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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

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johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
SilverPeacock · 09/05/2022 07:28

This is coercive control OP and I am sorry this is happening to you. He is messing with your mind and this will never change. It sounds exhausting. There is no way to fix him.

You really would be best to leave and work on your own confidence and self esteem.

Redcrayons · 09/05/2022 07:29

He’s a nasty bastard and won’t get better.

Youre so young, don’t waste your life with this man.

Electrox · 09/05/2022 07:29

Would you like to have children in the future? He would sneer and criticise them constantly too. Is that the sort of person you want to be father to your kids?

Beamur · 09/05/2022 07:31

He sounds tiresome and abusive. His attitudes towards sex are appalling..
Your best solution? End this relationship.

Sweepingeyelashes · 09/05/2022 07:33

You're only 26 so please don't waste your best years on this awful man. You don't get those years again so make the most of them - away from him.

Trixiefirecracker · 09/05/2022 07:33

RUN!!! You do know porn isn’t real sex? Why does he want you to act during sex? I’m sorry OP but he sounds dreadful and controlling and spiteful.

TheLadyDIdGood · 09/05/2022 07:34

Leave now. Get some dignity back and kick the bastard on your way out of the door.

Dearie me, the people have set incredibly low bars for relationships. You deserve much more and your bar should be set incredibly high. Don't ever beg a man for a relationship and don't ever change yourself for one either. How would you react if your future daughter came home with someone like this twat? I hope you'd tell him where to go and that she deserves much more.

PearPickingPorky · 09/05/2022 07:35

This won't improve, you need to cut your losses and walk away.

You don't want to be with him, you just don't want to feel like you have wasted all this time and effort. This is nothing like a good relationship should be like, this is not what sex is supposed to be like either!

You're 26, in the prime of your life, you are happy with your body and he's destroying that shred of confidence you have in yourself. This is designed to make you feel shit and insecure.

Honestly, do not settle for this.

notsilverfish · 09/05/2022 07:37

You are worth much more than this. This is not a good man or a good relationship.
Please leave him, you are young and definitely do not need to live like this anymore.
If you need help getting away there are lots of wonderful folk on MN who can advise.

thesunwillout · 09/05/2022 07:37

He sounds f ING mad.

MargaritasOnMe · 09/05/2022 07:39

I genuinely can't believe you still want to have sex with this prat??!! You are young, attractive and fit. Please don't throw away any more of your time on this absolute joker who sounds appallingly bad in bed and clearly doesn't love you (or even like you very much either by the sounds of it). Relationships should NOT be like this. Dump him immediately. And you're 26!! Get out there - party, socialise, travel, meet new people, date, try new hobbies, change careers or further the one you're in. Now is the time to do all that!! Not trail around after some dickhead hoping he will deign to shag you every so often. Take back control of your life and enjoy it. I'm starting to sound like a crappy self help book now but hopefully you get my gist Grin

BingeBitch · 09/05/2022 07:39

I’ve already commented but wanted to come back and say please please listen to all of these replies OP.
He is emotionally abusing you and chipping away at your self esteem to control you.
You deserve so much better than this piece of shit. He is nothing, less than nothing. Get rid.

Quartz2208 · 09/05/2022 07:44

You should never have to improve in a relationship

Leave (and certainly dont move)

Flubadubba · 09/05/2022 07:45

Honestly? He is a twat and won't change. Don't move cross country with him and find someone who appreciates you.

Cr3ateAUsername · 09/05/2022 07:48

Please, please do not move across the country with him. This is borderline abusive and he is slowly destroying your self esteem. The fact that you have made so much effort to try to satisfy him already and it still isn’t good enough should tell you all you need to know. You are NOT the problem, HE is.

Beseen22 · 09/05/2022 07:51

Hes like a micromanaging middle manager, you literally can't do anything right. Repulsive.

Please seek out some counselling before embarking on any other relationships and give yourself plenty of time. Your self esteem must be so low to believe that this is all you deserve out of a relationship. He's using an incredibly vulnerable time to isolate you and make you think you need to stay with him because no one else would want you because you are 'bad at sex'

If there really was sexual performance issues you would encourage the other person to do things that you liked not criticise their every move. Sounds like he watches porn all day and has an unrealistic idea of women.

Cactuslove · 09/05/2022 07:56

Oh my god I was exhausted reading this so you must be emotionally drained.

I don't like that you've shown him a 'weakness' and he seems to use it with the whole not saying I love you thing.

And I really don't like the whole sex thing. It's meant to be fun and enjoyable- I don't know how you can even get into it with so many things to remember r.e. what you can/can't should/shouldn't do.

Relationships obviously do need some work but this is more than a full time job. I'd move on personally. Although I know that's easier said than done.

QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 09/05/2022 08:03

OP honestly, please get out now. This man will erode your sense of self and confidence if this continues.

He will teach you how to have sex like a porn star will he? I think maybe he watches too much porn and this has warped his sense of what sex is supposed to be like. He sounds awful OP and you deserve so much more!

Sillystripytail · 09/05/2022 08:04

That was a really sad read, OP. He is emotionally & sexually abusing you. Please please please leave him. Don't waste your life on someone who can be so cruel to you. Get therapy and one day, you'll discover what a loving relationship is. Even if you were single forever, it'd be better than being with this vile man. He will say he loves you to stop you from leaving, please don't believe him. Someone who loves you wouldn't dream of treating you this way.

Herejustforthisone · 09/05/2022 08:04

You have chronically low self esteem and this man is strange, controlling and negging you on a really regular basis.

I don’t think this is where your happiness will lie.

HoppingPavlova · 09/05/2022 08:10

His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve.

wow. No, I don’t believe this is the best solution. I believe the best solution would be to leave him. What a complete dick. Why would you tolerate this?

tsmainsqueeze · 09/05/2022 08:10

He sounds unbearable , surely you can see what your future holds with a knob like him.

Bednobsbroomsticks · 09/05/2022 08:13

I got halfway through. He's a nutcase. Get rid

PortiaFimbriata · 09/05/2022 08:14

You can do better. A cat for company and an Anne Summers catalogue for sex would be better than this.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 09/05/2022 08:16

I've only read your title and the answer is "now"