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I stayed over.

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hairtwirl · 23/05/2022 10:56

Third date on Saturday
He insisted I stayed over instead of Uber home - I was happy as night had gone well
No sex

Had been talking 6-8 weeks

He had worked away in the middle so did not see each other then

He said 'see you soon' when I left in the morning and all seemed fairly normal from my point of view. I left about 10am on Sunday

NC from him since I left. Did text yesterday to hope his work day had went well but no response

Bad sign?

For context he is a 'bad texter' and frequently leaves 12-24 hours with text replies and will respond something thoughful. I suppose I probably just feel sensitive as we cuddled and kissed the whole night - but we have never spoken about anything heavy / exclusive / had intercourse. I was happy with way things were going

I seen anti depressants in his bathroom which is no problem for me - but makes me think I should go easy on him and not jump to conclusions about his contact style

OP posts:
Stravaig · 24/05/2022 12:03

@hairtwirl ❤️

dustofneptune · 24/05/2022 12:11

Ugh god, OP. These situations suck, and I think it's fair and valid to just accept that they suck. There's no other way around it.

It's like... you are into someone... you think it's going so well, you start "envisioning" (lol) a future with them... you get closer, intimate, vulnerable - and then the sinking feeling happens. You just know that they are about to end it, but you don't understand why. The radio silence continues just long enough for you to torture yourself with how you possibly turned them off. Then you start trying to find traits you didn't like about them, to prepare yourself ahead of time for the feeling of rejection. Then, just as you think you'll be able to drop it in peace and never hear from them again, they write an infuriatingly semi-kind message, rejecting you. Which makes you think maybe they're actually really decent, which makes the rejection worse.

Of course you feel like a deflated balloon. Dating is an emotional rollercoaster. It's happened to me more times than I can even count.

What I tell myself now is that if something is compatible, it will just stick, and that will be it. There won't be all of the dancing around and neurotic over-thinking and stressing. It will just work itself out pretty easily. Therefore, if someone rejects me, they've done me a solid, because it's leaving my life open for more good stuff that actually works for me (whether single or in a relationship - doesn't matter).

For what it's worth, putting bits of what you've said together, it sounds like me like he wanted to put a wall up, because he wasn't confident about himself in relation to you. He wanted some company and attention and excitement, but isn't ready for a relationship/sex/dating/intimacy at the level he thinks he'd need to be at to be in a relationship with you.

I actually dated someone I felt this way about earlier this year. I was really deeply attracted to her, but she was way more accomplished, wealthy, well-travelled, and "together" than I am. I felt like a child in comparison to her, and I felt like I couldn't keep up if we'd gotten together. Either way, it didn't change my feelings for her. But it did make me feel that we were incompatible, and I couldn't picture us being in an actual relationship.

So I'd say he wants it on his terms, yes. He'd rather have you around than not have you around, but he doesn't want you to expect anything at all from him. He's communicating in various ways that he's emotionally unavailable - to you, or in general. He would feel more comfortable with someone he feels is at his "level" - whatever that might be. It's an unconscious feeling and is not necessarily anything to do with attraction towards you, but more to do with his feelings about himself in relation to you.

JinglingHellsBells · 24/05/2022 12:11

Bloody hell @Stravaig You might couch your posts in 'therapy speak' (sit with you so you explore your feelings) but what you are clearly saying is that the OP is wrong to post what she has and (worse) feel like she does.

Maybe I've got the wrong end of your posts, but they come over as passive aggressive. you try to disguise your criticism in 'therapy speak' but at the same time it's obvious you think the OP is at fault for focusing on this man, rather than blaming herself.

I really hope you are not a counsellor in real life.

The OP is fully entitled to her emotions and responses and it's not your role to dismiss them, however you try to dress up your disapproval.

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 12:28

dustofneptune · 24/05/2022 12:11

Ugh god, OP. These situations suck, and I think it's fair and valid to just accept that they suck. There's no other way around it.

It's like... you are into someone... you think it's going so well, you start "envisioning" (lol) a future with them... you get closer, intimate, vulnerable - and then the sinking feeling happens. You just know that they are about to end it, but you don't understand why. The radio silence continues just long enough for you to torture yourself with how you possibly turned them off. Then you start trying to find traits you didn't like about them, to prepare yourself ahead of time for the feeling of rejection. Then, just as you think you'll be able to drop it in peace and never hear from them again, they write an infuriatingly semi-kind message, rejecting you. Which makes you think maybe they're actually really decent, which makes the rejection worse.

Of course you feel like a deflated balloon. Dating is an emotional rollercoaster. It's happened to me more times than I can even count.

What I tell myself now is that if something is compatible, it will just stick, and that will be it. There won't be all of the dancing around and neurotic over-thinking and stressing. It will just work itself out pretty easily. Therefore, if someone rejects me, they've done me a solid, because it's leaving my life open for more good stuff that actually works for me (whether single or in a relationship - doesn't matter).

For what it's worth, putting bits of what you've said together, it sounds like me like he wanted to put a wall up, because he wasn't confident about himself in relation to you. He wanted some company and attention and excitement, but isn't ready for a relationship/sex/dating/intimacy at the level he thinks he'd need to be at to be in a relationship with you.

I actually dated someone I felt this way about earlier this year. I was really deeply attracted to her, but she was way more accomplished, wealthy, well-travelled, and "together" than I am. I felt like a child in comparison to her, and I felt like I couldn't keep up if we'd gotten together. Either way, it didn't change my feelings for her. But it did make me feel that we were incompatible, and I couldn't picture us being in an actual relationship.

So I'd say he wants it on his terms, yes. He'd rather have you around than not have you around, but he doesn't want you to expect anything at all from him. He's communicating in various ways that he's emotionally unavailable - to you, or in general. He would feel more comfortable with someone he feels is at his "level" - whatever that might be. It's an unconscious feeling and is not necessarily anything to do with attraction towards you, but more to do with his feelings about himself in relation to you.

This is such a lovely lovely post. It is so nice to get another point of view.

I think we can speculate till the cows come home but the reality is what he has messaged for whatever reason it needs to be respected.

I remember a couple of times I have 'finished' with guys after this period of time and been met with a wall of utter abuse (pages and pages and pages of whys - and how could I do this). Horrible.

OP posts:
Minoloso · 24/05/2022 12:40

It’s so weird that some posters are criticising the OP quite harshly. This thread has been the most balanced and intelligent I have read for some time on Mumsnet.

Shagforamillionquid · 24/05/2022 12:45

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 08:13

I think it is very common. I do have a male friend who is 'avoidant attachment' he goes on like this but says he genuinely likes the woman. But obviously they assume he is not interested so stop responding to them. Once he invited someone for a third date for a weekend away out of the blue - it was for Friday. He texted them that morning to cancel because he had changed his mind, it was too much for him, and far too intense. Despite it being all his idea to begin with. Only last weekend he had arranged a second date with a girl - she messaged to confirm and he left her on delivered. Despite last weekend saying how great a catch she was and how much he was looking forward to seeing her - he did a 180. He also never, ever texts daily and leaves long gaps between his messages. He is adament he is looking for a long term partner.

Fuck me. This sounds exactly like a guy I met. Avoidant are the worst cunts to deal with. So much headfuck.

JinglingHellsBells · 24/05/2022 12:55

@hairtwirl Try to put it behind you. IMO this guy behaved badly. It's only my opinion but I feel it was wrong of him to ask you to stay over.

There ought to be very clear communication on this and why he wanted you to stay over.

1 He's being a perfect gentleman, ensuring you are safe, as going home would be unwise. He offers you a spare bed or his and sleeps in another room.

2 You both have the hots for each other and have sex, willingly, with eyes wide open aware it may or may not lead to relationship or another date.

If he is 37, offering his bed and a fumble is not good enough. It's making you feel he cares, but within 24 hours he has set out his own boundaries of maybe a FWB or just a friend.

He isn't worth your time analysing it any more.

thevanilla · 24/05/2022 13:17

you got made partner in a sexual health clinic? How does that work? Are you in America or private practice?

me4real · 24/05/2022 13:27

You then proceed to share a lot of personal information about his mental health and his sexual health on a public forum with random strangers.

It's completely anonymous. It's not like anxiety, sexual dysfunction and being crap is rare and would identify him.

He sends a perfectly reasonable reply, within a totally normal timeframe

It's not a normal timeframe for people who're dating IRL, especially as it's different from how quickly he was replying before. It did make it seem like the difference was related to what happened when OP stayed over and he had a hairtrigger incident, as his change in text habits was immediately after it.

Laiste · 24/05/2022 14:03

No need for awkwardness at yoga OP. Bright and friendly. Life's too short and you sound too good for all this angst😃

And please ... at the next class, if he happens to have got there before you, say loudly

''Oh Hi there [name]. You've come early!'' And breeze into class 😅

Laiste · 24/05/2022 14:05

No actually don't do this obvs. Childish. <smacks own hand> Would've been funny though

mosside · 24/05/2022 15:04

Laiste · 24/05/2022 14:03

No need for awkwardness at yoga OP. Bright and friendly. Life's too short and you sound too good for all this angst😃

And please ... at the next class, if he happens to have got there before you, say loudly

''Oh Hi there [name]. You've come early!'' And breeze into class 😅

🤣😂🤣

loopycurtains · 24/05/2022 15:10

Superb 😂😂😂😂😂

DinasCopUniform · 24/05/2022 16:19

Laiste · 24/05/2022 14:03

No need for awkwardness at yoga OP. Bright and friendly. Life's too short and you sound too good for all this angst😃

And please ... at the next class, if he happens to have got there before you, say loudly

''Oh Hi there [name]. You've come early!'' And breeze into class 😅

Genius 🤣🤣

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 16:24

Hes texted to say he would be keen to meet up to discuss expectations and relationship.
He seems quite communicative now. More so than before.

He said he would like to have a friendship but does not want anything more.

It is quite interesting how different he has been after this sleep over. He did not want to discuss any of this last week.

OP posts:
hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 16:24

Laiste · 24/05/2022 14:03

No need for awkwardness at yoga OP. Bright and friendly. Life's too short and you sound too good for all this angst😃

And please ... at the next class, if he happens to have got there before you, say loudly

''Oh Hi there [name]. You've come early!'' And breeze into class 😅

I love this 😂

OP posts:
ProudThrilledHappy · 24/05/2022 16:34

Honestly it sounds like he wants a no strings fuck buddy. You didn’t bite so now he wants to meet up to overanalyse everything and make you his personal therapist.

Unless you are up for being dangled at arms length with sporadic hints of more affection to keep you sweet, I would walk away op

DaisyQuakeJohnson · 24/05/2022 16:39

I thought you had blocked him. Don't read any more messages. Move on.

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 16:40

ProudThrilledHappy · 24/05/2022 16:34

Honestly it sounds like he wants a no strings fuck buddy. You didn’t bite so now he wants to meet up to overanalyse everything and make you his personal therapist.

Unless you are up for being dangled at arms length with sporadic hints of more affection to keep you sweet, I would walk away op

I just messaged to say that this is all a bit odd now. I said it was interesting he is now able to clearly communicate relationship expectations after having an intimate evening. I have declined the invitation for friendship for now.

I am actually feeling quite relieved. Which is an odd emotion I didnt expect to have.

OP posts:
JinglingHellsBells · 24/05/2022 16:42

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 16:24

Hes texted to say he would be keen to meet up to discuss expectations and relationship.
He seems quite communicative now. More so than before.

He said he would like to have a friendship but does not want anything more.

It is quite interesting how different he has been after this sleep over. He did not want to discuss any of this last week.

So this is another recent text @hairtwirl ? Like since you posted last?

Do you feel there is anything to discuss?

He has said he wants to be your friend.

Is that what you want?

I can't see why he wants to discuss 'expectations and a relationship' - he has discussed HIS feelings. He just wants you as a friend.

Men don't usually ask a woman to stay over, have a fumble, and then say they want to meet to say (again) that they only want to be a friend.

My guess is, he's embarrassed now, is worried about how you might behave in yoga, and wants to be 'forgiven' so he's not 'the bad guy' in all of this.

Personally, I'd say there is nothing to discuss, he's made himself perfectly clear and wish him all the best for the future.

JinglingHellsBells · 24/05/2022 16:45

One thing I missed in my previous post was...

You mention he didn't want to discuss relationship expectations sooner (ie on your first or second dates, I assume.)

Did you? Did you try to start that conversation?
Is it something you would normally do? (so soon?)

Fair enough if, in your early 30s you are looking for a long term relationship and want children. So did you hope he'd say what he wanted too?

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 16:46

@JinglingHellsBells no I do not want to be friends but I wish him well.

OP posts:
loopycurtains · 24/05/2022 16:51

I'm as certain as I can be, having not met him but having been through the brutality of dating these days, that by 'friends' he means FWB. I would bet every penny I possess. Otherwise, if all he meant was just friends, why the need for meeting up to discuss expectations etc? It's all so boringly predictable. But quite why he thinks you'd settle for that, when he seems to offer very little sexually, I can't imagine. What a dick.

hairtwirl · 24/05/2022 16:52

JinglingHellsBells · 24/05/2022 16:45

One thing I missed in my previous post was...

You mention he didn't want to discuss relationship expectations sooner (ie on your first or second dates, I assume.)

Did you? Did you try to start that conversation?
Is it something you would normally do? (so soon?)

Fair enough if, in your early 30s you are looking for a long term relationship and want children. So did you hope he'd say what he wanted too?

On reflection I tried to bring it up. But he shut it down, which is a red flag I probably missed. I also tried to bring up his past relationship history and that was shut down quite quickly too.

I asked when he was last in a relationship - how long he had been single for and he said 'is this a job interview'.

Probably another marker of unavailability I should have picked up on but you live and learn I suppose.

OP posts:
Catspyjamas01 · 24/05/2022 16:52

Please don’t engage with him any more. I doubt he wants to be friends, he’s worried you’ve gone off him and either wants to keep you dangling for his own ego or so he can keep you as a fuck buddy. I have experienced this so many times, it’s a head fuck.

You probably feel relieved because he is engaging with you now. I would say you need to get to the stage where you are totally indifferent to him.