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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

202 replies

johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
Eddiesferret · 09/05/2022 06:35

You are 26 years old and turning yourself inside out and upside down for this selfish, self absorbed fucker.

Wake up this morning, pick your self respect up off the floor and resolve to find someone who does actually love you . Do not waste another moment trying to make yourself into the person you think he will love. It will never happen... because he will move the goalposts before you get there.

When you have to over analyse EVERYTHING to the degree you are doing. There is no way forward. Sorry I know this is not what you want to hear but I promise you... when you meet someone who does actually love you, it really isn't this hard.

Clymene · 09/05/2022 06:36

What he's doing is trying to erode your self confidence and self worth so that you will never feel good enough for anyone else, and believe that no one else will love you.

None of it is true. He's deliberately trying to fuck you up. You are very young and you can undo the damage if you leave if you stay, he will destroy you.

mintybobs · 09/05/2022 06:38

GO back and read this post and imagine it was written by someone you love and adore- a sister or best friend. What would you think?

This man is absolutely disgusting. He is treating you like garbage and will NEVER tell you he loves you, I guarantee that now. This is because he's using it as a power play over you. The sex thing is just repulsive and is designed to wear your self esteem down to nothing. This is classic abuser behaviour. Get away from this person as soon as you can because he will ruin your life.

ThatshallotBaby · 09/05/2022 06:38

You are not here to serve him or be his idea of perfection.
You are here to be you, and accept yourself and work out what makes you happy.
He is not interested in your happiness.

You will find someone who loves you just the way you are.
But yes absolutely you need to finish this.

IcanandIwill · 09/05/2022 06:39

You deserve better than this. You do not need to be in this relationship.

LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 09/05/2022 06:40

He is awful. Absolutely awful.

stop trying to diagnose his shitty attitude and just leave. Get some therapy for yourself.

SmileyClare · 09/05/2022 06:40

Manipulative, abusive and controlling.

You sound like a lovely person and you deserve way better.

rosiebl · 09/05/2022 06:41

You are 26. I hope you can run fast because you need to. This man is abusive and you are wasting your time trying to stay with him. He sounds like he's waiting for something better to come along.

Bubbles1st · 09/05/2022 06:41

I'd have given up before you spent however long it took you to write all this in a post on here.

Your young and worthy of unprecedented amounts of love that you feel without question.

GandTfortea · 09/05/2022 06:42

What the f have I just read
this man is abusing you ,he’s an abusive selfish nasty controlling cunt.
dear god ,please leave him ,and get far far away from him..he is determined to bring you down mentally..could you imagine having a child in this situation ,he would be constantly telling you how to do everything his way .
don’t put up with this a second longer

Snowraingain · 09/05/2022 06:43

He seems absolutely awful.
No redeeming features at all.
Seriously - run!

You'll meet someone else and be amazed at having stayed with him at all.

Sofacouchboredom · 09/05/2022 06:44

Do not waste a moment more of your precious life on this man. Run and don't look back.

I promise you'll thank yourself in the future.

HollowTalk · 09/05/2022 06:44

I think one problem is that this guy will tell you he does love you when he thinks you are about to leave him. Remember though that he doesn't, that he is into control and manipulation and he will be using love as the thing that keeps you close to him.

If he did love you there is no way on this earth that he would treat you like that.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving · 09/05/2022 06:44

Bloody hell OP, he sounds horrific! He sounds absolutely repulsive. Honestly, don't even bother yourself trying to navigate through the birds nest of his multiple obvious issues, just dump him and never look back. Your life with this man will be nothing but misery. I would actually recommend getting some therapy after you leave him (not if, when please) to help you see how unbelievably far from normal and healthy this relationship is. Seriously, please don't consider another relationship until you are really clear on how fucked up this one is so you don't repeat this nightmare with another man.

Leave him. Do it this week. Do not move with him. Do not marry him. For the love everything do not get pregnant. One day you will look back and cry with relief that you did.

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hellrabbitishere · 09/05/2022 06:45

to answer your question , when do i give up , well now op , christ he sounds a moaning pain , if you carry on like this you will never want to have sex again hes put you down about it so much , i mean is there anything he doesnt complain about . the list of complaints hes got about sex with you is endless , if i had some tosser starting all that marlarky with me theyd be fucked off down the road to make someone elses life a misery

your only still 26 dont waste any more time on this man hoping theres something you can do to improve him or your situation , you cant . he just sounds nasty and there aint nothing you can do to fix him , the fact he might be this way from a tough childhood is not your bloody problem to fix .
and i suspect he just uses that as an excuse for being a complete arse

for what its worth op im 50 this year and iv had sex in quite a few different places in my time but never ever has anyone wanted to do me in a fricken wardrobe !! so dont be feeling bad about any of the crap hes saying about how you are in bed , find someone else who wont say this stuff

Hibye23289 · 09/05/2022 06:46

Honestly you need to leave!!! I know it's sooo hard when you love them believe me me and my husband have just split up after a rough marriage and I have been devastated but I have survived and life is better not having the stress. You will go on to find a better partner, you're gonna end up emotionally damaged with zero confidence. There is no resolution or sorting this out these are all his issues and the list is so long there is no way you could ever meet them or make him happy it is all him!! Please just get our of it for your own sake, you must feel a nervous wreck! Be free!!

TedMullins · 09/05/2022 06:51

Good grief, I can’t believe what I’ve just read. What makes him the arbiter of whether things are good or not? He’s an abusive, gaslighting, arrogant, entitled and delusional cunt. It sounds like he hates you. This is not what relationships should be like - dump him asap and never look back! I’ve dated some horrid men in the past but even at my lowest ebb I wouldn’t have put up with this for 3 minutes, let alone 3 years.

rattlemehearties · 09/05/2022 06:53

Wow. I read all of that. He is a misogynistic pig. I hope you can see that when you reread what you've written. Please do not move across the country with him. Stop it now, move on, you'll find someone else eventually even if it's hard to imagine right now as your lives are enmeshed. As someone says above, relationships aren't supposed to be hard.

Imsittinginthekitchensink · 09/05/2022 06:58

He sounds fucking awful. Dump the twat asap.

BruceAndNosh · 09/05/2022 06:59

You're not bad at sex.
You're just bad at choosing people to have sex with.

Stop trying to change for someone who keeps moving the goalposts

Good point made above that he will finally say he loves you when he thinks you are leaving him.

Scabbyknackers · 09/05/2022 07:00

Oh and don't think he's some BDSM expert schooling you in the art of submission or some such bollocks which he seems to fancy himself as. Being a dom does not involve nagging and whinging and making contradictory complaints (sex is not spontaneous and we need to fit it around my schedule). The prat is clueless about sex, never mind anything else.

Scabbyknackers · 09/05/2022 07:01

If you chuck him you will thank yourself in the not too distant future. You will thank yourself very much indeed.

Hollygolightly86 · 09/05/2022 07:01

I can’t believe you managed to type this all out without realising that you need to leave! He is seriously dysfunctional as a partner & human being, no good will come from staying with him.

Teamsaction · 09/05/2022 07:02

Leave and get therapy, he sounds awful and is treating you badly.

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