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25 years and out for clearing a shelf!

202 replies

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:08

I’m 50 in less than two weeks, have been with my partner for 25 years, we have two school aged children together, and this week It looks like we’ve come to an end. Things aren’t perfect between us but overall we tick along quite nicely until something trivial happens which blows up disproportionately. On this occasion, I was cleaning the house because we were thinking about moving and I’d made an appointment for a valuation. On our hallway staircase, there is a shelf with dp’s bike gear on it plus some of the kids stuff. It’s messy as it’s an open shelf and I thought it would look nice with plants on it instead. I’d asked a few years back for a door to be put on it but it never happened….busy family life and always jobs to do. Anyway, I put some stuff away and other stuff like a bike lid, I put on the kitchen table thinking it was about time it found a new place to live. Well, when dp asked me why his bike stuff was there and I said I’d cleared the shelf because I wanted ‘my’ house’ to look nice, he went ballistic bellowing at me and repeatedly telling me ‘fuck-you’. I said what a disappointment he was for verbally abusing me over cleaning a shelf and spent the night in one of the children's room. Spent the day working but tearful and very upset. Went he came home from work and ignored me, I felt even more upset and I reacted by asking him to leave. He won’t leave. We are unmarried. He says we will sell the house and I will have to deal with the children. He won’t apologise. Apparently I was being abusive trying to remove all trace of him from this house by clearing the shelf and he’s had enough of my abuse. Honestly, his decks are in the front room, speakers in the kitchen, bike stuff in the washing machine cupboard, third bedroom and our bedroom and the garage. It seems so irrational. It’s obviously deeper than the shelf but I can’t tolerate being verbally abused and being told it’s my fault. Where do I go from here?

OP posts:
WindowCurtain · 08/06/2022 06:00

Maurepas · 08/06/2022 05:35

If you were divorcing (which you are not, as not married) you would legally stay in house until the children were 18 years old, I believe.

Why do people write stuff like this? Patronising as fuck.

You can’t force him to leave since the house is owed 50/50 (same as if you was married) and he can’t force you leave or sell the house (same as if you where married).

If you have decided the relationship is over (and don’t want to sell the house now) just simply state the reasons you have mentioned up thread - the children need somewhere to live. He would have to get a (costly) court order to force a sale.

If you do split are you in a position to buy him out?

girlmom21 · 08/06/2022 06:10

You sound controlling and condescending to be fair.

You 'thought it might find a new place to live' without asking him. You moved stuff that's been there for years because it suited you. You told him he was a 'disappointment' for swearing - that's a really bizarre way to phrase things.

Is there any truth in the abuse accusations?

Malariahilaria · 08/06/2022 06:25

Excellent post from Mathanxiety, sounds exactly right. To the posters accusing the OP of controlling behaviour for trying to tidy up a bit, I think you're missing the point somewhat.

girlmom21 · 08/06/2022 06:30

Malariahilaria · 08/06/2022 06:25

Excellent post from Mathanxiety, sounds exactly right. To the posters accusing the OP of controlling behaviour for trying to tidy up a bit, I think you're missing the point somewhat.

She wasn't 'trying to tidy up a bit'.

She took all his stuff off the shelf it's been on for years so she could do what she wants with it so it looks the way she wants for the valuation she booked.

If she'd have put his stuff in a box in a cupboard and explained why he'd probably not have kicked off. Obviously I could be wrong, I don't know him, but she just left it on the table for him to sort, when he was happy with its original location.

I'd like to know if there are other instances of similar things happening as suggesting she's trying to remove all trace of him would make me inclined to believe this isn't the first time there's been a similar issue.

bloodyunicorns · 08/06/2022 06:36

He sounds immature and horrible. For a 50yo man to communicate by bellowing 'fuck you' is pretty poor, then the threats about leaving you with the dc... he has the emotional maturity of a house plant.

I'd be seriously considering my relationship if I were you.

Maurepas · 08/06/2022 06:53

WindowCurtains. Certainly did not mean to be patronising at all! SO SORRY! How would you express what l said? Do you not like the ''if you were married'' bit? - Won't say anymore in case it's also ''patronising''!

Stravaig · 08/06/2022 06:55

Well, the bike gear should all be stored in the garage, with the bike, so I'm with you there! Or, if you have no garage and the bike is parked on the road year-round, then the gear should all be neatly coralled in one place in the house. (My prejudice is that someone who leaves their tools and gear strewn around in a haphazard way doesn't look after their bike very well and isn't the safest rider. So too in life generally.)

That said, if you've never had the conversation, and it begins with you moving his stuff so you can put 'your' house up for sale, I'd expect some reaction, though his seems extreme. If you've both been silently putting up with things instead of communicating then it's going to be a shock when one of you decides 'Enough!' The joint counselling might help you get on the same page?

He doesn't decree how much money he will give you, that's for the courts to determine.

JuneJubilee · 08/06/2022 06:56

I think you've both behaved badly.

does. he want to move, or just you?
did he agree to a valuation or did you just go ahead & book one?
why would you tell him you wanted to 'sort out my house for a valuation?
you'd annoyed/upset him then told him
he was a disappointment- hardly helpful.
Then YOU told him to leave.

he shouldn't have told you to fuck off... but I have some sympathy for the bloke.

Bouledepetanque · 08/06/2022 07:01

What mathanxiety said

Pennox · 08/06/2022 07:08

God he spunds like a dick and his stuff shouldn't be strewn about the hosue. I'm constantly re-arranging where stuff lives in our house as the children get older and develop their own habits and nobody is bothered, if they don't like anything they calmly tell me and we come up with a better solution. Nobody should be verbally abused for innocently tidying up.

I'd put all his stuff in a couple of boxes by the door and tell him to fuck off.

Innocenta · 08/06/2022 07:08

100% agree with @mathanxiety on this.

DasAlteLeid · 08/06/2022 07:14

He sounds dreadful and verbally abusive. I’m amazed PPs are focusing on the shelf nonsense when someone is screaming fuck off in your face and threatening to leave you and your kids homeless. Just for reference, a normal response from him would’ve been: Hey, why did you move my stuff? I’m not very happy about that. Can we chat about it and compromise rather than you just moving stuff without checking.

He sounds like my dreadful BIL, don’t be like my sister and get beaten down by his bullshit until it seems reasonable. See a solicitor about your rights regarding the house and tell him you won’t be spoken to like that (and then LTB).

WindowCurtain · 08/06/2022 07:18

Well it’s an irrelevant comment, it’s not like the OP can go back in time and get married, and also has no baring on the situation.

People normally write things like this on here because they have some snobby attitude to unmarried couples

comfortablyfrumpy · 08/06/2022 07:18

Stravaig · 08/06/2022 06:55

Well, the bike gear should all be stored in the garage, with the bike, so I'm with you there! Or, if you have no garage and the bike is parked on the road year-round, then the gear should all be neatly coralled in one place in the house. (My prejudice is that someone who leaves their tools and gear strewn around in a haphazard way doesn't look after their bike very well and isn't the safest rider. So too in life generally.)

That said, if you've never had the conversation, and it begins with you moving his stuff so you can put 'your' house up for sale, I'd expect some reaction, though his seems extreme. If you've both been silently putting up with things instead of communicating then it's going to be a shock when one of you decides 'Enough!' The joint counselling might help you get on the same page?

He doesn't decree how much money he will give you, that's for the courts to determine.

They aren't married
.
So it wouldn't be up to a Court to determine. If they own in equal shares, that's that unless he decides to give OP more.

dizzydizzydizzy · 08/06/2022 07:19

DasAlteLeid · 08/06/2022 07:14

He sounds dreadful and verbally abusive. I’m amazed PPs are focusing on the shelf nonsense when someone is screaming fuck off in your face and threatening to leave you and your kids homeless. Just for reference, a normal response from him would’ve been: Hey, why did you move my stuff? I’m not very happy about that. Can we chat about it and compromise rather than you just moving stuff without checking.

He sounds like my dreadful BIL, don’t be like my sister and get beaten down by his bullshit until it seems reasonable. See a solicitor about your rights regarding the house and tell him you won’t be spoken to like that (and then LTB).

This.

I get similar from my DP. Told my GP about it because it is making my anxiety worse. She said it was domestic abuse and referred me to Women's Aid. I have just started talking to WA.

Just because somebody has done something you don't like, that doesn't give you the right to yell at you. They should discuss it with you reasonably first.

AyeUpMeDuck · 08/06/2022 07:27

Where do I go from here?

Seems to me that anywhere would be better than living with this idiot for a second longer.

Get thee on Rightmove and have a nose about and a day dream about what life would be like. A place of your own, tidy as you want it, things where you want them etc.
If partner has kids every other weekend, plenty of you time to date and have fun with new people.

An end of a relationship is not the end of life, it is often the beginning of a new lease on life.

dworky · 08/06/2022 07:28

Superness · 07/06/2022 22:42

yes, it was really a very odd outburst. Thankfully the house is owned 50/50 but with three children to house in London, 50% won’t buy much locally. My dd is just getting ready to transfer to secondary school. I feel so sad for the children.

im going to try and sleep now as work tomorrow. Will check in again tomorrow. Thanks all.

Your children are already negatively affected by his abusive behaviour, show them it is unacceptable by not tolerating it.

dumdumduuuummmmm · 08/06/2022 07:34

It sounds like you are both not very considerate of each other. Why do you refer to the house as 'your' house? Do you have a history of controlling what happens in the house? Does he feel like he gets no say? His language was not acceptable however people get pushed to the edge. You both know it can't go on.

Superness · 08/06/2022 07:38

We had discussed putting the house on the market. There was a house we liked for sale and we wanted to view it. We agreed I’d contact the agent. I’d never do it without discussing it first. Use of the word my house was not deliberate. I could see he was upset though at the stuff being moved and I think he would have reacted badly to anything I said. There is a history of me asking him to put his stuff away. He has lots of bike gear in different rooms and it takes over at times. But I’m not trying to erase him from the house like he has said, just keep things relatively tidy and nice.

OP posts:
dumdumduuuummmmm · 08/06/2022 07:43

mathanxiety · 08/06/2022 04:58

I don't think people saying 'If this were a shelf full of woman's things the response would be different' have noticed that this was an open shelf in the hall with bike stuff on it and there is more bike stuff throughout the house.

If a woman kept her watercolour paints, a few camera lenses, or her fishing rods on a shelf in the hall when there were plenty of other places to stow all of this stuff, wouldn't you all be suggesting that she put her stuff away, and asking why the heck it had to be out on display in various inappropriate places?

This man for whatever reason has been marking turf with his bike equipment. It's all over the home. It's the equivalent of pissing on his territory. It's the trappings of a hobby which takes him out of the house and away on the highways and byways and it's clearly one he has invested a huge amount of his identity with. It's a reminder to him of his freedom, and a reminder to the family that he can detach from them.

The OP has inadvertently de-marked the territory. She has put away the tokens he identifies with freedom from the home and family. Hence the explosion of anger.

But that anger also comes from a deep-seated belief that he is not one half of an equal partnership but the lord of the manor, and any change he doesn't command is a challenge to him and to his dominion.

He can't share power. Either he has it or the OP has it. There can be no middle ground. He thinks he has been deposed. That's why he has said to the OP that the house has to be sold and she and the children are now shit on the sole of his shoes.

I suspect in many ways he has already checked out of identifying with the family. It's not as important to him as the bike and the bike parts, and what all of that represents.

Just as likely he is marking territory as he feels like she is controlling and he feels the need to claim his space. It was her after all that refers to it as HER house.

Staynow · 08/06/2022 07:45

I guess the issue for him is that you talk and behave as if it's 'your house' rather than 'our house'? You say in your OP that you moved all his stuff because you wanted 'my house' to look nice - I wonder why you put quote marks around those particular words? His reaction isn't ideal but it's obviously not about you clearing a shelf, it's about him feeling sidelined or erased and I would assume has been going on for some time. I think it's probably just the straw that broke the camels back - which is why small things seem to become big things. He's lashing out but I think from his point of view there may be a lot more back story that led to him getting to that point.

Rosehugger · 08/06/2022 07:46

It's not controlling to.tolerate bike crap on an open shelf in the hall for years when it should have been put away somewhere, it's extremely patient.

CaptSkippy · 08/06/2022 07:48

Your partner really has this DARVO crap down pat.

Time to get your ducks in a row. Make sure you have copies of all the important paperwork and start making plans to leave.

Phineyj · 08/06/2022 07:48

Yeah, as someone married to a bike collecting hoarder, I suspect mathanxiety has it about right! But my DH would totally get that house viewers don't want to see bike bits.

Butterfly44 · 08/06/2022 07:48

It wasn't the shelf. It's more likely the fact you said you're clearing up "MY" house. Is it yours or both of yours?

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