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25 years and out for clearing a shelf!

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Superness · 07/06/2022 22:08

I’m 50 in less than two weeks, have been with my partner for 25 years, we have two school aged children together, and this week It looks like we’ve come to an end. Things aren’t perfect between us but overall we tick along quite nicely until something trivial happens which blows up disproportionately. On this occasion, I was cleaning the house because we were thinking about moving and I’d made an appointment for a valuation. On our hallway staircase, there is a shelf with dp’s bike gear on it plus some of the kids stuff. It’s messy as it’s an open shelf and I thought it would look nice with plants on it instead. I’d asked a few years back for a door to be put on it but it never happened….busy family life and always jobs to do. Anyway, I put some stuff away and other stuff like a bike lid, I put on the kitchen table thinking it was about time it found a new place to live. Well, when dp asked me why his bike stuff was there and I said I’d cleared the shelf because I wanted ‘my’ house’ to look nice, he went ballistic bellowing at me and repeatedly telling me ‘fuck-you’. I said what a disappointment he was for verbally abusing me over cleaning a shelf and spent the night in one of the children's room. Spent the day working but tearful and very upset. Went he came home from work and ignored me, I felt even more upset and I reacted by asking him to leave. He won’t leave. We are unmarried. He says we will sell the house and I will have to deal with the children. He won’t apologise. Apparently I was being abusive trying to remove all trace of him from this house by clearing the shelf and he’s had enough of my abuse. Honestly, his decks are in the front room, speakers in the kitchen, bike stuff in the washing machine cupboard, third bedroom and our bedroom and the garage. It seems so irrational. It’s obviously deeper than the shelf but I can’t tolerate being verbally abused and being told it’s my fault. Where do I go from here?

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FoofOfTheWalkingDead · 07/06/2022 22:16

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I don't know what advice to give you but your SO sounds abusive. Have you read the sulking ex series of threads? This is the latest one, [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/4125147-Divorcing-sulking-DH-it-WILL-happen-in-2021

FoofOfTheWalkingDead · 07/06/2022 22:17

Sorry, posted too soon. Clicky link here
divorcing sulking DH

Luredbyapomegranate · 07/06/2022 22:18

I spose the question is where do you both want to go from here? It sounds like you’ve drifted quite far apart and communication is failing. I think that some joint counselling would be a good thing, to help you both work out if you want to work to try and make it work, or if not, to separate with the least friction possible.

In the meantime, I would pull all your financial info and go see a solicitor, so if it does come to a split, you have thought about plans in advance

Porcupineintherough · 07/06/2022 22:19

Put your house on the market. If he wants to backtrack let him make the first move and then make it conditional on couples counselling. If he doubles down on his arsedom tell him to pack it in and leave him with the kids (you don't have to mean it).

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:21

Thank you. I’ll have a read of the thread.

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AfterSchoolWorry · 07/06/2022 22:23

It's nothing to do with the shelf. That's a red herring.

He's setting up a narrative here that he's been/being abused.

Why?

SpinstileTurnstile · 07/06/2022 22:25

If you live in England and you're not married, you are in a relatively weak position if the house is in his sole name. Because the children are school age, you can get an occupation order so you and they can stay until the younger one leaves full-time education, if it comes to separation. But you'll need to see a solicitor, unless you know what you're doing.

Do you want to stay together? He won't change, not now.

MaChienEstUnDick · 07/06/2022 22:29

AfterSchoolWorry · 07/06/2022 22:23

It's nothing to do with the shelf. That's a red herring.

He's setting up a narrative here that he's been/being abused.

Why?

Dead right. He's projecting something - the question you have to ask is what?

And meantime you need to be getting your ducks in a row. Is it 'your' house? Are you financially secure?

LetHimHaveIt · 07/06/2022 22:32

AfterSchoolWorry · 07/06/2022 22:23

It's nothing to do with the shelf. That's a red herring.

He's setting up a narrative here that he's been/being abused.

Why?

My thoughts exactly.

I think you need to consider the possibility of an OW . . .

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:34

Thanks luredbyapomegranate. We have indeed drifted far apart and comms are definitely failing. I think joint counselling would be good to see where we could from here although I do wonder if it’s too late. I could suggest it but I feel like he might throw it back at me at the moment.

thanks porcupineintherough. I like your no nonsense approach and I think I do need show that I am prepared for it to happen. He may not want to backtrack. I am worried about how and where I would house the kids if we sold up. He mentioned splitting the money 50:50 but backed down and said he’d give me a bit more. After 25 years I was quite gobsmacked. I’d have thought he would have wanted to see his children settled and continue to go to their local school but it seems not.

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Discovereads · 07/06/2022 22:34

God I’m sorry, he sounds positively unhinged. I think your next step is to get legal advice and also see Citizens Advice on what benefits you may be entitled to if you decide to move out of the house with the children. I would imagine the atmosphere is unbearable for you now and as he won’t leave, you need to know your options.

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:37

Agree that the shelf is a red herring. It’s so irrational. He said I am trying to erase him from the house. I think he is feeling really insecure about us and I don’t know why. His ‘needs’ are obviously not being met by this relationship but I don't think there is an O/W.

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Mariposista · 07/06/2022 22:40

Gosh what a horrible thing to happen OP over such a trivial thing like cleaning a shelf! Major over-reaction from him. Using that language against you is disgusting and inexcusable, and the fact he hasn't apologised shows him up. Have a good think about whether this is salvageable. You should not have to put up with that rubbish. All the best.

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:42

yes, it was really a very odd outburst. Thankfully the house is owned 50/50 but with three children to house in London, 50% won’t buy much locally. My dd is just getting ready to transfer to secondary school. I feel so sad for the children.

im going to try and sleep now as work tomorrow. Will check in again tomorrow. Thanks all.

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SarahAndQuack · 07/06/2022 23:09

I may well be reading this wrongly (and apologies if so), but I am a bit surprised at the responses so far.

I get that from your perspective, you just cleared a shelf and you don't understand why he's furious. But reading your post: you'd organised a house valuation; you were clearing his stuff off the shelf. Was he fully in agreement that you needed the valuation and the clearing to happen? You say you 'asked' for a door on the shelf a while ago - was this something that didn't happen because he disagreed? Or because he didn't want to chip in? Or what?

It's very wrong he yelled and swore at you. Was this in response to you saying 'my' house, do you think? Or is it just how he is? If the former, is there any established conflict over who owns what?

SarahAndQuack · 07/06/2022 23:11

I mean, I do think if my DP organised a house valuation, moved my stuff hoping it'd 'find a new place to live' and called it cleaning, then asked me to leave when I got cross ... I would certainly feel pretty upset. I would hope I wouldn't shout or swear in response, of course, but I think booking a valuation then moving your partner's belongings out of the way is really pretty rude.

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 07/06/2022 23:34

SarahAndQuack · 07/06/2022 23:11

I mean, I do think if my DP organised a house valuation, moved my stuff hoping it'd 'find a new place to live' and called it cleaning, then asked me to leave when I got cross ... I would certainly feel pretty upset. I would hope I wouldn't shout or swear in response, of course, but I think booking a valuation then moving your partner's belongings out of the way is really pretty rude.

I don’t want to sound like a prick, but I found my ExW was a little bit like this, my possessions always needed to be hidden or put away in some manner, it sometimes felt (too me at least) like our house was more her house with me as a visitor.

wellhelloitsme · 07/06/2022 23:49

His comment about leaving and you then having to deal with the children is something I think only a shit father would say.

As if he sees the children as your responsibility, sees you as default parent and even worse, doesn't love them enough to want to maintain a good relationship with them. He would prefer to use them to punish you as he holds you in contempt.

I can't imagine my partner bellowing at me over anything, because he's not a massive bell end.

This man is.

AlternativePerspective · 07/06/2022 23:57

I agree that the shelf is a red herring, however if you were a woman posting that you were fuming that your partner had cleared a shelf of your things the question would be asked as to whether this was essentially the straw which broke the camel’s back.

Nobody here can know whether he’s abusive, or whether you are and this is just the last in a long line of things for him. I would suggest that maybe you seek couples counselling to help you communicate with each other.

Monty27 · 08/06/2022 02:05

You want to live in a petrol head's house?
I'd point him to the nearest door.
Don't let him hold you and DC's back.
He needs to respect his family home or go elsewhere and quit pissing on your picasso.

Figstar4eva · 08/06/2022 02:10

OP, genuine question, why did you call it your (my) house when he asked you about moving his stuff? Was it intentional to get a rise out of him or was it just slip of the tongue? I think answering that question for yourself will go a long way to seeing if there's a future here.

mathanxiety · 08/06/2022 04:58

I don't think people saying 'If this were a shelf full of woman's things the response would be different' have noticed that this was an open shelf in the hall with bike stuff on it and there is more bike stuff throughout the house.

If a woman kept her watercolour paints, a few camera lenses, or her fishing rods on a shelf in the hall when there were plenty of other places to stow all of this stuff, wouldn't you all be suggesting that she put her stuff away, and asking why the heck it had to be out on display in various inappropriate places?

This man for whatever reason has been marking turf with his bike equipment. It's all over the home. It's the equivalent of pissing on his territory. It's the trappings of a hobby which takes him out of the house and away on the highways and byways and it's clearly one he has invested a huge amount of his identity with. It's a reminder to him of his freedom, and a reminder to the family that he can detach from them.

The OP has inadvertently de-marked the territory. She has put away the tokens he identifies with freedom from the home and family. Hence the explosion of anger.

But that anger also comes from a deep-seated belief that he is not one half of an equal partnership but the lord of the manor, and any change he doesn't command is a challenge to him and to his dominion.

He can't share power. Either he has it or the OP has it. There can be no middle ground. He thinks he has been deposed. That's why he has said to the OP that the house has to be sold and she and the children are now shit on the sole of his shoes.

I suspect in many ways he has already checked out of identifying with the family. It's not as important to him as the bike and the bike parts, and what all of that represents.

Iflyaway · 08/06/2022 05:15

Excellent post from mathanxiety.

Oh, and OP, couples counselling is never recommended with an abusive partner. (He is verbally abusive. He will twist the counselling around to his way).

Maurepas · 08/06/2022 05:35

If you were divorcing (which you are not, as not married) you would legally stay in house until the children were 18 years old, I believe.

TigerLilyTail · 08/06/2022 05:56

Maybe time to put all your cards on the table. I’d invite him out for dinner/coffee/lunch or whatever and say that the time has come to be honest about your relationship and let him say his piece without interruption and then you can say your piece without interruption and then you can both talk it out about how you want to proceed. Hopefully, doing it in public will stop him becoming verbally abusive.