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25 years and out for clearing a shelf!

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Superness · 07/06/2022 22:08

I’m 50 in less than two weeks, have been with my partner for 25 years, we have two school aged children together, and this week It looks like we’ve come to an end. Things aren’t perfect between us but overall we tick along quite nicely until something trivial happens which blows up disproportionately. On this occasion, I was cleaning the house because we were thinking about moving and I’d made an appointment for a valuation. On our hallway staircase, there is a shelf with dp’s bike gear on it plus some of the kids stuff. It’s messy as it’s an open shelf and I thought it would look nice with plants on it instead. I’d asked a few years back for a door to be put on it but it never happened….busy family life and always jobs to do. Anyway, I put some stuff away and other stuff like a bike lid, I put on the kitchen table thinking it was about time it found a new place to live. Well, when dp asked me why his bike stuff was there and I said I’d cleared the shelf because I wanted ‘my’ house’ to look nice, he went ballistic bellowing at me and repeatedly telling me ‘fuck-you’. I said what a disappointment he was for verbally abusing me over cleaning a shelf and spent the night in one of the children's room. Spent the day working but tearful and very upset. Went he came home from work and ignored me, I felt even more upset and I reacted by asking him to leave. He won’t leave. We are unmarried. He says we will sell the house and I will have to deal with the children. He won’t apologise. Apparently I was being abusive trying to remove all trace of him from this house by clearing the shelf and he’s had enough of my abuse. Honestly, his decks are in the front room, speakers in the kitchen, bike stuff in the washing machine cupboard, third bedroom and our bedroom and the garage. It seems so irrational. It’s obviously deeper than the shelf but I can’t tolerate being verbally abused and being told it’s my fault. Where do I go from here?

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 09/06/2022 21:20

@SarahAndQuack, you are really reaching, with your assertions about sexism, and ignoring what I am actually posting in favour of some agenda of your own.

A house that's going on the market is a house that needs clearing up. It needs to look as if there's room in it for the gear that the owners have accumulated, possessions the next owners may also have, bike parts, gaming accessories, speakers, etc.

It is the OP's house just as much as it is her partner's house. Maybe he had never considered it in that light, but that's his problem. Should she have pandered to his territoriality by calling it 'your house'? How about 'Your house', sir'? Would that have sounded more respectful to her lord and master?

I'm sure he's been happy for the last twenty five years to have her cook meals for him in 'his' kitchen, serve them to him and the children she has borne him on 'his' plates, use 'his' washing machine to do his laundry for him, and hang it out to dry in 'his' back garden. I'm sure he has never stepped in and told her to stop cleaning 'his house' because only he should take care of his property.

He has told the OP that he has no regard for 'his' precious house or the family unit, or even his own children any more. He doesn't care where they go or what they do once the house is sold. No act of tidying up could possibly have elicited that reaction in a partner of twenty five years.

Loubelou14 · 09/06/2022 21:25

I was with my ex for 25 yrs. I experienced similar non sensical outbursts where he would shout at me for nothing. I knew I deserved better and so do you. Nobody has the right to speak to you like that when your intentions were good. You have life ahead of you. It's not as scary as you think.

HowlongWillThisTakeNow · 09/06/2022 21:26

ThistleTits · 09/06/2022 19:21

@HowlongWillThisTakeNow
Perhaps you should have put stuff away and she would not have had to tidy all your stuff.

When 2 people are living together and 1 person says (for example) they don’t want your pictures up, but then put their own pictures up, that’s hardly fair it it.
Also I was the person normally doing the tidying as she left her shit everywhere.

NannaKaren · 09/06/2022 22:16

What a twat.
sad for you- get advice and hopefully you can stay in the house till DC finish education - what a pig…
Head up girl and wishing you well xxx

SarahAndQuack · 09/06/2022 22:46

mathanxiety · 09/06/2022 21:20

@SarahAndQuack, you are really reaching, with your assertions about sexism, and ignoring what I am actually posting in favour of some agenda of your own.

A house that's going on the market is a house that needs clearing up. It needs to look as if there's room in it for the gear that the owners have accumulated, possessions the next owners may also have, bike parts, gaming accessories, speakers, etc.

It is the OP's house just as much as it is her partner's house. Maybe he had never considered it in that light, but that's his problem. Should she have pandered to his territoriality by calling it 'your house'? How about 'Your house', sir'? Would that have sounded more respectful to her lord and master?

I'm sure he's been happy for the last twenty five years to have her cook meals for him in 'his' kitchen, serve them to him and the children she has borne him on 'his' plates, use 'his' washing machine to do his laundry for him, and hang it out to dry in 'his' back garden. I'm sure he has never stepped in and told her to stop cleaning 'his house' because only he should take care of his property.

He has told the OP that he has no regard for 'his' precious house or the family unit, or even his own children any more. He doesn't care where they go or what they do once the house is sold. No act of tidying up could possibly have elicited that reaction in a partner of twenty five years.

I don't have an agenda at all, and I'm not ignoring what you are posting.

But, you can't assume the house was 'going on the market' just because the OP says she booked a valuation. All she says about her partner was that the two of them were 'thinking about moving'. So all of this may have come as quite a shock to him, right?

I really don't understand where you're coming from when you say that she would be 'pandering to his territory' if she didn't say 'my house'. Why would 'our house' not be neutral terminology? Confused

It seems clear to me this is a relationship with huge problems, and it seems clear the husband is in the wrong. But it is simply not true that he has been the one calling it 'his' house or 'his' kitchen.

SarahAndQuack · 09/06/2022 22:51

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 09/06/2022 19:38

OP has already said that "We" were thinking of moving and had agreed to get a valuation.

Is'nt it completely normal to tidy up for a valuation? and if OP thought the shelf of bike parts in the entryway would be off putting to buyers /valuers then of course she cleared the shelf. That's home selling 010 isn't it?

She left the stuff on the table ( instead of putting it in the bin or dumping in the garage) so that he could have a look through and see if he still wanted it or could find a different place.
Why is this raised as excusing his subsequent horrible behaviour?

No, the OP did not say that.

She said 'we' were thinking of moving.

But she said 'I' booked a valuation.

I am of the view that, if you're thinking of selling a house you own together, you need both to be on board. You can't just say 'well, DH, we were both thinking of moving, so I booked a valuation and moved your stuff'. That's not on.

Of course he shouldn't shout and swear; he sounds like a really nasty person.

LaDamaDeElche · 09/06/2022 23:21

My DP used to be like this. Every small argument where he didn’t get his way was a split up thing. Does he have form for this? DP hasn’t been like this for a year or so now (we’ve been together for 7). I put my foot down and called out his childishness after years of apologising and appeasing. I’m not sure if this applies to you and if it’s the first time in all those years he’s behaved like that, then I can’t really give advice. All I know is in DP’s situation it was his childishness and my
reaction to that (enabling, basically) that was the problem, so if you do see that in your relationship, then hold steady and be strong in the fact that he’s behaving like an idiot.

Grrrrdarling · 10/06/2022 00:57

Iflyaway · 08/06/2022 05:15

Excellent post from mathanxiety.

Oh, and OP, couples counselling is never recommended with an abusive partner. (He is verbally abusive. He will twist the counselling around to his way).

Totally agree that the counselling won’t work with an abusive/unhinged partner.
My friend tried this to help her abuser understand how he was hurting the family, her & to help him deal with whatever demons made him how he was. It did not work.
At the end of their 10th session the councillor pulled her aside & told her to leave the man because he would never change & that she was concerned for her safety!
For it to work both parties have to be willing to listen, work together & change.
That was not ever going to happen with him.

Mathanxiety has totally hit the nail on the head too.

LeilaRose777 · 10/06/2022 08:06

Probably just repeating what other people have said... but I can't emphasize this enough - you need to see a solicitor asap Despite not being married, your entitlement to the proceeds of the house sale will be more than 50% if you are looking after dependent children. You can make him leave if you're feeling threatened and unsafe, but you must bring this to the attention of the appropriate people, including the police. Start keeping a diary of incidents where you are verbally insulted or intimidated, with the date, the time and a brief description. I'm so sorry that this has happened to you, but once you realize that war has already started you will be in a better position to fight for yourself and your children.

mcdouglas · 10/06/2022 11:19

Maybe if you go and stay with a relative for a bit he will realise how much work you do around the house and ask you to come back. Then you could tell him what you need from him to be able to go back home.

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 11:25

There are some really gender biased people here and it shows.

It's no wonder Amber Heard got away with beating Johnny Depp for so long if you're an example of society.

Gettingthingsdone777 · 10/06/2022 11:47

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 11:25

There are some really gender biased people here and it shows.

It's no wonder Amber Heard got away with beating Johnny Depp for so long if you're an example of society.

Are you a man or a woman @Elfblossom ?

LoisLane66 · 10/06/2022 11:47

Would it be an idea to suggest selling up and moving to a house where he could have a room for all his gear, bike stuff, speakers, blah blah, a bit like a man cave/den where he could have as much 'mess' as he likes and it wouldn't be moved?
He sounds a bit fragile ATM. Is he having problems at work that could be playing on his mind?
I'd wait for a calm moment and suggest a quiet talk over coffee or a drink in the garden where you can both rationalise the issues you're currently having. Not a blame game, just a reasonable chat about the future and listen to his needs and he listens to yours without interruption. If you love him and he you, then it's worth trying to salvage the best of the past 25 years and move forward rather than looking over your shoulder at the past which can't ever be altered.
I hope you can settle this hiatus in the best way for the whole family but it will take some negotiation and a calm atmosphere in which to arrive at the optimum outcome.
Best wishes 😁

Alb0 · 10/06/2022 12:28

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 11:25

There are some really gender biased people here and it shows.

It's no wonder Amber Heard got away with beating Johnny Depp for so long if you're an example of society.

@Elfblossom Wow, your post is absolutely disgraceful. Attacking a woman who was raped and abused, because you are for a famous star. NO WONDER women don't come forward with rape and abuse when 'people' like you call women who victims liars. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself! Good on you for letting a rapist and abuser off the hook because you are so gender biased and starstruck!

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 12:52

Alb0 · 10/06/2022 12:28

@Elfblossom Wow, your post is absolutely disgraceful. Attacking a woman who was raped and abused, because you are for a famous star. NO WONDER women don't come forward with rape and abuse when 'people' like you call women who victims liars. You should be utterly ashamed of yourself! Good on you for letting a rapist and abuser off the hook because you are so gender biased and starstruck!

I'm a survivor of Parental abuse, domestic violence & rape..

Amber Heard does NOT represent me or any other survivor.

Genuine victims & survivors will always be believed.

I believed Amber at first too but then I watched the entire trial, read the UK judgment & researched further myself.

For the record - Amber Heard is a liar and it's been proven.

You are wrong and right now, you're the domestic violence apologist.

If you do nothing else then listen to all of this and come back to me.

As for the OP - people here knno nothing but what the OP tells you & you believe it all on face value & respond accordingly... that's not always helpful. Some people read and responded objectively but they were few and far between.

Alb0 · 10/06/2022 13:28

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 12:52

I'm a survivor of Parental abuse, domestic violence & rape..

Amber Heard does NOT represent me or any other survivor.

Genuine victims & survivors will always be believed.

I believed Amber at first too but then I watched the entire trial, read the UK judgment & researched further myself.

For the record - Amber Heard is a liar and it's been proven.

You are wrong and right now, you're the domestic violence apologist.

If you do nothing else then listen to all of this and come back to me.

As for the OP - people here knno nothing but what the OP tells you & you believe it all on face value & respond accordingly... that's not always helpful. Some people read and responded objectively but they were few and far between.

Any man and his dog can knock up a YT clip and upload it. But it's now obvious how you are so misinformed that you actually think a YouTube 'clip' is any sort of evidence. It explains a lot.

It is VERY CLEAR Amber was abused. You, are WRONG. Depp has a history of violence. He has a history of smashing things up. His own words in texts show how violent and abusive and hateful he is. He ADMITTED to headbutting her.

The evidence is available if you just take the time to read. Amber Heard was ever so clearly abused, and you and other Domestic Violence apologists and gaslighters are responsible for women no longer coming forward.

25 years and out for clearing a shelf!
Ortega888 · 10/06/2022 16:01

He sounds very controlling I think you will be better off without him and his tantrums. Is he a narcissist and abusive if so I am so sorry you are going through this. It sounds as if it’s all him 24/7. let us know how you get on.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/06/2022 16:37

Op said they had agreed she would contact the agent.

Superness · 08/06/2022 07:38
We had discussed putting the house on the market. There was a house we liked for sale and we wanted to view it. We agreed I’d contact the agent. I’d never do it without discussing it first

Also
his decks are in the front room, speakers in the kitchen, bike stuff in the washing machine cupboard, third bedroom and our bedroom and the garage

She cleared one messy open shelf which also had stuff belonging to the children. Actually only half a shelf in the hallway, where all the buyers would be walking through. I wouldn't want bike parts on display there either.

We are busy sorting out problem areas before getting a valuation. I can't see why the above is a problem. I think my DH might object (mildly) if I threw away something he valued without asking, but not if I was clearing up and left it out for him to sort through. He'd just be glad I was getting on with it.

Walkaround · 10/06/2022 17:53

@DuckbilledSplatterPuff - I read that as they’d agreed to contact the agent to ask to view the house they were interested in, not to sell their own house. I got the impression the latter wasn’t going to happen if they didn’t like the former.

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 23:14

Alb0 · 10/06/2022 13:28

Any man and his dog can knock up a YT clip and upload it. But it's now obvious how you are so misinformed that you actually think a YouTube 'clip' is any sort of evidence. It explains a lot.

It is VERY CLEAR Amber was abused. You, are WRONG. Depp has a history of violence. He has a history of smashing things up. His own words in texts show how violent and abusive and hateful he is. He ADMITTED to headbutting her.

The evidence is available if you just take the time to read. Amber Heard was ever so clearly abused, and you and other Domestic Violence apologists and gaslighters are responsible for women no longer coming forward.

You didn't watch it did you? Its not a 'knocked up YouTube clip' - it's 15 solid minutes of Amber's own voice, telling the world, or rather 'the people who'll bother listening', that She's the violent one and Depp isn't.

You're sadly deluded and will stay that way because you don't want to see the cold hard facts.

friskybivalves · 11/06/2022 00:10

Poor old OP hasn't been back. So much squabbling in her absence.

Alb0 · 11/06/2022 09:44

Elfblossom · 10/06/2022 23:14

You didn't watch it did you? Its not a 'knocked up YouTube clip' - it's 15 solid minutes of Amber's own voice, telling the world, or rather 'the people who'll bother listening', that She's the violent one and Depp isn't.

You're sadly deluded and will stay that way because you don't want to see the cold hard facts.

No, I never watch YT 'clips', even if it's of fluffy kittens sent by friends. They're all faked. You know clips can be - EDITED - ? She at no stage said Depp wasn't violent. That did not happen. She taped him to prove he was violent so why would she say that? Use some critical thinking. You are lying, brainwashed, deluded or you truly are gullible enough to believe an edited tape.

Depp's OWN WORDS prove he is violent. You are simply so brainwashed by stardom, so deluded that you refuse to see the FACTS. No matter how many time we show them to you, you choose not to listen, not to hear. Depp is abusive. HE ADMITTED IT ON THOSE TAPES, and IN HIS TEXTS. Please wake up!

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TheThreadisMildlyAmusing · 11/06/2022 12:06

friskybivalves · 11/06/2022 00:10

Poor old OP hasn't been back. So much squabbling in her absence.

Absolutely. I doubt she will be back and who can blame her.

Elfblossom · 11/06/2022 14:55

Alb0 · 11/06/2022 09:44

No, I never watch YT 'clips', even if it's of fluffy kittens sent by friends. They're all faked. You know clips can be - EDITED - ? She at no stage said Depp wasn't violent. That did not happen. She taped him to prove he was violent so why would she say that? Use some critical thinking. You are lying, brainwashed, deluded or you truly are gullible enough to believe an edited tape.

Depp's OWN WORDS prove he is violent. You are simply so brainwashed by stardom, so deluded that you refuse to see the FACTS. No matter how many time we show them to you, you choose not to listen, not to hear. Depp is abusive. HE ADMITTED IT ON THOSE TAPES, and IN HIS TEXTS. Please wake up!

Eve Barlow? Is that you?

I'm going to ignore you as of now because I believe you could be shown video of Amber kicking the poop out of Johnny and you'd STILL find some way to shout "AMBER'S THE INNOCENT ONE" soooo yeah! You have a nice life there in your echo chamber of oblivion.

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