he is showing you that he owns your body.

ELL2478 · 24/08/2022 10:16

Valeriekat · 24/08/2022 00:22

If he is doing this to you when your children are in the room it is child abuse.
If he is doing this to you when your children aren't in the room it is disgusting and not normal at all. he is showing you that he owns your body.

Nothing sexual happens in front of my children i can assure you of that

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