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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

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johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
blueagain · 09/05/2022 09:33

The point to end it is now. I gave up reading your post halfway through because it’s exhausting! You must be worn out. He’s not right, he’s not normal…I have NEVER had a bloke this weird or hard work. You must know that the way he talks and behaves is not typical or right or normal. Most men don’t behave the way he does. In any area. He is strange and has huge issues that you can’t resolve. He needs intensive professional help to even be a halfway decent partner. He is NOT good BF material. I don’t understand why you picked this man? How did you even get together when he talks the way he does? Your upbringing means you tolerate crap. Ditch and move on. Write a bullet point list of the things you want from a partner and to date and find it. Saying”I love you” every day is NORMAL for a young BF/GF. Start there. Find someone who wants you. You are not yet 30. The world is your oyster. Move to a new big city, go do a fun house share with people your own age. Go to Uni. Start a new job. Join clubs. For gods sakes go live your life!! Ditch this joyless ball and chain.

tuliplover · 09/05/2022 09:33

I couldn't read your whole post as I'd already thought you needed to end this after first few paragraphs. He sounds very controlling and manipulative.
Healthy relationships don't work like this.

lilkiki · 09/05/2022 09:33

Haven’t read the thread (sorry I know that’s annoying)
he sounds horrible like truly horrible and yoj actually sound like a great shag; he doesn’t know what he’s doing and is blaming you because he’s a crap fuck

Veol · 09/05/2022 09:35

His porn sex teaching idea is so deeply unattractive, it would make me want to vomit and never have sex with him again. He also sounds nauseatingly patronising and arrogant. You will end up dumping the creep at some point, so you might as well do it sooner rather than later and move on with you life.

Branleuse · 09/05/2022 09:41

Throw this one back in the sea before he fucks with you any more. He sounds exhausting

GingerFigs · 09/05/2022 09:41

OP - your last paragraph starts with asking what is the best solution. The best solution is to fuck him right off!!!! You deserve so much better.

What an absolute mind fuck he is doing to you. Get rid of him. And do it now.

balalake · 09/05/2022 09:47

You deserve better. Time to end the relationship.

NewandNotImproved · 09/05/2022 09:55

Dump him. Obviously.

Ourlady · 09/05/2022 09:57

You are wasting your precious life on that selfish, abusive, absolute twat of a person. Please do not let him diminish what you are. You sound so lovely and giving and deserve so much more.

caringcarer · 09/05/2022 10:05

Seriously this man is a nightmare. He does not tell you he loves you after 3 years, he probably does not. He criticizes you when you want to be loving with him. He now wants to imitate a porn star. Before long he will want to be your pimp. Why are you putting up with it. Where is your self worth? You are entitled to a loving partner who will love you as you are are tell you too. Dump him off and don't move with him.

Neverendingmindfuck · 09/05/2022 10:07

Please do yourself a MASSIVE FAVOUR and DO NOT MOVE ANYWHERE WITH THIS PRICK.
He is a controlling cunt who really has you where he wants you. On your knees and confused, blaming yourself for HIS BEHAVIOUR.
Leave now, today. Go to a friends or a family members and block him on all platforms. He will try and persuade you that you are wrong and you should go back otherwise.
You really shouldn't.
When you are free and the fog has lifted you will see what a fuck up this man is and I encourage you to get some counselling to ensure you don't get with another wanker like him again 💐

Seraphinesupport · 09/05/2022 10:17

red flags all over this one

Sswhinesthebest · 09/05/2022 10:19

I only had to read the title and my answer was

“A long time ago” - after three years and not being told ILY that’s not healthy.

He is never going to be happy and he’s got you so you are running round after him desperate to please him.

Grab hold of your self respect and tell him to do one. Real life isn’t a porn movie.

CheesyWeez · 09/05/2022 10:20

Why the cross-country move OP? Is it a move for your work, his work, to study?

You are a prize OP, leave him and live your best life without him. How dare he criticise everything you do like that! You'd be much better on your own.
At 26 the world is your oyster.

Release him to live his best life too - he can go and moan by himself instead of dragging you down.

I did exactly the same at your age dumping a man, whom I loved, but he just wasn't improving my life as much as I deserved. I had a great time single and working on my career for a couple of years then met and married an amazing romantic man and we still love each other for who we are and and not for what we have seen online.

On a practical note about having the talk, making the split, it sounds like he might just go without a fuss as he doesn't think you're up to his standards. Use the upcoming move to advance the split. Let him move across the country if it's for him, and don't go yourself. Or move by yourself if it's for you.

When you're gone he might regret it. So get/rent a small place for yourself now, go to it and set up by yourself (plan ahead if that step will cause you a problem when it comes to it).

Good luck OP I think you might miss the sex with him but not really anything else.

Zilla1 · 09/05/2022 10:22

He hasn't ended the relationship yet as he hasn't finished destroying your personality would be my estimate.

myceliumama · 09/05/2022 10:23

I gave up reading at his list of your sexual faults. It's all HIMHIMHIMHIMHIMHIMHIM isn't it?

Op, in the nicest way you have admitted that your past /childhood has left you attracted to arseholes that treat you badly. He is just another arsehole, but this one is stringing you asking, forcing you to voluntarily bend and twist yourself to whatever form suits HIM today. Ask on the promise of hun saying " I love you ". I get it, we're at want to be loved. But , and I say this as gently as I can, this is Absolutely NOT what love is. It's not what love looks like , that's not how it feels. Its not constantly bending under pressure to change from your OH.

You need to leave this idiot and be on your own. Invest some time/money into some really top notch psychotherapy to help you unlock your childhood trauma, denial of love etc and how that's meant you are repeatedly going after men that carry on forcing the same trauma into you. You are with so much more than this.

CrotchetyQuaver · 09/05/2022 10:26

Jesus. You dump him - this is all about controlling you. It will only get worse.

30mph · 09/05/2022 10:36

You're his puppet on a string. Cut the strings. Run and don't look back. Raise your standards. You deserve so much better than this.

BemoreDerek · 09/05/2022 10:43

He is what I call a headfucker, he is deliberately and systematically messing with your head and destroying your self esteem and confidence. And it's working, have a think about who you were before this relationship and whether this man has changed you for the better, or turned you into a shadow of the person you were? I already know the answer (as does anyone reading even part of your OP) and I'm hoping it will open your eyes to how damaging his behaviour is to you, he's taking you apart piece by piece and he doing it on purpose.

Please get away from him, you'll be amazed how quickly it will all become clear when he's not there in your ear telling you how defective you are. Do you have family or friends you could stay with for a bit? The best thing you could do now is run to someone who knows and loves you so they can remind you who you were before he started fucking with your head.

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 10:48

Imitate porn stars???!!!!

The correct term.for porn star is porn actress .... and the clue is in that word.

They are actresses annd they are ACTING.

In mainstream porn Porn actresses and actors for that matter act out scenarios abd sex sets that appeal to their almost exclusively male audience for them.to masturbate to.

It is not rea, as such

Even porn avtirs avd actresses who are sometimes in relationships or married do not have sex alone theg way they are required to/told to in porn movies.

It is not realistic sex ot is not authentic, and above all in most cases it is not equal or considerate of the female actor.

I have yet to see one female porn actress look like she's experienced a real orgasm.

He is a loony tune.

Likewise either the mature brain comment ... that's 21 at latest.

He soundz generally like incredibly hard work, can't be pleased.

He sounds like an abuser to be honest.

He's definitely crazy in the coconut.

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 10:50

If you were 46 I'd be telling you to gtf away from him, at 26 ....

Save yourself.

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 10:51
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JulesRimetStillGleaming · 09/05/2022 10:52

Your post is very long but this stood out

The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination

The person who loves you genuinely will not be able to stop telling and showing you how much they love you. You haven't met the right person yet. End this relationship. You are so young and have plenty of time to find the right person.

CloudPine · 09/05/2022 10:53

Likewise either the mature brain comment ... that's 21 at latest.

It's 25.
Shame his has not matured at all.

IncompleteSenten · 09/05/2022 10:53

The time to give up was 2 years ago or the first time he told you you were bad at sex, whichever came first.

Don't waste another minute on him.

He's horrendous and I feel so sorry for you that you think so little of yourself that you've stayed with this pig.

You deserve much, much better.