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Would it be two-timing? Help!!

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greeneyedgirl · 09/01/2008 20:33

Ok so I have been "seeing" a guy I suppose. Been on 3 dates in quick succession and we have been pretty intimate, but have not had sex, not going to yet either. We seem to get on fine and he is nice, but there have been no declarations or relationship discussions.

But have been talking to a guy online (met both on a dating site) who really wants to meet me and he also seems really nice. I would like to just meet up for a drink just to see how we get on, but feeling a bit weird, do you think I would be "cheating"?

I don't feel like I am going out with the guy I am seeing, he is nice, but it all seems to be quite sexual, which although is enjoyable, I am really not sure about and want to pull back a little.

So what do you think I should do? All opinions welcome!

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Monkeytrousers · 09/01/2008 20:36

No, not two timing. Window shopping

greeneyedgirl · 09/01/2008 20:40

Sounds good to me . But have a mega guilty conscience, just don't want to make a mess.

I suppose I shouldn't have been so erm...quick to "do stuff" with this guy, but can't take it back now.

Please convince me I am not a slut!

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fordfiesta · 09/01/2008 20:45

if you have made no definate commitment then go for it...... and have fun.

postingatlast · 09/01/2008 22:18

Ok, this is a man speaking...

of course you are not a slut. To be fair, he may well also (although not necessarily!) be window shopping too, as monkeytrousers calls it. Of course the age old question is when is the line drawn and when does it become two-timing. Personally I think that is a verbal rather than physical thing. If you talk to a new partner and you both express a mutual wish to try being together then yes, of course, it would be two timing. While there is not that understood commitment, it is not two timing.

So as you are window shopping, try before you buy! And if things continue as they are, you may even buy one and get one free!!

Ok, that was an easy joke so, seriously, you are not being a slut, you are just responding to the connections which you are having. BUT... if the boundaries are set with one or other, it will be time to make a decision and stick to it... And by the way, just meeting up with someone you share a nice connection with is not two-timing. There may be no sexual chemistry at all but he may be good friend material. I always say never pass up a good opportunity to make a nice connection. Just, as I said earlier, know where the boundaries lie and stick to them.

Oh, and it is not a bad thing per se that the connection with the first guy seems sexual. That can be a very good thing. But as with all things relationship related, balance is required so look out for other connections with him too as sex alone cannot maintain a relationship in the mid and long term.

Good luck.

lucyellensmum · 09/01/2008 22:39

i hate to say this greeneyedgirl, and i cant believe im going to, but i am - just suck it and see!

If you dont feel you want a relationship with the first guy then have a drink with the other guy. If you think it may develop then i would be inclined not to go. But then you could be missing out on the love of your life.............

greeneyedgirl · 09/01/2008 23:31

LEM, that is what I am afraid of, what if I miss out on who i am supposed to be with. I don't know if this guy is going to develop into a relationship and I do regret doing the stuff I have, he may well have got the wrong impression totally.

Think I need to slow it all down...no matter what happens. Thanks PAL for a man's view, I am not used to being so "forward" as my hubby was my first, now I seem to have no restraint. What a plonker I am!

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greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 09:54

Just re-read your reply postingatlast and it really makes alot of sense. Thanks for being so helpful, I feel a bit better now.

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Baffy · 10/01/2008 10:17

Not two timing at all. You've been on a few dates but not had any sort of relationship or committment discussions.

He may well be seeing other people too for the moment.

Don't let the fact you've been quite intimate with him cloud things.
(My husband was my first too, we were together for a long time from very young, so it was a bit of a shock to the system when I started dating again and I realised how quickly things can/do happen and how it's actually ok to get intimate with someone, even if you never want to see each other again )

Good luck

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 10:41

Thanks Baffy, I just have such a guilty conscience I am always beating myself up over things. The intimacy was enjoyable, but I am still not sure whether I would even like to be in a relationship with the current guy yet, we don't know each other well enough.

I guess going on a "date" isn't really going to make much difference, we will be on neutral ground (in a pub partway between where we both live) so there will be no chance of intimacy with him at all, which is how I want it.

Thanks all.

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Baffy · 10/01/2008 10:45

Sounds like a good plan. Don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with and if you keep the dates in public places for the moment it will give you a bit of time to get to know them properly, and then you can decide if there's anyone you'd like to take things further with.

Sounds good. Enjoy it

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 10:47

Cheers, I hope it goes well lol, after all this worrying he may be a total loss hehe!

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Hecate · 10/01/2008 10:58

You've been on a couple of dates. You are not in a relationship, are you? I mean, unless you have had The Talk, you are a free agent. Go. Have fun.

I would say that you should be honest and mention that you are dating someone else too. Just so all parties are clear.

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 11:10

No, we have not had The Talk at all, far too early for all that. But I am slightly nervous that he may just have assumed that because of what has happened between us that we are automatically dating.

I am not sure about telling him I am going out to meet someone else as I had an experience in the past where I was totally honest about going on a date (the guy I was "seeing" had made it clear we weren't in a relationship). Anyway he totally freaked and blanked me after that, so I am really loathe to lay myself open to that again.

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Baffy · 10/01/2008 11:28

You don't have to tell either of them anything for the moment.

You're a free agent and you're going on a few dates. Nothing to do with either of them what you do when you're not with them.

Only once you're in a proper relationship would you have to say you were going out on a date with someone else. And you wouldn't be going on a date if you had decided to be in a relationship anyway!

postingatlast · 10/01/2008 11:40

yes you are a total plonker! For calling yourself a plonker and a slut!!!

Stop being so hard on yourself. It's hard enough getting back out there after a long term relationship, it's going to be even harder for you if you beat yourself up like this. It is totally normal (unless you are of an extremely traditional and moralistic ilk) to have periods in one's life to play around. The fact that you had not done it prior to your hubby seems all the more reason, in my eyes, to chill out and enjoy the fun. Meeting lots of different people can be stimulating, fun, depressing, bewildering - sometimes all those things at the same time. But above all, it helps us to learn where our boundaries lie, and even surprise ourselves with what we are capable of and enjoy. Above all, the more you see, the more chance you have of ending up with someone great. It's an old cliché but you cannot know a fine wine just by drinking one bottle. Men, like all things, are an acquired and personal taste and only "shopping around" will help you find what you like and don't like. As long as you remain respectful, courteous and maintain your integrity, there is nothing you can criticise yourself for. Only start to feel bad if you really do mess a bunch of men around - although I am sure there will be many on this board who say we deserve it!

Bottom line is go discover yourself and if part of that discovery lies in seeing a few men, so be it.

As for the slowing it down, what's the worst that can happen? It all goes tits up?? And then what?? You'll still wake up with two arms and two legs, the sun will still rise and set. The worst case is not that bad. Even getting hurt can still be used as a positive thing - all these experiences are stops on a road to you finding yourself and where you want to be.

Hope that helps.

All the best!

postingatlast · 10/01/2008 11:42

sorry, started writing my last post before the intervening posts were written then had to stop and come back to it so it may seem like it doesn't follow the thread!! I was going back to greeneyedgirl calling herself a plonker last night.

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 13:03

Thanks PAL, how come you sound so sensible and non-judgmental? Which source of men do you come from, cos I'd like to find one who has your attitude!

My ex boyfriend was incredibly jealous when I was with him, he dumped me then still got jealous when he thought I might be dating others...yet he was free to sleep with who he chose. That has possibly had an effect on the way I think about things.

I don't think anyone deserves to be messed about, women can be just as awful, it depends on the person, not their sex. I want to look around and enjoy myself and not panic that I am doing the wrong thing. I only started dating in May last yr and I have had a fair few disaters, yet I still don't seem to approach things with enough caution lol.

You have all been so helpful, thanks very much

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postingatlast · 10/01/2008 13:30

Ha, I don't know which source I come from, probably just a well-worn and well-used source who has done good things and bad, done things right and made mistakes.

How unpleasant your ex sounds. Being with someone who is openly sleeping with other people can only destroy your own self esteem.

You sound like a very resilient and kind person. Well done for getting back on the horse, in spite of the tricky experiences so far since you started dating again. Personally I think life is too short to be cautious about meeting people. There are so many other things we have to be cautious about (homes, jobs etc) that it's nice to have something to just throw caution to the wind with.

As a man, I find closed women very unattractive so don't worry about putting across the wrong message if you're letting yourself be spontaneous, full on even. It's much better, IMO, to get to the root quickly as the sooner you do, the sooner you know whether there are grounds to go forward. Better that than tiptoing around for five years!

Just never loose sight of your own worth as an individual and don't get involved with men who will play with your self esteem. If ultimately it is a serious monogamous relationship you want, make sure that if you find the man you want to do that with, you both know where you stand and what you want.

Put simply, IMO, relationships only work if both people are in the same place (emotionally speaking) at the same time, and share the same values. If this is not the case, no point in trying to squeeze a pint into a quart pot, hoping the man with change his attitude.

One final thing, if you want to meet a different type of man, perhaps think about different ways/ places to meet one. If you have had a run of meeting a particular type of man who you met in a particular way, mix it up and do something different. Join a class, a club, a charity, a gallery, anywhere where you might meet someone of simialr interests - always the best place to start!!

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 14:08

Yes, I have been thinking about joining classes and such, but is not a whole lot going on here. Can't do day time, as although I am not working at the mo, I am looking for jobs, so won't be free. It's difficult, is why I tend to meet most of my dates online. It's not too bad have met quite a few nice guys as well as idiots.

I am soo not a meeting blokes in pubs person, last time I went out, a load of 40+ yr old blokes made lewd hand gestures about my breast size. Nice, lol!

I have no idea what I am looking for, just someone who gives me a bit of consideration would be cool by me. I suppose I am my own worst enemy really lol! Thanks for the advice, it really is great that people are so nice!!

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postingatlast · 10/01/2008 14:29

Online dating is a great way to meet people. The web is just today's version of bars and pubs for previous generations.

As for being your own worst enemy, I suspect you mean by that that your own feelings about yourself lead you into the hands of men who don't show consideration towards you (i.e. bastards!). This goes back to what I said earlier - never lose sight of your own worth and no one has any right to treat you badly. Although it is sometimes hard to remind oneself, we are all 1000 times better off single than with someone who is not treating us well.

For me, it always comes down to a simple question:

On balance, is my life better or worse with this person in my world? If they bring you something extra and your life is better, they are a keeeper. If it is the opposite, best to stick with what you have without them!

madamez · 10/01/2008 14:33

OK, here is the most important rule about dating anyone will ever tell you.
MOnogamy is not obligatory, it is only available on request. NO ONE is entitled to expect a monogamous relationship after a set number of dates, or a set level of sexual intimacy. If you want a monogamous relationship, you have to say so. ANd until someone has said to you that they want an exclusive relationship with you, then you can date, see and shag who you like without consulting them.

postingatlast · 10/01/2008 14:43

I think Madamez is spot on, goes back to what I said earlier that commitment is a verbal agreement rather than an implicit or physical one. As with everything in a relationship, it all comes down to boundaries. Where yours lie, where your partner's lie and what you both agree on and agree to disagree on.

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 14:53

Crikey, I really am a dunce when it comes to dating!! Obviously haven't done enough of it...better get some practice in then!

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postingatlast · 10/01/2008 15:11

first you were a slut, then a plonker, then a dunce.

Greeneyedgirl, you come across as none of these!!! Stop being so hard on yourself. Whenever that critical voice inside you pipes up, just tell it to shut up!!

No one is perfect, we are all just mixed-up messes of good and bad stuff or, to quote the old psychobabble, fallible human beings.

greeneyedgirl · 10/01/2008 16:59

Lol PAL. I hope I come across as something good then!!

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