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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

202 replies

johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
Trixiefirecracker · 09/05/2022 17:27

@777magic what an odd thing to post. Yes, of course but I don’t think she will be implementing any of it.

simoncowellsdog · 09/05/2022 17:49

You give up 3 years ago. Leave this prick

Nanny0gg · 09/05/2022 17:55

He's a pig.

Leave.

AnuSTart · 09/05/2022 18:03

What a prince among men.
Dump the lousy arse.
Love should not be this much hard work.

StopStartStop · 09/05/2022 18:07

I only read the first two paragraphs.

Get the fuck out of there.

DogWithMyOwnRoom · 09/05/2022 18:18

1/ He hasn’t told you he loves you after 3 years? Because he doesn’t!

and probably isn’t even capable of feeling love either

2/ You are not bad at sex… HE is. What you write shows that you are open-minded and flexible, and willing to do what your partner enjoys.
But he is controlling and abusive.

PLEASE leave him before your self-esteem is destroyed - you deserve so much better

ScrollingLeaves · 09/05/2022 19:21

Do not hesitate.

Just go, and never look back.

JollyHolly30 · 09/05/2022 20:57

You must leave this horrific, pathetic excuse for a man.
You sound fantastic as a partner and most men would be so happy to be with you!

He's seriously affecting your mental and emotional health. You're now self conscious and turning inwards because of his comments. This is abusive.

I know how hard it is to leave a relationship when you love the person. I thought I wouldn't survive breaking up with my ex 12 years ago and now I am actually repulsed by him and can't believe I ever fancied him! You will get there too.. and you'll have someone who WILL love you, who will TELL you they love you and show you. They'll build you up rather than constantly knocking you down.
Please listen to all these wise ladies. You have an exciting future to discover - don't waste any more time staying with him.

johsette · 10/05/2022 01:32

I am back and reading through the comments. New to the website & having some issues staying signed in to be able to interact. I appreciate everyone's advice & opinions. :)

OP posts:
Time40 · 10/05/2022 02:06

Oh god - this is tragic! Don't waste your young life on this absolute waste of space. Listen to everyone. Leave tomorrow ... well, it's 2am - leave today!

SmileyClare · 10/05/2022 06:34

You've twice mentioned the dom/sub situation you've got here and say He will exclusively be the dominant one

The way he's behaving now over sex is his extension of that. He's pushing you further into the submissive role to satisfy his own perversions. He's using (withdrawing) sex to punish you for daring to initiate an improvement in your sex life.

The fact that he's getting off on degrading you and wanting complete control over you with no regard to your feelings demonstrates he's a dangerous man, almost psychotic in his treatment of you.

A dom/sub set up can work in a healthy relationship when it's treated as role play, built on trust and mutual respect and kept solely between the sheets.

It absolutely shouldn't pervade your relationship in this way.

You are his sex toy and he's acting out his darkest fantasies with you. This is not a functioning romantic relationship.

It's ok to embrace a dom/sub sex game if that's your thing but you've got yourself into a very fucked up thing here which isn't two adults consenting to a game.

TheBlessedCheesemaker · 10/05/2022 07:21

You are a boiled frog.
Bin him and book yourself some therapy because you will need it in order to see the abuse for what it is.
Been reading these threads for 15 years now and there aren’t many that are so clear cut, and it’s sad to know that you aren’t really seeing it.

ShandaLear · 10/05/2022 07:47

Your boyfriend is an arse. You are not ‘giving up’; you are making a conscious decision to create a better life for yourself, and that life does not include people who think it’s ok to treat you badly. Cut out the dead wood.

Fuzzyhippo · 10/05/2022 14:07

I was with mine for 6 years and he never said I love you either. I pushed and pushed for him to say it while in tears but it wouldn't happen. Turns out he actually hated me and I didn't want to admit it. But we didn't even live together so wasn't much of a relationship to start with.

Maverick2022 · 10/05/2022 14:29

OP "His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve."

tell him to date a porn star then.

Except porn stars have sex on camera in a cetain way for money.

They don't have sex like that witgbtheir partners at home.

He might be better using prostitutes, than inflicting a "relationship" like this on a partner.

(Not that prostitution doesn't have massive issues).

Incidentally, how come this performance and feedback is only one-way.... is he going to a performing monkey who is assessed and rated too???

Maverick2022 · 10/05/2022 14:44

I didn't even read the dom/sub thing .... that's just a narrative used by abusers in many cases.

PussGirl · 10/05/2022 15:05

Have you dumped him yet?

Gotmynewshoes · 10/05/2022 15:52

TheBlessedCheesemaker · 10/05/2022 07:21

You are a boiled frog.
Bin him and book yourself some therapy because you will need it in order to see the abuse for what it is.
Been reading these threads for 15 years now and there aren’t many that are so clear cut, and it’s sad to know that you aren’t really seeing it.

Very much this ^

Daisyblush · 10/05/2022 18:42

Leave now.

Viviennemary · 10/05/2022 18:47

I think its the end of the road. He sounds a right pain. Find somebody else.

Knittingchamp · 10/05/2022 18:50

OP you give up after reading back that thread title to yourself. That's really enough. The man is a loser.

RebOrHon · 10/05/2022 18:58

Sorry, I didn’t read beyond the first paragraph before I started (mentally) telling you to get out now and cut your losses. Why are you with someone who treats you Ike this? I can guarantee that you’re worth so much more love and care. Leave, live your life & be happy. Flowers

Thinkingblonde · 10/05/2022 19:05

Do not waste anymore time with this man. You’re 26, the world at your feet. You deserve much better than this. I’d rather be on my own than settle for this.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 10/05/2022 19:08

He sounds beyond dreadful. Your post is all about you trying to get him to love you - do you actually love him? And if so, why?

Gudbrand · 10/05/2022 19:15

Bloody hell...
The question was "at what point do you give up?"
Well I gave up reading a few sentences into all the sex stuff.
And so should you.
This is not working for you.
He won't say he loves you and he just moans about the sex all the time and you seem to be doing loads of things to try to please him.
He's got some kind of issue around sex and/or he just wants to keep you in line by damaging your self-esteem by constantly criticizing.

Get rid of him now before you move away with him. You are 26 and you have your whole life ahead of you.