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Mind. Blown.

415 replies

TotallyUninspired · 11/07/2022 17:04

Some of you may remember my previous thread. Back in March I found out that my husband was having an affair with a much younger (also married) woman. He was very cruel to me in the months leading up to me finding out and brutal after I found out - saying she offered things that I didn't, that I was boring, that it was my fault because blah blah blah. It felt like if he could have blamed me for the Challenger explosion and the Exxon Valdez oil spill he would have.

Off he went, leaving the children and I broken-hearted. I gave up trying to reason with him very quickly and have maintained as little contact as possible with him ever since, with him constantly pushing for friendly chats and cups of tea that I absolutely do not want to have. We've sorted out a childcare arrangement but the financial stuff is unresolved as yet.

Today I got home from dropping the kids off to find him outside. He wants to come back. He's never stopped loving me, apparently, he was just having some kind of mental health crisis and I am the only person he can truly be himself with. He says that he fully takes responsibility for the affair and for destroying our marriage, that he will never forgive himself and his life isn't worth living now. He doesn't want OW, he says - they only lasted for about 2 weeks after he left and he could then see she was completely unsuited to him. He admits he rewrote history and that we had a good marriage and says it was his own insecurity that led him to this. He is having counselling to try and address his issues and asked if there was any way I would give him another chance.

I am so fucking bewildered. I don't know what on earth to do. It felt like validation to have him admit all those things but it could never be the same relationship again. Not to mention the fact that my family all absolutely despise him now (and rightly so). I do still love him but I don't know if I can get past the lack of love and respect he showed me and, above all, there is the fear that it could happen again.

I've agreed to go to a joint counselling session with him, and that's all I've agreed to. I don't know if our relationship is in any way salvageable but, at the very least, if it leads to a more amicable parting of the ways that would be positive.

OP posts:
LightDrizzle · 11/07/2022 23:41

“I’m sorry but I really think I can do better. Do take the counselling session though, I just won’t be joining you.”

He’s shown you who he is. Hard as separation is in reality, you really are better off without him.

Onthedunes · 11/07/2022 23:46

Justabitfedup12345 · 11/07/2022 22:32

I’d be interested to know why him and OW only lasted 2 weeks?? Was it not exciting for them now? Is that where he gets his kicks??

All the nopes - sorry I wouldn’t take him back or even consider any sort of counselling or reconciliation in a million years

New woman probably got bored of triangulating her husband and her new shag.

Op's husband is older I'm presuming than this couple, maybe her husband tumped him, humiliated him and he walked off wounded.

2 weeks is not long, what's he been doing after that.

Op he's trying to convince you he's not a loser, but he really is, get rid, being on your own would be better than this disloyal cunt.

I agree though, play along till the financials are sorted.

Oh and sleep with his best friend, if he is single 😉

Doona · 11/07/2022 23:48

Everyone will lose respect for you if you take him back. Not just him, but also family, friends, neighbours. It's too late. I suppose you could frame the therapy sessions as ways to construct a new co parenting relationship though.

LampLighter414 · 11/07/2022 23:53

Give him a chance OP

yzed · 11/07/2022 23:55

Hi Mind. Blown. TotallyUninspired,
I'm going to go down a slightly different path to the majority of posters here,
Clearly there is some part of you that's wondering whether it might be the fairytale ending to let him back into your life. That will actually depend on many many things, none of which we fellow-Mumsnetters know and you probably don't yourself yet.

I'd go along for this "first" session of counselling. Let things roll for about half the time (to show your compliance, and to see where he's coming from) then explain your "suggestions".

  1. He does six months of counselling (on his own, "to help him understand what he's done and why he did it") before any changes are made (ie he doesn't move back in, doesn't mention selling the house, BUT is prompt with generous financial support and "plays properly" re minimal contact with the children. (this will give you time to sort out a number of things, like your rights and your feelings)
  2. At the six month mark you have a number of joint counselling sessions (ideally with a different counsellor, one who isn't going to be predisposed towards the lies he may have told) to address eg the things he said to you that will probably be impossible to forget and which have definitely cut more deeply than you can say right now.
  3. At this point, if it feels right you begin occasional "date nights", so that you can "have fun together and see if you're still compatible as a couple" and "talk things through so that he can understand how badly he hurt you and try to explain how you can know he won't do it again".
  4. nb: during all this time he must remain faithful to you!

These are your terms, and any variations that either wish to discuss can be discussed after the first six months (while you heal).

Then, if it feels like the right thing to do, you can consider the possibility of a reconciliation. Which, incidentally, will only work if both of you are prepared to put in a huge amount of work, if the relationship is based on real love, if he's truly repentant for his behaviour (not "just" the unfaithful/leaving home parts) and if you are both extremely lucky.

Do I think it's likely? Not for me to say. But even if you don't I'd say you want it. Make him suffer to some degree, and be sure to get six months of calm on the financial front before you have to enter the "late payments", "short payments", "sell the house", etc phase.

Good Luck, and Much Strength,

CJsGoldfish · 12/07/2022 00:03

It felt like validation to have him admit all those things
He's counting on you falling for his bullshit yet again.
Reality is, she's fucked him off and he cannot be alone. Happens ALL THE TIME. Don't be that desperate woman that thinks she 'won'

Onthedunes · 12/07/2022 00:04

ToastedCrumpetwithCheese · 11/07/2022 23:05

His actions will speak louder than words.

I will also say that you will never forget his words and how deep they have cut. They will always be there. I'm not sure a new relationship can be built on that foundation. And that's the thing, it would be a new relationship. He doesn't seem to have grasped that you have changed as he hasn't taken the time to find that out, he just wants to get back with the old you. You will never be the same old you.

So true.

UniversalAunt · 12/07/2022 00:07

If you are really really compelled to give it all another go, then I suggest that you take an entirely pragmatic approach.

Complete the financials.
Complete the divorce.
Then you are both truly free for a fresh start.
If you are drawn together again, so be it.
Maybe some joint counselling to double check in that you are both facing in the same direction & have realistic expectations of a new relationship.

Somehow, I don’t think he’ll go for this as he’s only looking to avoid the true closing costs of his ‘quest for happiness’ & get a comfy berth.

It’s not about you, it’s all about him.

He betrayed you, was utterly vile & kicked you when you were down. He is capable of great cruelty to you, & if you take him back he will be momentarily grateful & relieved but he will hate you for it. Remember how cruel he can be.

Please don’t fall for it, just don’t.

TotallyUninspired · 12/07/2022 00:12

Thanks for all the messages. Believe me, I know what advice I would be giving someone else in these circumstances. I do have self-respect, I haven't forgotten or forgiven anything he said or did, and it would be a lot easier if I were in a place where I could gleefully tell him to go fuck himself and get on with rebuilding my life, but the fact is this has sent me reeling.

Having him confirm that we did have a good marriage and that we were a good team did feel validating. I don't want this version of him, and I certainly don't want to put myself and the kids through any more misery – I think I just want to try and make some sense of it all, which is why I agreed to see the counsellor. I am having my own counselling also.

He's living elsewhere (on his own), the children are on a regular schedule of visits with him and seem to be coping as well as they could be and I don't intend to change anything about that.

OP posts:
THEDEACON · 12/07/2022 00:15

Hell no!

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 12/07/2022 00:16

I agree about counselling for you. You have really suffered.
Thinking about what you really want and whether it can be achieved is the next step. You can't go back - but what version of going forward would suit you?

I think I see that some part of you would like to forgive him/take him back. What would help you trust him again? What if you really never could?

I'd want the perfect divorce settlement - with ample provision for the children and recognition of the harm he needs to try to compensate for. Pensions - house - everything in and shared with generous (deeply remorseful ) selfless spirit.

After the divorce.

He might have permission to try to start from scratch. ( If I wanted to risk this - and his company. ) No guarantee of success though.

madasawethen · 12/07/2022 00:19

Nobody thinks you should stick around for more of his cruelty.
Go back and read your posts from earlier this year.

His showing up at your door is 100% about him. Either OW dumped him or he is looking to mess your over financially.

RedToothBrush · 12/07/2022 00:21

You are the consolation prize because he couldn't get what he wanted. He came back to you for an easy life, not because he loves you.

WEEonline · 12/07/2022 00:26

OP, you are amazing. In spite of everything, you took the time and energy to describe not only your frustration, but also his predicament. You are the heroiness of this story, however it might unfold. I wish there were more strong woman like you are, who can see both sides of the coin without looking for fame or appraisal only. Whatever you decide... we are rooting for you!

thequeenoftheandals · 12/07/2022 00:29

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thequeenoftheandals · 12/07/2022 00:31

Bloody hell sorry I clearly can’t use mumsnet. Sorry for the erroneous post!!

StingrayStingray · 12/07/2022 00:32

A lot of posters seem to have missed (the prior thread?) the important information in the OP it wasn't just the lying and cheating which is bad enough in and of itself. It was also the incredible cruelty he displayed on finally admitting the affair.

@TotallyUninspired My story is slightly different to yours but with a similarly cruel DH, who then turned sweetness and love during the separation, only to do an extremely swift 180 back to incredible cruelty as soon as he thought he'd got a foot in the door again. It was fear of the financial hit he would take upon divorce.
In the end I was given a lovely rendition of the Script - "you might get someone to fuck you but no one will ever love you" (aye right, sez you, you horrible cruel bastard!) "You're alone because you're a terrible person" (um... looks round at friends and family, I don't think I'm a terrible person and frankly why in the ever loving fuck would I take his opinion on anything given what he'd done and what kind of a person he turned out to be. Maybe it was projection of his own fears on that one ha ha!), etc, etc. I actually did laugh in his face because I was expecting it (thank you MN Vipers!) and it was so unoriginal.

I made a thread here about him in the early separation and was advised very well and similarly to you basically not to fall for it. A few posters correctly saw that I was going to take him back, and most posters also correctly predicted the outcome ^ It took me a while, and the second round of cruel behaviour and words to realise that it wasn't a weird aberration, it was who he truly was.
I'm not even sure that I was a real person to him or if he was just so callous a person in himself that he just didn't care about other people's feelings, but either way it worked out the same from my end.

I agree with all other PPs:

Either OW dumped him, single life isn't suiting or he's figured out the financial aspect of divorce.

It's clearly manipulative shite he's saying now and it is all about him if you read it back to yourself. It's a big him pity party and he expects you to come dry his tears?

The PP who pointed out the fact that he didn't suddenly realise he'd made a mistake because you were the love of his life. No, he realised (ha!) that he and the OW were "unsuited"... so second best it is then, how lucky do you feel? No one wants to be a romantic seat filler.

Did he mention the upheaval to the children? Either during the initial awful behaviour or how it could affect them if you get back together/ give things a go and it not work? Agree with PPs it would be interesting to know if he has properly co-parented + paid maintenance during the last few months.

It's all about him really isn't it?

He blindsided you deliberately to provoke a knee-jerk reaction. It worked and you have found yourself agreeing to joint counselling and feeling validated from him saying things that sound alright on the surface, but as soon as you look closer expose him for what he is - a selfish, manipulative, cruel man who really doesn't give a shit about what he's done to you and the children.

He wants what he wants and he doesn't care how he gets it. He was so cruel to you (and your DC for the way he left you), now he's acting out this little farce of "you're the only one I can be myself around" Envy(<- not envy), and "I acted terribly", "boo-hoo mental health" because he wants his comfort blanket (you) while he window shops for the next "better" thing.

FWIW having a mental health crisis doesn't equate to saying such cruel things, nor does it equal such rubbish treatment.

I'm so sorry, it's such a headfuck when you are right in the middle of it.

Do counselling, solo. Get the finances sorted, quicker is better before the real him shows up again!

You deserve so much more than this Flowers

thequeenoftheandals · 12/07/2022 00:37

OP you deserve better than this. You have seen his true colours; don’t let him manipulate you and back in to your life. 💐

StingrayStingray · 12/07/2022 00:44

I've just seen your last update and yes that checks out, he's fed up of having to adult alone, parent alone etc etc.

You're his buffer, bed warmer etc etc as PPs have pointed out.

I do think you have self respect, I think some posters get a bit angry because they don't want you (or anyone) to be hurt like this again and sometimes the self respect line gets people to realise how loose a grasp on it they've ended up with.

It's absolutely bound to give you a massive wobble, when my exH did similar to me it gave me such a wobble I half went back with a foot poised to run thanks to MN.

I think if you do fall for this you'll end up really badly hurt again, but I really hope that whatever happens everything works out for you.
Most of us wouldn't judge you if you did go back to try again and would be here for support if it didn't work out. A lot of us have been where you are, or close enough anyway and a lot of us went back for that final try Flowers

RachelGreeneGreep · 12/07/2022 00:53

DelphiniumBlue · 11/07/2022 22:26

He could have left you for the OW without being nasty. He didn't have to insult you or be offensive, but that's what he did. Even if he didn't love you any more, he could have kept it civil, but he didn't have to keep you sweet any more, so could let his callous side shine through.
So whether or not he thinks he made a mistake, whether or not OW dumped him, I should think he's burned his bridges with you, he's shown how nasty he he can be when there's no useful purpose to him in being nice. He is not a nice man. Tell him to take a hike.

Spot on.

OP please don't feel you have to rush into pleasing his lordship now that he has deigned to suggest returning. No way would be my answer.

Pinkyxx · 12/07/2022 01:13

Op I was you many years ago. Despite astonishing cruelty on his part, I took him back (numerous times). I craved the validation, and wanted to believe he’d had some kind of epiphany. He was prone to similar grand gestures like just turning up, effusive self deprecating apologies devoid of any real accountability yet professing complete reform… he knew just what buttons to push. Each time I took him back I lost a little more of myself, compromised more, lost my grip on reality a little more. It’s slightly perverse but I think I’d invested so much pain by then, it all felt worth it? While it seems absurd to me now in retrospect, given just how cruel he’d already been to me & our child, I was wholly unprepared for the scale of cruelty he unleashed when he finally left. If I could say one thing to my younger self it would be:

He’s shown you who he is, believe him.

LooseGoose22 · 12/07/2022 01:17

Having him confirm that we did have a good marriage and that we were a good team did feel validating.

Only because you let yourself believe him, let him convince you, gas light you ..... but you must have known underneath it all that he was lying, rewriting history, projecting guilt, having to make you a bsd guy and the marriage a failure; in oder to justify his infidelity, and his breaking up/,leaving his marriage to himself and others.

You didn't truly believe it, did you. You don't need the validation.

It's "nice" not to have him lying and rewriting history/reality any more (or rather, at the minute) but you don't need him to do that. His opinions are not worth much at all

LooseGoose22 · 12/07/2022 01:24

you're the only one I can be myself around" Envy(<- not envy)

Yeah, given himself is now an adulterer who walks out in his wife and kids for a woman he doesn't last 2 weeks with, ..... after long to, gas lighting, and verbally tearing to bits his wife & mother of his kids for months.

Oh and op you said you were a good team; were you really or is that rose tinted glasses/naivety; because he doesn't sound like a team player.

Crumpleton · 12/07/2022 01:49

What's made him feel you're less boring now?
Will he want you to offer things she did for/to him and you didn't?

Wonder if the OW left her husband....or was it the chase she liked...

You're probably worth so much more than second best.
He said some awful things and by your own addmission was very cruel to you and now he wants you back....Nice move.
Only my opinion but sorry counselling, wonder if you'd have suggested it to him before him leaving you would he have been so willing to go?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 12/07/2022 01:53

LampLighter414 · 11/07/2022 23:53

Give him a chance OP

Are you crackers, or having a poor attempt at a joke?

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