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At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex

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johsette · 09/05/2022 06:07

Background, me (26F) and my boyfriend (32M) have been together for about 3 years. However, our relationship escalated quickly as we moved in together after only a few months & then COVID lockdown happened & we spent every waking minute together for a good year or so. Been through job changes, moves, etc. There are many positives to him & we get along great, but since this is an advice forum, perhaps the post may come across as negative. The only thing to note, is that generally he can be very judgmental & critical, even with gifts so that now special events like his birthday next week are stressful & psychologically taxing trying to think through every way he can interpret anything. He recognizes this is a character trait of his stemming from his upbringing & tries to keep it in check.
So, our relationship was going pretty great for the first 2 years. Then, my BF started talking about how he the best part was over because of the honeymoon phase & how the good parts only last 6 mo - 2yr. I feel like that's a bit of a defeatist attitude & self-fulfilling prophecy.... sure enough we've been having loads of problems in the last 6 months or so. Side note: he says attraction isn't the issue, I'm 122lbs & very fit with a nice body (without going into more details). I've never had complaints from any previous partners even in committed long-term relationships and/or men with similar "equipment".

The biggest two issues, which are especially large because we are planning to move across the country in 2 months, so it would be nice to resolve them before that level of commitment.

  1. My BF hasn't told me he loves me yet. He knows (or at least did know, but he's always forgetting things & insisting he never knew) that with a rough family background, I grew up never saying ILY or being told. The only 3 men to ever say it to me were drunk, in the midst of sex, took it back later, using me, or some combination. One time about a year ago, we were drinking and my current BF accidentally started to say it but cut himself off & I got upset and told him I wanted him to say it sober so I could know he meant it. He said he'd thought it often but just hadn't said it (and has his own issues from the opposite kind of family where ILY was said often but usually as a front/performance).... that was the last we spoke of it :( I don't know how to prompt him to say it or discuss this with him. I don't know how I can ever believe him saying he loves me if I tell him I want him to say it. He even brought up marriage at one point, but we hadn't even said that yet. Later he said he wouldn't marry me until I was at least 29 so my brain was developed enough to make that kind of commitment. (WTF???) Now he says he doesn't believe in marriage at all. I'm not obsessed with marriage, but it would be nice if the relationship were headed that direction at some point or if I could at least know he loves me. He says he cares & wants to be with me & isn't afraid to sign another lease or discuss buying a house, but has not mentioned the "L" word. Advice on how to broach the topic? Or thoughts on why he'd want to keep moving forward in a rather serious, committed relationship if he doesn't love me? This has been on my mind for more than a year now & has made me contemplate ending things.
  2. I love my BF. I love having sex with him, it isn't perfect but I enjoy it and find myself feeling satisfied almost always. My BF originally was enthused as well & very into the sex. His interest got lower with time (which he says is natural, especially for men... another self-fulfilling prophecy??) & he often acts annoyed with me coming onto him & says I want sex too often. The rejection hurts a good deal, especially when he ends things in the middle of "activities" because, for example, I didn't want to do it in the closet (he complained I lacked spontaneity) or if I pause to point out something like the fan being off or the cat getting into something (because clearly I'm distracted & not into the passionate moment like him). He occasionally voiced things he did not like, such as I clawed too much (I stopped clawing him) or I don't french kiss enough (so I intentionally do this a lot now) & he didn't want to do it with the lights off (which I like on occasion) because then he wouldn't be aroused, so we haven't done this in years. Which in my opinion, shows my ability to change.
He wants me to communicate openly, but if I even mention something I think could be different, he says we shouldn't do it all together (we've never done it in the shower & he refused doggy style for 2 years because I didn't like the tilted/high angle he likes to do it from). He was never very into handy things & for years basically won't let me put my hands on it at all. A few months ago after repeated fights & random conflicts, I got him to admit that there was an underlying issue & he confessed he was dissatisfied with the sex, mostly because it was boring/repetitive & not enough BJ's. He will exclusively be the dominant one, so I suggested we do more positions but he rarely initiates them, so I'm not sure how the boring/small set of regular positions is my fault or how to fix it. As for BJ's, I told him I was open to doing that more often if he were willing to help me initiate or ask me to do it (can be stressful for me from past traumas). He has not asked me to even once since then and I made sure to initiate this without prompting I think 4-5 times now. And has begun adding a new complaint almost every time we do it. I cum too fast, I cum too slow, jealous of me liking men in videos, sex should be more spontaneous, we should schedule it in advance to work with his routines, I'm allegedly a starfish, I move my hips too much, I don't do well on top, don't get wet fast enough/too much effort, sex shouldn't always want it hard & fast (but he thinks I'm not into if I'm not loud for slow/gentle sex), says he felt like he was raping me (when I was playfully resisting which has been a normal but irregular part of the dom/sub situation), etc.

He even has an issue with me doing actions that are "for him" in bed .... but also complains that I don't do enough to satisfy him & improve & says I'm a selfish lover & he's a giver. He is not delicate, tactful, or gentle with these complaints. A few weeks ago, he initiated sex but seemed off and I asked if he wanted to do it or was only doing it for me and he said "we might as well now because your period is coming up" then continued coming on to me. When I tried to reciprocate, he pushed my hands away, pulled away from my bodily kisses, and then in the midst of making out he cringed & flinched like he was disgusted & told me not to have my mouth so wide. I ended this half-assed attempt at sex & brought up how he makes so many complaints that I no longer feel comfortable.
Since then, it has been 3 weeks (WAYYY long for us) and he told me that he was fine giving me time & space to work through "my" issues but has since gotten mad at me for being upset & distant and says he is uncomfortable about my discomfort. I've tried talking with him at least 3 times to resolve this & each time he just tells me more about how bad I am at sex & how I'm doing it wrong (his exact words) & adds more insults/complaints to the list. He suggests that I'm insensitive & selfish because I'm not willing to change. I told him that that's too long of a list to change & that just because he likes something better, doesn't mean I'm bad or wrong. His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve. I don't know how to relax & ignore all the pressure he's putting on me & insults he given me knowing that there is so much he dislikes about me. He doesn't want to end things though but I don't get why. If I was sooo bad in his opinion, why didn't he end it before spending years with me??? :/ Now I'm invested and I love him and I want to have sex with him, but I find it difficult to feel desired & wanted when he is seeming to be impossible to please.

Do you believe this is the best solution? Have any better ideas? Do you think there's something more to the issue? Any tips on how to ignore all the judgement & get it out of my headspace? Is it worth the stress & effort to "improve" every single action when it feels like he's using me just for his pleasure & wants me to just be a piece of flesh that suits him perfectly?

OP posts:
Wafflesnsniffles · 09/05/2022 10:56

If this is what your life is like with him now........... picture how it will be in 5 years, in 10 years.
Relationships are not always easy but they also shouldnt be this hard. Id ditch him immediately. You absolutely deserve better than him

springtimeishereagain · 09/05/2022 11:03

Oh my God. Relationships should not be this much effort.

I'd never have sex with him again. In fact, I'd end things. What does he bring to your life? Why do you suddenly have to change yet he won't change???

Then do the Freedom Programme so you can find out about healthy boundaries and how to put these in place.

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 11:07

Also, it's important to you to get married abd it doesnt sound like he's going to hrs just going to waste your precious time.

At 26 there are a reasonable amount of single men out there, go and date them.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 09/05/2022 11:08

What the actual fuck did you learn about relationships growing up that you think this is a relationship worth having?
Good Lord this makes me sad for you that there is any part of you wondering how much more of a pretzel you can twist yourself into for him.

JungleRed · 09/05/2022 11:11

Christ alive, OP, run for the hills! Do not look back.

PerceptionIsReality · 09/05/2022 11:11

Do NOT move across the country with this man. You will end up isolated and very unhappy.

Leave now and look on this as a good thing in that you won't keep bumping in to him when he moves.

I almost wonder if he is trying to get you to be the one to break up with him. It is the only explanation that I can come up with for such unkind actions (or he is just a total prick - but the solution for you is the same either way).

Orangesox · 09/05/2022 11:15

He sounds absolutely disgusting. Run, run far and don’t look back.

carmenitapink · 09/05/2022 11:17

LTB.

Sounds like a jerk.

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 11:18

Release him to live his best life too

Yeah, with ine of thise realistic looking sex dolls.

brokengoalposts · 09/05/2022 11:24

Speaking from experience... dump him now, save yourself years of misery. I don't mean that lightly either. I dumped my ex after 6 years, thought I loved him. 24 years on I look back and can't believe I wasted so much time on him.

lovingtheheat · 09/05/2022 11:31

Now. Give up now. He is telling you he doesn't actually like you all that much. He'll deny it because you're convenient to him. Do not move across the country for him things are not going to improve!

Zilla1 · 09/05/2022 11:34

Release him to live his best life too

Suspect he might be living this already though use this as a reason if suspect violence when he no longer has control and his project tries to ecape.

Minimalme · 09/05/2022 11:40

Jesus Christ. You could do with some therapy op - your boundaries are way off and this man is abusing you.

steppemum · 09/05/2022 11:57

He's horrible.

Even from your title I htought - leave, it is not worth it

But reading your OP, he is horrible. he is unkind and critical and just notveyr nice.
Please realise that you deserve better.
relationships are supposed to be safe and fun and relaxing and generally a good thing. Nothing about this is positive.
You said you get along well together, but I woudl say - what happens if you don;t like what he suggests/wants? I bet you don't get along well then.

He doesn't love you OP. Love is not just about someone saying it, it is also about them demostrating it with their behaviour. He is not showing you love.

BowerOfBramble · 09/05/2022 12:02

How many of these apply to him? Definitely no.1 probably some others too

betterbeingmainline.com/ten-types-of-abusive-men/

CloudPine · 09/05/2022 12:02

Yep. He can't tell you he loves you because he doesn't. I doubt he even likes you. This is because he is a shitbag, not because there;'s anything wrong with you.

Prerapher · 09/05/2022 12:02

Some bloody good advice here....don't waste another moment, I spent 15 years with my ex, the first five dealing with the issues from his previous relationship the remaining ten tolerating his drinking and abuse, I'm not one for quotes as a rule but this is a favourite of mine and one I think every woman regardless of her age should have pinned up somewhere ,

At what point do you give up? :( Bf won't say he loves me & after 3 years, says I'm bad at sex
MoreCoffeePlease2 · 09/05/2022 12:10

Hey OP, I read through your post with real sadness. As other posters have said this is not the picture of a healthy relationship - your partner is being incredibly manipulative and it looks like it at the point (which you noted as well) that you can't do anything right in the bedroom. This is a deliberate tactic to undermine your confidence. Witholding 'i love you' on top of that is almost a secondary consideration (albeit important), because frankly if he was doing all of this and still peppering every second sentence with 'I love yous' you'd be in the same predicament.
To put it bluntly, this guy is a real dickhead and he's doing a number on your mental health - second guessing and constantly trying to accommodate his impossible demands (impossible as they change every time!) and now getting to the point where he's infantalising you (he'll "teach you" you how to be good in bed - pls.) it's all culminating in something very poisonous.

Please leave him, and when he suddenly reels everything back as you're extracting yourself and won't be there for him to you with please stay firm and know that you deserve someone that
A) doesn't need to be forced/begged to say I love you
B) treats you with respect in the bedroom - this means not belittling you, withholding sex as a control tactic, being properly open and generous in communication.

All the best xx

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 13:12

Tell him you'll imitate porn when he looks like a male porn actor; theyre generally 6ft plus, above average looks , 6 pack, with long, girthy penises.

Eg Chad White, Johnny Castle, Johnny Sins, Manuel Ferreira, James Deen, Charles Dera, Clover etc.

Incidentally James down and clover are proven abusers of women, so he does have one thing in common with them, the only thing.

Maverick2022 · 09/05/2022 13:14

*now getting to the point where he's infantalising you (he'll "teach you" you how to be good in bed - pls.)

teach her using the most exploitative, onr sided, toxic, fake presentation of sex

aSofaNearYou · 09/05/2022 13:23

He sounds like an absolute twat OP. No it is NOT worth it.

Pixiedust1234 · 09/05/2022 13:29

i have only read your post but I am guessing the majority of replies will be "leave!!"

  1. He doesn't love you and never will. I don't think he even likes you at the moment. Why is he still with you? Life is easier if there are two wages coming in, and I bet he gets to choose how its spent. Please don't move with him, look for your own place instead.
  2. Stop giving to him sexually. Dont become his personal porn star. Porn is not based on reality and definitely not based on a mutually loving and fulfilling relationship.

The time is now. Dont invest anymore of yourself in this horrible man. At the very least you are not compatible. At worst, he is abusive. Put yourself first Flowers

Trixiefirecracker · 09/05/2022 14:49

I don’t think the OP is ever coming back. I imagine it’s not what she wanted to hear. ☹️

EmmaH2022 · 09/05/2022 14:53

OP "His proposed solution is that when I'm comfortable enough to have sex again, he teaches me how to have sex (-_- his words exactly) & that we watch porn & I imitate the porn stars & he gives feedback so I can improve."

tell him to date a porn star then.

life can be happy, OP. It doesn't have to be like this.

777magic · 09/05/2022 15:08

Trixiefirecracker · 09/05/2022 14:49

I don’t think the OP is ever coming back. I imagine it’s not what she wanted to hear. ☹️

She asked for advice and has been given the best advice from what I see reading some of the answers. It's up to her whether she takes it or not.