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25 years and out for clearing a shelf!

202 replies

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:08

I’m 50 in less than two weeks, have been with my partner for 25 years, we have two school aged children together, and this week It looks like we’ve come to an end. Things aren’t perfect between us but overall we tick along quite nicely until something trivial happens which blows up disproportionately. On this occasion, I was cleaning the house because we were thinking about moving and I’d made an appointment for a valuation. On our hallway staircase, there is a shelf with dp’s bike gear on it plus some of the kids stuff. It’s messy as it’s an open shelf and I thought it would look nice with plants on it instead. I’d asked a few years back for a door to be put on it but it never happened….busy family life and always jobs to do. Anyway, I put some stuff away and other stuff like a bike lid, I put on the kitchen table thinking it was about time it found a new place to live. Well, when dp asked me why his bike stuff was there and I said I’d cleared the shelf because I wanted ‘my’ house’ to look nice, he went ballistic bellowing at me and repeatedly telling me ‘fuck-you’. I said what a disappointment he was for verbally abusing me over cleaning a shelf and spent the night in one of the children's room. Spent the day working but tearful and very upset. Went he came home from work and ignored me, I felt even more upset and I reacted by asking him to leave. He won’t leave. We are unmarried. He says we will sell the house and I will have to deal with the children. He won’t apologise. Apparently I was being abusive trying to remove all trace of him from this house by clearing the shelf and he’s had enough of my abuse. Honestly, his decks are in the front room, speakers in the kitchen, bike stuff in the washing machine cupboard, third bedroom and our bedroom and the garage. It seems so irrational. It’s obviously deeper than the shelf but I can’t tolerate being verbally abused and being told it’s my fault. Where do I go from here?

OP posts:
CaptSkippy · 08/06/2022 10:52

MrsLargeEmbodied · 08/06/2022 10:48

@Innocenta
but you just turn it into a bunfight which isnt pleasant or helpful to anybody, not least the op

WTH is this term 'bunfight'? Is this something you would apply to men arguing aswell?

Also, please kindly explain where I was "kocking down", as you say, other posters?

BigSkies2022 · 08/06/2022 10:59

@Alb0 - I was quoting another poster, I don't think you mean to address your point to me. It's the same point that I was making.

Pyewhacket · 08/06/2022 10:59

All the instructions on telling him what to do, calling him all the abusive names you can think up. The cod psychology and womansplaining on MRA's is totally irrelevant.

The guy is finished and wants out. The only thing to do is consult a solicitor and agree an exit strategy, bearing in mind there are children involved. And no, you cannot evict somebody from their own property. The Police won't be interested unless he is a physical threat, name-calling in a domestic argument doesn't qualify. They are not married so he can force through the sale of the property. It's not that expensive.

Hopefully, both parties can agree to be civil and act in the interest of their children.

CaptSkippy · 08/06/2022 11:01

Pyewhacket · 08/06/2022 10:59

All the instructions on telling him what to do, calling him all the abusive names you can think up. The cod psychology and womansplaining on MRA's is totally irrelevant.

The guy is finished and wants out. The only thing to do is consult a solicitor and agree an exit strategy, bearing in mind there are children involved. And no, you cannot evict somebody from their own property. The Police won't be interested unless he is a physical threat, name-calling in a domestic argument doesn't qualify. They are not married so he can force through the sale of the property. It's not that expensive.

Hopefully, both parties can agree to be civil and act in the interest of their children.

Found another one.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 08/06/2022 11:03

@CaptSkippy
unhelpful agenda here

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 08/06/2022 11:06

While I can see why the decks might need to be in the living room and wouldn't have a problem with that myself, this bike stuff everywhere is totally unacceptable. It should all be in one place - preferably in the garage

I have got loads of motorcycle gear, helmets, leathers, fabric, boots, gloves, baselayers etc, I would never have them in a garage, garages are damp & cold, why should my “stuff” be relegated to the coldest / dampest part of the property?
i want my gear in the main part of the house where it’s in easy access when I want it & im getting changed, I don’t want to get be getting ready in a bloody garage, who wants that.
but saying that all my gear is on one location in wardrobes and shelves in my spare room, not spread around my house,

Gettingthingsdone777 · 08/06/2022 11:07

Pyewhacket · 08/06/2022 10:59

All the instructions on telling him what to do, calling him all the abusive names you can think up. The cod psychology and womansplaining on MRA's is totally irrelevant.

The guy is finished and wants out. The only thing to do is consult a solicitor and agree an exit strategy, bearing in mind there are children involved. And no, you cannot evict somebody from their own property. The Police won't be interested unless he is a physical threat, name-calling in a domestic argument doesn't qualify. They are not married so he can force through the sale of the property. It's not that expensive.

Hopefully, both parties can agree to be civil and act in the interest of their children.

You might think it’s irrelevant @Pyewhacket but @Oscarthedog accused people on MN of being bigots so I think we’re within our rights to defend against this and explain why there’s little patience for MRAs here. If you feel patronised by the womansplaining here, Perhaps you’d enjoy the support and solidarity you can get from male majority spaces such as 4Chan.org?

TheThreadisMildlyAmusing · 08/06/2022 11:08

Op, is there any chance you could afford to buy your partner out so you and the DC can stay in the house? Or could you manage with smaller house/flat without having to house all his bike stuff?

Have you calculated how much child support you would be entitled to?

I think it might be helpful to start thinking of the practicalities and financials if you do split, just so you are prepared and have some sort of a plan in place.

Pyewhacket · 08/06/2022 11:10

If you feel patronised by the womansplaining here, Perhaps you’d enjoy the support and solidarity you can get from male majority spaces such as 4Chan.org?

I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you need to get some fresh air.

Innocenta · 08/06/2022 11:13

MrsLargeEmbodied · 08/06/2022 10:48

@Innocenta
but you just turn it into a bunfight which isnt pleasant or helpful to anybody, not least the op

Define 'bunfight'.

CaptSkippy · 08/06/2022 11:19

MrsLargeEmbodied · 08/06/2022 11:03

@CaptSkippy
unhelpful agenda here

Oh, quit projecting.

grapewines · 08/06/2022 11:20

He doesn't want another house where his stuff is tolerated. He probably wants out.

You both shouldn't just accept things are ticking along with blowups in-between. Not exactly healthy for anyone let alone the children.

TigerLilyTail · 08/06/2022 11:22

Innocenta · 08/06/2022 11:13

Define 'bunfight'.

A fight with buns?

I think define "buns" is a more interesting prospect.

It's disappointing that yet another thread has disintegrated into a petty, irrelevant argument.

CaptSkippy · 08/06/2022 11:23

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 08/06/2022 11:06

While I can see why the decks might need to be in the living room and wouldn't have a problem with that myself, this bike stuff everywhere is totally unacceptable. It should all be in one place - preferably in the garage

I have got loads of motorcycle gear, helmets, leathers, fabric, boots, gloves, baselayers etc, I would never have them in a garage, garages are damp & cold, why should my “stuff” be relegated to the coldest / dampest part of the property?
i want my gear in the main part of the house where it’s in easy access when I want it & im getting changed, I don’t want to get be getting ready in a bloody garage, who wants that.
but saying that all my gear is on one location in wardrobes and shelves in my spare room, not spread around my house,

If you live by yourself this should not a problem. If share your space it's unreasonable to clutter up the surfaces of common areas so that no one else can use them.

Furthermore, if you are selling a house you'd be a fool not to try and make it look presentable to potential sellers. Leaving your stuff cluttered all over the place does not exact entice people into a bidding war.

yetanothernamechange90 · 08/06/2022 11:24

An open shelf for all to see is not the place to dump everything and anything, which is what it sounds like the OPs partners is doing. Its fully reasonable to want to clean and tidy the shelf, especially if you are trying to get a valuation and give a good appearance of the house, and ask the partner to find a new (non-visual) home for the stuff. I get so mad when my DH dumps his stuff throughout random places in the house. Houses have cupboards - USE THEM.
The shelf incident is the tip of the iceberg. It sounds like there is a lot bubbling under the surface and the shelf issue has just escalated the things bubbling away.

I feel for you OP. We have many many 'shelf' incidents in my house, which is why I knows it's just a stepping stone to much much bigger issues.

Innocenta · 08/06/2022 11:25

@TigerLilyTail Yes, a shame that as usual, certain people have to come in and make it so difficult for women to support women.

Certain people want to push the agenda that really the woman must be the abuser.

Certain people want to hint and gaslight and manipulate, all with the aim of derailing and causing drama and moving the focus of the thread away from the woman's actual situation, and instead onto the Poor Man.

SarahAndQuack · 08/06/2022 11:29

An open shelf for all to see is not the place to dump everything and anything, which is what it sounds like the OPs partners is doing.

No, it doesn't. She says it's where his bike gear is. Not 'everything and anything'. An open shelf in the hallway is a perfectly logical place to keep stuff you're liable to want to grab as you go out of the house.

SarahAndQuack · 08/06/2022 11:32

Innocenta · 08/06/2022 11:25

@TigerLilyTail Yes, a shame that as usual, certain people have to come in and make it so difficult for women to support women.

Certain people want to push the agenda that really the woman must be the abuser.

Certain people want to hint and gaslight and manipulate, all with the aim of derailing and causing drama and moving the focus of the thread away from the woman's actual situation, and instead onto the Poor Man.

I know there can be a bit of MRA-ing on MN, but I think some of this is drama of your own making. There are some threads where it's really clear that a woman is being abused, and there's an obvious pattern to what's going on. And there are others, like this one, where you really could see two sides to it.

Innocenta · 08/06/2022 11:37

@SarahAndQuack There has been an uptick and I'm far from the only person to have noticed it.

yetanothernamechange90 · 08/06/2022 11:41

SarahAndQuack · 08/06/2022 11:29

An open shelf for all to see is not the place to dump everything and anything, which is what it sounds like the OPs partners is doing.

No, it doesn't. She says it's where his bike gear is. Not 'everything and anything'. An open shelf in the hallway is a perfectly logical place to keep stuff you're liable to want to grab as you go out of the house.

err yes it is. Why would the OP want all her partners bike stuff shoved on a shelf in no particular order and looking messy. OP could maybe get a nice decorate box for the shelf to keep the bike bits in. A shelf is not a place to throw things on to.

@SarahAndQuack are you my DH in disguise ?!

whynotwhatknot · 08/06/2022 11:43

For the purposes of the vaulation hes completely gone ott about moving his stuff-why would potential buyers want to see his crap everywhere

seems like this is just the tip of the iceberg though

CaptSkippy · 08/06/2022 11:49

SarahAndQuack · 08/06/2022 11:32

I know there can be a bit of MRA-ing on MN, but I think some of this is drama of your own making. There are some threads where it's really clear that a woman is being abused, and there's an obvious pattern to what's going on. And there are others, like this one, where you really could see two sides to it.

Don't you think this sounds a bit like victim-blaming? I don't see why he gets to tell her "fuck-you" repeatedly for cleaning up his stuff. It's not like she was flicking a lit sigarette at him.

Emotionalsupportviper · 08/06/2022 11:52

AfterSchoolWorry · 07/06/2022 22:23

It's nothing to do with the shelf. That's a red herring.

He's setting up a narrative here that he's been/being abused.

Why?

This ^

Men don't leave unless they have somewhere (ie someone) they have to go to.

He's been playing away and has been waiting for a chance to make everything your fault.

That "you will have to deal with the children" bit is particularly awful. I'm so sorry this has happened.

Trivester · 08/06/2022 12:03

MN is a weird place these days.

When I read a thread like this, I run it through the filter of “how would dh have reacted?” And “how would I have felt if he did that?”

Most likely both of us would have admired the shelf, and said something about how we’d been meaning to sort out our stuff, and probably tidied it away properly.

His reaction is completely out of line. I’m with @mathanxiety

SarahAndQuack · 08/06/2022 12:26

yetanothernamechange90 · 08/06/2022 11:41

err yes it is. Why would the OP want all her partners bike stuff shoved on a shelf in no particular order and looking messy. OP could maybe get a nice decorate box for the shelf to keep the bike bits in. A shelf is not a place to throw things on to.

@SarahAndQuack are you my DH in disguise ?!

Oh come on, you are projecting. How on earth do you know it is 'shoved' there and 'in no particular order'? Mightn't it be it is ordered precisely how he wants it?

And no, not your DH.

(I also really don't get your logic here ... why should it be the OP's job to get a decorative box?)

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