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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

202 replies

johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
QforCucumber · 09/05/2022 06:13

Relationships aren’t supposed to be this hard.

why are you changing yourself and doing so much to please him, and him doing absolutely nothing for you?

leave, make your life a million times easier

AssignedBlobbyAtBirth · 09/05/2022 06:13

It's all about him isn't it? What a selfish fucker
I think the relationship is over and you should prioritise yourself

PermanentTemporary · 09/05/2022 06:16

I couldn't do this. I couldn't have anything like a decent sex life with someone so terrible in bed and so critical.

If he loves you, he's not showing it. Never mind whether he says it or not.

If the relationship is better than it sounds, maybe couples/sex therapy to help him with his obsessive throwing up barriers to sex. But I think I'd be out of there. I'm sorry.

marriednotdead · 09/05/2022 06:16

I have skim read through and was at ‘run’ before I got halfway.
He doesn’t sound in any way good for you and your self worth, never mind future husband material!
Please stop trying to fit his warped idea of the perfect woman, take some time out/do the Freedom Programme and then you will see that the right man will love and accept you as you are.

Mucado12 · 09/05/2022 06:16

This point now. Give up

i know it’s not what you want to hear but you deserve to have some who tells you they love you, they don’t criticise you in your most vulnerable moments, they make you feel wanted. He’s playing games and manipulating you, you do what he asks and it’s still not good enough.

You’re so young and you deserve to find real happiness

PeterpiperpickedapeckofpickledPEPPAS · 09/05/2022 06:18

Dump him!
You don’t need this overly critical nonsense. He’s told you he won’t marry you, which is something you seem to want. He’s not given any indication he loves you, which you’ve clearly explained is important to you.. And now he’s proposing you literally perform for him like a porn star after which he will critique your performance. Wtf. Where is your pleasure supposed to fit into that?
Dump him and find someone who appreciates you and will tell you he appreciates you. You’re only 26 and have the confidence to know you are attractive. Don’t waste your time and effort on a loser who doesn’t seem to believe in long term relationships.

Scabbyknackers · 09/05/2022 06:22

He's tying you up in mental knots. Nothing will ever be right for him, he's a crazymaker. Why is it up to you to be 'taught' how to have sex to his liking, for your brain to 'develop'? He gives you feedback and uses porn as a teaching aide? He is ruined by porn for one thing, that much is evident. Nobody mature thinks that porn is a blueprint for good sex. It is directed the way it is for visual titillation. He is also withholding emotional closeness and criticising so many aspects of your relationship, making them your responsibility.

Why did you move in so fast?

Rrrunrunrunrunrun · 09/05/2022 06:23

Now. You give up now and RUN away from him without looking back. Why are you staying in yhis relationship?

Scabbyknackers · 09/05/2022 06:24

Point is it doesn't matter why but this won't get better. Everything you've used is enough to indicate this will not get better. You can, however, do better. Even being alone is better. Dump this guy before your confidence is wrecked.

Scabbyknackers · 09/05/2022 06:24

**following on from.my comment

cameocat · 09/05/2022 06:25

Give up now, you deserve better.

SpringIntoChaos · 09/05/2022 06:25

You say that you're now 'invested' in this relationship, that you love him and 'want to have sex with him'!!!

WHY? Seriously...why?!?

I can't imagine how anyone would be anything other than repulsed!

Get away from this monster...it won't get any better than it is right now...and right now it is utterly shitty!

LoveSpringDaffs · 09/05/2022 06:25

Don't waste your best years on this areshole. His behaviour is NOT acceptable & you deserve to be lived & treated much better than this.

LoveSpringDaffs · 09/05/2022 06:26

Lived = loved

BelleTheBananas · 09/05/2022 06:29

You have permission from the whole of Mumsnet to leave this horrifically abusive ‘man’ without explanation or apology.

Get your stuff, go, don’t look back.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/05/2022 06:29

He is appalling to say the very least and yet another man who has and continues to treat you abusively.
look at what you learnt about relationships when you were growing up.
You grew up never hearing the phrase I love you or being told this by me who further went onto mistreat you. This sexually coercive man is of a similar nature to them, he is also holding that against you.

I would urge you to separate from him now and get therapy for your own self re unlearning the shitty lessons you were taught about relationships, this man is not what you deserve. Love your own self for a change and enrol yourself onto the Freedom Programme. Your boundaries already skewed by previous abuse, are being further eroded by this man now.

Shoxfordian · 09/05/2022 06:30

So many red flags
🚩
Dump him and find yourself some therapy; don’t date again until you have some self esteem

cloudcats · 09/05/2022 06:31

Please, leave.

Ask yourself, would you ever speak to him, or treat him like this? How would you approach it if you didn't like something he did in bed?

Would you ever have the gall to say something to him like his mouth was to wide open or he should act more like a porn star?

It's "no" to all the above, right?

The reason you would not do these things and he does is that you are a reasonable, compassionate and kind human being and he, quite simply, isn't.

Please stop trying to understand him or please him. He is mistreating you and you deserve better, that's all that matters.

You are going, you have your whole life ahead of you please ditch this absolute arsehole and start living it.

Do you have real life support from friends or family? Tell them he's treating you badly and you want to leave, if you can. It really helps to say it out loud in my experience.

HollowTalk · 09/05/2022 06:31

I hope you read back your post and understand what we can see here. You must be walking on eggshells around this dreadful man. How can you stand it?

He is undermining you on every single level. Everything you do is wrong. He doesn't know what he wants but he does know that what you are doing and who you are is what he doesn't want.

I think what you should do is not move with him now. I'm not sure why the move is taking place, but assume it's because of him. Honestly your life would improve immeasurably if you left him.

Your post is one of the saddest things I've read on here. You are so young and you deserve so so much better than this.

Please don't think that things will improve. They really really won't.

OnTheBenchOfDoom · 09/05/2022 06:31

You deserve so much more than this man offers you. He belittles you, makes you feel like you are doing everything wrong and successful relationships should not be this hard. You are changing who you are for him, this is never going to work out in the long run. He is messed up and you are not his therapy.

If you are so shit at sex (according to him) why is he still with you? Because you are his daily ego boost, he wants to put you down to make himself feel better. He wants you jumping through hoops, trying to work out what will make him happy today. It must be exhausting. Do not move with him. The whole brain not developed until you are 29? That is to keep you dangling. Dh and I got married when I was 25 and I had Ds1 at 29. Sure felt developed enough. Oh and we have been together over 25 years and we laugh every day with each other. We love spending time together, he shows me that he loves me every day. It isn't about the words but in the way someone treats you.

You need to end this relationship and possibly get some counselling to work out why you think this is a healthy relationship and why you stayed. You deserve better.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 09/05/2022 06:33

Run
you are so young
you deserve someone that


  • you have fun with

  • that enjoys your clearly enthusiastic sexuality

  • is KIND

as for watching porn to teach you how to have sex
NO

you are 26
hou deserve so much better

Oblomov22 · 09/05/2022 06:33

This is so bad. And the fact you don't know it is, is worrying. Would you say would were emotionally astute, because you don't sound it.

thewallisblue · 09/05/2022 06:33

This guy has serious issues. Run for the hills!!

Somanysocks · 09/05/2022 06:35

Please value yourself. He is abusive. He doesn't sound as if he likes you let alone loves you.

Leave him and find a man who will cherish you, or be on your own for a while to learn to love yourself and rebuild some self worth.

CatsOperatingInGangs · 09/05/2022 06:35

LTB

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