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Do men not want to date women in their late 30s?

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onlinedatingsucks · 21/07/2022 14:23

I am on a dating app - and I get one like a day. It has been years and years since I dated and I used to get so much more interest. Is it my age?

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hotcoldnotsold · 27/07/2022 20:18

@pixie5121 You post some of the angriest, most disparaging, vindictive observations and comments of people. You posted on someone else's thread here just to be catty and rude about some poor woman who's only crime is dating your ex bf. Not a lot of empathy for her, or him. I only responded because you were speaking as if your very negative experience of London and dating is the only relevant one. As your peer, you can see my experience is completely different. You can't claim that men only want dramatic/bitchy women, or it's impossible to live a great life on a single wage, and not expect a response from someone in your exact dating pool challenging that sentiment.

You have nothing nice to say about men, claim the only reason you want them is to help you live a better life, and then blame them for not wanting to date you. You don't see the problem with this attitude? Every obstacle you face is because men are rubbish, or society is rubbish, OLD is rubbish, or other women are rubbish, or London is rubbish. If you have had so many problems, then you know that is why things are not as easy for you as others. Why would you not just accept that your journey is different, and not be so angry and jealous all the time? Just be kind to yourself. Expressing a whole bunch of anger at internet strangers won't change circumstances for you. But maybe if you learn to sit with uncomfortable feelings and not lash out at anyone who doesn't share them, everything will feel easier.

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 27/07/2022 20:21

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Ah well at 34 I was mortgage free with a great business.
Boom found out she had an affair.
Lost my home, lost my business, and was humiliated by the affair.
One has to carry on.

RainCloud · 27/07/2022 20:31

@pixie5121 is just writing about her lived experience. There is nothing wrong with that. Dating in your early 40s (in my case) is soul destroying.

hotcoldnotsold · 27/07/2022 20:35

@pixie5121 And I hate trauma top trumps but I grew up with my family chased out of our home during a civil war. My mum's workplace was blown up. I was brutally raped my first year in London by someone I thought was a friend and became a missing person for a few days when he wouldn't let me leave. Despite that I don't carry anger, or resentment towards men and the world. I do think a lot of people have been through tragedy and obstacles they never speak of. Especially in London with such a large population of people from different places and backgrounds. It's just life, and I make the most of it. I can't even fathom spending it as angry at everything as you.

pixie5121 · 27/07/2022 20:51

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YesJess · 27/07/2022 20:59

Not read the whole thread but know quite a few women who've met men online in their late 30s. What App are you using?

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hotcoldnotsold · 27/07/2022 21:17

Perhaps if you're going to drag other threads into this one, which is a thing only nasty, rotten vindictive people do, you could at least get your facts right.

It was actually this thread that you mentioned her on. How many threads do you discuss her on that you've forgotten? That's probably evidence if needed that you need to step away from MN because you're imploding. I won't bother reporting your extremely aggressive and abusive post as it should stay up for posterity.

pixie5121 · 27/07/2022 21:29

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Hrpuffnstuff1 · 27/07/2022 22:31

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😂
It's to illustrate that you are not the only one with a cross to bear.
Woosh.

pixie5121 · 27/07/2022 23:00

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SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 04:50

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Until it isn't.

Don't underestimate the value of freedom and knowing nobody can screw up your life or force you to sell your home.

SheeplessAndCounting · 28/07/2022 05:00

What would happen if I wanted to break up? Then I'd break up. How, exactly, would I be any worse off than I am now?

Acknowledging that life would be much easier and cheaper with the benefit of a partner isn't 'depending' on someone else. If you think lots of people in London aren't motivated to find relationships at least partly for financial reasons, you're in cloud cuckoo land.

As I said, I'm one of the lucky ones, who earns enough to live alone in a nice flat. I suppose you think single nurses, for example, should just suck up being poor? Screw them, right? It's their own silly fault for choosing a low-paid job?

I can't work out if you are serious? Of course people who break up suffer financially. Divorce costs, moving costs, often losing their homes etc. In many ways it's far wiser not to be financially entangled with a partner. SO many times we see here people posting about being "stuck" in miserable relationships they feel they can't leave because of finances, shared homes etc. Much wiser to keep your independence and then you know you and any relationship partner are only seeing each other when you want to and because you want to. Easy to disentangle yourself if it stops being fulfilling. Hence why so many women have been through the mill of marriage and divorce decide never to live with a man again. Who said anything about screwing nurses? Sure, if that's what you're into then go ahead but not really relevant!

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/07/2022 07:26

pixie5121

i read you are autistic . My son was diagnosed last year . Interesting times for us shall we say !

I think that whilst you have a certain set of challenges , it’s always worth acknowledging that everyone has a different life experience

its really not black and white

so not everyone benefits from having a partner .
Ironically myself and close friend ( also asd) found that we both attracted asd or LD
men who can’t , or don’t earn ! or are somewhat unable

so her current and my ex met us and basically stopped , relaxed as as we both take care of things ( house food MONEY)

so I’m actually way better off now we split

I’ve said this before but I genuinely question how much these hostile interactions on MN benefit your well-being
I suspect they maybe don’t

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Maddogsandtoplessenglishmen · 28/07/2022 12:02

There is nothing wrong with choosing to live without a man/partner and keep your independence if you are in a position to do so, it is absolutely the route I would take if I were divorced/widowed. But I am a reasonable earner with a fair amount of capital in our house living in a cheaper area of the country.

But given, in the UK we live in a country where historically people have married for security as much as, or more than, romance, and we have a government that financially benefits couples over single people, and an economy that makes it very difficult to fund a house and family on a single income, what @pixie5121 is saying is not really as off the wall as all that.

Yes if I get divorced I will be financially worse off than I am now because of paying divorce costs etc. But the reality is if I hadn't been married for 12 years I wouldn't even be on the housing ladder at this point and I certainly wouldn't be in the financial position I am now. So the financial benefits of my 12 year relationship significantly outweigh the costs of getting divorced, so I wouldn't have been better off staying single, purely from a financial aspect, and that's with both of us being in the 30-40k salary bracket so not MN 6 figure salaries.

@pixie5121 is not saying she wants a partner so she can give up work and her independence. If I have read her right she is saying that a partner adds to her financial comfort and she adds to his/hers but they both retain their independence and ability to walk away if necessary. Seems like a perfectly normal life decision/direction to me.

Musttryharder2021 · 28/07/2022 13:12

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I agree with your points @pixie5121 , but will say that you discount those who have family support and who will be single but with family help (the bank of mum and dad) and especially in cheaper parts of the country were able to purchase a property alone. They are in the minority of course but skew the figures somewhat when discussing single Vs partnered paradigm.

"I think a lot of people completely downplay and disregard the fact that having bought with a partner has increased their wealth, even when the relationship didn't work out." And yes, this has been my experience too and refuse to acknowledge the huge advantage they had when starting out single Vs someone who has been single and trying to get on the property ladder alone.

hotcoldnotsold · 28/07/2022 13:59

Maddogsandtoplessenglishmen · 28/07/2022 12:02

There is nothing wrong with choosing to live without a man/partner and keep your independence if you are in a position to do so, it is absolutely the route I would take if I were divorced/widowed. But I am a reasonable earner with a fair amount of capital in our house living in a cheaper area of the country.

But given, in the UK we live in a country where historically people have married for security as much as, or more than, romance, and we have a government that financially benefits couples over single people, and an economy that makes it very difficult to fund a house and family on a single income, what @pixie5121 is saying is not really as off the wall as all that.

Yes if I get divorced I will be financially worse off than I am now because of paying divorce costs etc. But the reality is if I hadn't been married for 12 years I wouldn't even be on the housing ladder at this point and I certainly wouldn't be in the financial position I am now. So the financial benefits of my 12 year relationship significantly outweigh the costs of getting divorced, so I wouldn't have been better off staying single, purely from a financial aspect, and that's with both of us being in the 30-40k salary bracket so not MN 6 figure salaries.

@pixie5121 is not saying she wants a partner so she can give up work and her independence. If I have read her right she is saying that a partner adds to her financial comfort and she adds to his/hers but they both retain their independence and ability to walk away if necessary. Seems like a perfectly normal life decision/direction to me.

No one is debating whether having a relationship makes life easier or not - of course it does. However, when you're dating and trying to get someone to committ to you, your approach and how you come across matters most. So while people here might prioritise practical applications of a relationship over the warm, fuzzy stuff like love – how does that attitude come across to your date in real life? Because I imagine no one is that good a faker that their real motivations don’t show eventually. I believe that most decent men (and I can only speak for them as I date men) want someone who makes them feel good, loved and whom they fancy like mad. They're not as analytical as women, they do prioritise things like attraction and how they feel in your presence. Do they feel relaxed and cared about, like they can be themselves, or on edge and restless. Does the woman feel like home, is one I've heard my male friends mention a lot. Hence the mail order bride industry, not mail order groom, and why men seem to care less about a woman’s earnings.

So what a lot of men want is to fall in love. Love is critical to all these benefits relationships unlock because that is what makes a man commit to you, over someone else. They're not assessing bank statements or your spending habits after all. Lifetime commitment to share finances, home, life/kids etc requires love. It might be inconvenient to think about because it's fluffy and not rational, but you can't get away from it. If love wasn't important we'd all be making this commitment to friends and flatmates. Love is not enough on its own, but it's the first step to any relationship.

A woman who see financial stability and security as the driving force for a relationship is not going to make a man fall in love. It will come across cold and calculating. They aren't falling in love with the idea of cheaper rent or nicer holidays. They're falling in love with your looks, attitude to life and essence, and an essence that sees them as an asset isn't going to do that. And the other stuff is a natural bonus. Just like it's off-putting if they meet a woman who's primary reason for dating is to have a father for her kids. Or someone who wants a green card. All valid practical reasons, but they aren't going to generate love or commitment.

When you go for a job interview, you may want the job only for the money. But you'll pretend to the interviewer you’re passionate about it, love their culture blah blah. Now it’s easy to pretend for a few interviews. But with dating it’s a non stop, long term interview that you can’t fake. Even if you say all the right things, people can sense what you really feel. Most people want love, and want to be with someone they think is capable of loving them and understanding them – their layers, vulnerabilities etc. They figure that out from non verbal cues, questions you ask, your general view of the world, a feeling they get etc.

So we can all debate till blue in the face why people want relationships, what reasons are valid or not, but the opinion of internet strangers doesn’t matter

  • what matters is what the man YOU want, wants from a relationship. It’s easy to forget it’s not just about you, their needs, wants, feelings matter too. And I sincerely believe that if more woman really understood the men they date better (and not just assume they want exactly what you do), they’d have more success with the whole thing. If you ask around, I think you’ll find that fewer men would say financial stability/security/ease as their #1 reason to date. It may be a reason, but not the driving force.
zonky · 28/07/2022 14:27

hotcoldnotsold · 28/07/2022 13:59

No one is debating whether having a relationship makes life easier or not - of course it does. However, when you're dating and trying to get someone to committ to you, your approach and how you come across matters most. So while people here might prioritise practical applications of a relationship over the warm, fuzzy stuff like love – how does that attitude come across to your date in real life? Because I imagine no one is that good a faker that their real motivations don’t show eventually. I believe that most decent men (and I can only speak for them as I date men) want someone who makes them feel good, loved and whom they fancy like mad. They're not as analytical as women, they do prioritise things like attraction and how they feel in your presence. Do they feel relaxed and cared about, like they can be themselves, or on edge and restless. Does the woman feel like home, is one I've heard my male friends mention a lot. Hence the mail order bride industry, not mail order groom, and why men seem to care less about a woman’s earnings.

So what a lot of men want is to fall in love. Love is critical to all these benefits relationships unlock because that is what makes a man commit to you, over someone else. They're not assessing bank statements or your spending habits after all. Lifetime commitment to share finances, home, life/kids etc requires love. It might be inconvenient to think about because it's fluffy and not rational, but you can't get away from it. If love wasn't important we'd all be making this commitment to friends and flatmates. Love is not enough on its own, but it's the first step to any relationship.

A woman who see financial stability and security as the driving force for a relationship is not going to make a man fall in love. It will come across cold and calculating. They aren't falling in love with the idea of cheaper rent or nicer holidays. They're falling in love with your looks, attitude to life and essence, and an essence that sees them as an asset isn't going to do that. And the other stuff is a natural bonus. Just like it's off-putting if they meet a woman who's primary reason for dating is to have a father for her kids. Or someone who wants a green card. All valid practical reasons, but they aren't going to generate love or commitment.

When you go for a job interview, you may want the job only for the money. But you'll pretend to the interviewer you’re passionate about it, love their culture blah blah. Now it’s easy to pretend for a few interviews. But with dating it’s a non stop, long term interview that you can’t fake. Even if you say all the right things, people can sense what you really feel. Most people want love, and want to be with someone they think is capable of loving them and understanding them – their layers, vulnerabilities etc. They figure that out from non verbal cues, questions you ask, your general view of the world, a feeling they get etc.

So we can all debate till blue in the face why people want relationships, what reasons are valid or not, but the opinion of internet strangers doesn’t matter

  • what matters is what the man YOU want, wants from a relationship. It’s easy to forget it’s not just about you, their needs, wants, feelings matter too. And I sincerely believe that if more woman really understood the men they date better (and not just assume they want exactly what you do), they’d have more success with the whole thing. If you ask around, I think you’ll find that fewer men would say financial stability/security/ease as their #1 reason to date. It may be a reason, but not the driving force.

A lot of "what men want" that you've mentioned above are socialised scripts and narratives which they themselves have absorbed and are spouting about like their own authentic thoughts. Since we live in capitalism it is very hard to get away from the hard pragmatics of the modern life.

hotcoldnotsold · 28/07/2022 15:53

A lot of "what men want" that you've mentioned above are socialised scripts and narratives which they themselves have absorbed and are spouting about like their own authentic thoughts. Since we live in capitalism it is very hard to get away from the hard pragmatics of the modern life.

Maybe. But religion too is a socialised script and narrative and that governs people's decisions and views of life and relationships. So many religions say marriage should be for procreation. Or how people choose to have children because of a biological urge without considering financial implications or whether they can manage. You can't escape irrational, illogical, socialised reasons for choices because that's not how the world works sadly.

Maddogsandtoplessenglishmen · 28/07/2022 16:06

hotcoldnotsold · 28/07/2022 13:59

No one is debating whether having a relationship makes life easier or not - of course it does. However, when you're dating and trying to get someone to committ to you, your approach and how you come across matters most. So while people here might prioritise practical applications of a relationship over the warm, fuzzy stuff like love – how does that attitude come across to your date in real life? Because I imagine no one is that good a faker that their real motivations don’t show eventually. I believe that most decent men (and I can only speak for them as I date men) want someone who makes them feel good, loved and whom they fancy like mad. They're not as analytical as women, they do prioritise things like attraction and how they feel in your presence. Do they feel relaxed and cared about, like they can be themselves, or on edge and restless. Does the woman feel like home, is one I've heard my male friends mention a lot. Hence the mail order bride industry, not mail order groom, and why men seem to care less about a woman’s earnings.

So what a lot of men want is to fall in love. Love is critical to all these benefits relationships unlock because that is what makes a man commit to you, over someone else. They're not assessing bank statements or your spending habits after all. Lifetime commitment to share finances, home, life/kids etc requires love. It might be inconvenient to think about because it's fluffy and not rational, but you can't get away from it. If love wasn't important we'd all be making this commitment to friends and flatmates. Love is not enough on its own, but it's the first step to any relationship.

A woman who see financial stability and security as the driving force for a relationship is not going to make a man fall in love. It will come across cold and calculating. They aren't falling in love with the idea of cheaper rent or nicer holidays. They're falling in love with your looks, attitude to life and essence, and an essence that sees them as an asset isn't going to do that. And the other stuff is a natural bonus. Just like it's off-putting if they meet a woman who's primary reason for dating is to have a father for her kids. Or someone who wants a green card. All valid practical reasons, but they aren't going to generate love or commitment.

When you go for a job interview, you may want the job only for the money. But you'll pretend to the interviewer you’re passionate about it, love their culture blah blah. Now it’s easy to pretend for a few interviews. But with dating it’s a non stop, long term interview that you can’t fake. Even if you say all the right things, people can sense what you really feel. Most people want love, and want to be with someone they think is capable of loving them and understanding them – their layers, vulnerabilities etc. They figure that out from non verbal cues, questions you ask, your general view of the world, a feeling they get etc.

So we can all debate till blue in the face why people want relationships, what reasons are valid or not, but the opinion of internet strangers doesn’t matter

  • what matters is what the man YOU want, wants from a relationship. It’s easy to forget it’s not just about you, their needs, wants, feelings matter too. And I sincerely believe that if more woman really understood the men they date better (and not just assume they want exactly what you do), they’d have more success with the whole thing. If you ask around, I think you’ll find that fewer men would say financial stability/security/ease as their #1 reason to date. It may be a reason, but not the driving force.

Actually what I want from a relationship is at least as important as what my DH wants.

Yes my DH had lovely rosy visions of love and happiness, getting married, having kids etc etc

But he will be the first to say that my pragmatic attitude is actually what makes our life better and more sustaining.

Of course I love him, I wouldn't have married him if I didn't. I love him, I am attracted to him etc. But there is no way on earth I would have married him if he didn't have a good work ethic.

He's not a MN 6 figure salary person. We generally earn 30-40k each. I also would have married him if he had been on 18k, its about work ethic not money. Because work ethic brings financial stability. My Bil earns similar but is in and out of work a lot has been sacked several times, has a terrible work ethic. I couldn't be married to him, even though he stands to inherit potentially millions. Because i find the lack of stability a turn off.

And in purely practical terms its ridiculous to pretend women shouldn't worry about financial stability because men don't for several reasons:

Men earn more generally speaking as a sex
Men are less likely to take time out for parental leave, setting back and limiting their earning potential
Men are less likely to take a career break, lower paid career, go part time to facilitate child care
Men get less chronic conditions so are less likely to need to drop their hours and take part time work
Men take on less of the caring responsibilities for the older generation and are therefore less likely to cut their hours etc

Of course they don't worry about the financial power of their potential wives, because they are highly likely to have been socialised to assume their career and aspirations will come first and their wives will be there to facilitate them.

Those that do see those things on a more equal footing are far more likely to be married to someone on similar or more money than them. That's no coincidence.

Maddogsandtoplessenglishmen · 28/07/2022 16:15

Look the reality is, as I have said, if I became single I would remain single. But I feel @pixie5121 is getting a lot of crap for a perfectly standard life view, which is that being in a relationship can be financially beneficial to both parties, and well as bringing other benefits.

I mean if it being financially beneficially shouldn't be taken into account why do posters get told to ltb when they realise they are with a cocklodger?

@pixie5121 isn't a gold digger. She has made it perfectly clear that a relationship can mutually benefit both parties.

hotcoldnotsold · 28/07/2022 16:34

@Maddogsandtoplessenglishmen

You misunderstand me. Of course women need to worry about financial stability when choosing a partner. My point is - you also need to consider what your partner is looking for when choosing you. And how your attitude and opinions towards relationships and life may be perceived by them. If you went on a date and started feeling sized up by a man as to what kind of lay you might be, would it not be off-putting? Even though regular sex too is a valid personal choice for wanting a relationship. There just needs to be awareness of how our attitudes and needs are communicated and make the other person feel - that's all. I also think viewing relationships as love and life long friendship are more likely to attract the right person than just practicalities. Because otherwise they'll feel - if I lose my job or can't work long term, are you going to dump me?