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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

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johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
Flippanty · 09/05/2022 08:23

Bin him off, immediately

MrsWooster · 09/05/2022 08:24

He is very clearly telling you who he is (a not very nice person) and what he feels about you (somewhere between contempt and revulsion).
You need to listen.
Try and access some therapy to try and explore why you think this is all you deserve for your life- reread your op and imagine it was written by your future daughter, or a close friend, and think about what you would say to them.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 09/05/2022 08:27

He is a disgrace of a human being who will destroy your life if you carry on with this. Please get rid of him and find someone who loves and cares for you. He does not say he loves you because he doesn't. You deserve so much better. Some counselling to help you build up your self esteem would be a very good thing.

bestbefore · 09/05/2022 08:29

I can't even read it all but please dump him, he sounds awful. Not saying I love you, it really shouldn't be that hard...

SmileyClare · 09/05/2022 08:32

I read an analogy about abusive partners recently which rang true for me.

An abusive partner is like a spoilt child who sees a beautiful butterfly and wants to own it. He gently coaxes it into his palm and grips his hand over it. His fist gets tighter, he doesn't care about the butterflies feelings, he sees it as his possession.

His fist is tight enough to crush the butterfly's wings and when he opens his hands the butterfly is too weak to fly away.
At that point, he's ready to discard it and look for a new possession or will take pleasure in hurting it further.

Windmillwhirl · 09/05/2022 08:33

He's got you convinced you are not good enough. HE and his patronising and critical attitude is the problem.

I'd strongly urge you to read and reread all these responses. We can't all be wrong. He is an asshole.

poetryandwine · 09/05/2022 08:35

I am so sad for you, that you have stayed with this despicable excuse for a human being this long. My views have been expressed above. I am only bothering to write in the hopes that the more people who tell you how awful this is, the more seriously you will take it.

I agree with a PP that when (not if) you break up with him, he may start telling you that he loves you. He may even believe it. Ignore him. It really is a choice between him or your sanity

Get rid of him and rediscover yourself

Rainbowqueeen · 09/05/2022 08:39

He sounds like a porn addict who sees sex as a performance by you for him. Yuck
Don’t move. Was the move his idea? Will it isolate you from friends and family?

He sounds like an abuser in the making

MrsSiriusBlack1 · 09/05/2022 08:40

I cringed for you reading this, he’s going to totally ruin your self esteem if you don’t leave him, he already! This is so far from a loving partner, he wants a sex doll with no feelings, bin him and get counselling, you’re worth so much more than this horrible man.

Iamnotamermaid · 09/05/2022 08:41

This is not a two way relationship. Yes, things evolve after a couple of years. The honeymoon period ends and the relationship matures and gets better or descend into a death spiral.

Right now it looks like you are starting to go into a death spiral. Your DP's attitude is shit and this is not a partner who has your back. Cut your losses and move on.

ermagerdabear · 09/05/2022 08:43

Omg, DUMP HIM! Run away as fast as you can. He's an arsehole and you deserve so much better than this. He will ruin you if this continues.

SmileyClare · 09/05/2022 08:49

He sounds like an abuser in the making

I think he's an abuser now. What Op has described is emotional and sexual abuse.

It's not helpful to look at possible reasons why he behaves like this. You say he has been affected by his upbringing. You cannot rescue him or change him by behaving differently.

Nothing you do will change how he treats you x

Crazykatie · 09/05/2022 08:51

You are 26 and in your prime, don’t waste any more time dump him now, it problem is him not you.

EatTheToast · 09/05/2022 08:52

That sounds so stressful. Yes we should communicate about sex but it should also be organic and natural. You need to leave before he totally destroys all of your confidence.

Getupoffthesofa · 09/05/2022 08:53

please listen to everyone.
This is not a way to live
he is not kind and he is not living
he is critical and undermining
yoh are on eggshells, you are moderating your behaviour
you are not free to be yourself
he does not love you as you are
please get therapy
definitely definitely
LEAVE

Getupoffthesofa · 09/05/2022 08:54

Also don’t make excuses for his behaviour. I wasted years of my life making excuses for someone who ground me down. I never really recovered.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 09/05/2022 08:55

He’s disgusting. And wants to use you like a porn fucktoy. Buy him a blow up “girl” and leave it as your goodbye gift-and don’t Sign a new lease. Run-he’s a big red flag and no one is allowed to pull you down like that, least of all your life partner who is supposed to have your back no matter what.

DarleneSnell · 09/05/2022 09:02

At 26 your whole life is ahead of you, it would be utter insanity to waste even another day on this mean man. He doesn't love you, cut your losses and end it today. Don't limp on until your 30s and then make the decision. Do it now.

Cantthinkofanewusername · 09/05/2022 09:06

Hes a controlling bully and porn addict. You can do so much better than him. Disentangle yourself from this unhappy relationship and find domeone who treats you as an equal partner and enhances your life

pinkpapaya · 09/05/2022 09:07

He is wierd and controlling and no way should he make you feel so bad about yourself intimately. It sounds as though you have been doing all sorts of acrobatics to keep this man happy in bed and it still isn't good enough. The problem isn't you sweetie, it is him. Also, does he have someone on the side? men can often stick with one woman because the setup is convenient but have someone else on the side - it is my experience that when men are SO critical, they are either controlling and/or abusive OR they have someone else. It doesn't really matter which it is, I would advise you to leave and find someone who values you, loves you and treats you with respect. Good luck!

MaudieandMe · 09/05/2022 09:08

You’re far too young to keep trying to change yourself and saddle yourself with a loser. Work on your confidence and learn to love yourself. This is your only life so live it well and follow your own path.

Ditch him now rather than waste your perfect youth on this pillock. Sadly, one of my friends stayed with her awful boyfriend who got slowly more argumentative and nasty. She always did what he told her and because of him, they never had children, even though she wanted them. She also stopped applying for better jobs and got stuck in a crappy job and was then made redundant. He died of a heart attack about a year ago and she’s now in her late 50’s with little to show for her efforts, having wasted her best years on a selfish prick.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 09/05/2022 09:10

Chuck him and sign up for counselling to help yourself establish proper healthy boundaries.

Pigglesworth · 09/05/2022 09:10

He sounds horrible. His behaviour is deeply abnormal - not saying "I love you" after 3 years, and his entitled criticism. He sounds like he is taking you for granted and treating you with increasing contempt. I think you should dump him and move on to enjoy life with a nice, normal, appreciative guy.

BringbackSecretchocolatebar · 09/05/2022 09:15

No, just...no. This is abusive.

CoralPaperweight · 09/05/2022 09:16

Oh OP please finish this relationship. It really really isn't good for you. Spend some time by yourself without worrying about being with anyone. You are worth so much more than this, you just need to realise it (written by someone who has made a few bad choices along the way and spent far too long making excuses of partners' behaviour / trying to fix their issues).