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H and prostitutes - update

167 replies

princesjet2 · 28/02/2022 10:31

Update on 'D and Prostitutes' post

Hi Everyone

I wanted to give everyone an update, I've name changed as my H knew I had posted here. I posted in November about my H and I have pasted the original post below this new one. Thank you to everyone who responded, it's really helped me. Since my last post, more has happened. I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

When I confronted him about what 'before I've just been wasted and it meant nothing' meant, he said he was meaning just talking to girls. This friend then messaged my husband encouraging him to message her and keep it a secret from me. The real kick in the teeth is that when I finally moved out to where my husband is, this friend had to move out of his apartment and lived with us for six weeks. He also said he had been considering breaking up with me during this period for something that I did months before (he is a pilot and had an engine failure, I wasnt supportive of him at the time and i can readily admit that, he felt he couldnt rely on me, I think I just didnt appreciate how scary it must have been). I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends.

I then found an old phone memory card of his from 2-3 years ago, in the apps section both bumble and tinder were named as being files on his phone. I checked the last thing he had googled, and it was escorts in our hometown. Bear in mind this is from years ago. He just flat out denied these things when I brought them up and laughed at how ridiculous the accusation was, he sounded completely relaxed and genuinely baffled. He really is a very convincing individual.

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks. I'm planning my next move with my parents help.

To update everyone on the question I was asked a few times as to whether he had sent the message asking about the wedding ring to everyone he was out with, yes he did send it to the friend he was put with as he showed me. He said he was just so drunk the night before he couldnt remember how he got home and the morning after was filled with hangover anxiety that he had done something.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this.

OP posts:
xcdrx · 28/02/2022 16:01

I am so sorry your going through this.

But please leave him! He knows exactly what he is doing x

herehere22 · 28/02/2022 16:20

Don't know what sort of advice you're looking for? You know exactly what you should do but you stated that you believe him. So even if our advice to you would be to LEAVE/ RUN / GET AWAY from this psycho... you still believe him and will stay.
Good luck anyway. He'll never change

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 28/02/2022 16:22

I can't read through massive paragraphs of words.

But it's sounds like he's a shit. What are you asking?

GayANDguilty · 28/02/2022 16:27

I think you want to stay with him so are seeking people to agree with you.
Nobody needs to agree with you - it’s your life

Iamnotamermaid · 28/02/2022 16:50

I would have a problem with the fact all your friends seem to insinuate they know what he has been up to whilst your back was turned. Can you check bank statements etc to see if money changed hands?

I do think this needs to be sorted out properly before you can decide whether or not you want to stay in the marriage.

BobLemon · 28/02/2022 17:03

I remember your previous thread! Are you moving to your parents’ home? Or at least back to your home country?

Chely · 28/02/2022 17:11

Oh the "I'll never forgive myself" line. He's a twat, you can do better.

ExactlyThis · 28/02/2022 17:13

He is and has been having prostitutes for years. This won’t stop. Either accept this will be the rest of your life or leave him.

PermanentTemporary · 28/02/2022 17:17

I do know the awful thrill of chasing information that the other person doesn't want you to have. But it's not exactly a healthy situation that you feel driven to dig through his stuff. You've got good reason to, because every time you do it you find evidence that he is relentlessly chasing other women and not you.

He's either a fantasist or a habitual cheater.

Gowithme · 28/02/2022 17:20

I call narc. One day I hope you'll see him for what he really is OP.

daisyjgrey · 28/02/2022 17:37

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I can't read through massive paragraphs of words.

But it's sounds like he's a shit. What are you asking?

...what?

SamMil · 28/02/2022 17:43

Your husband has been cheating on you repeatedly. My next course of action would be to seek legal advice re: divorce, leave him and get an STD test.

Suzyinthesummertime · 28/02/2022 17:53

LTB

Xpologog · 28/02/2022 17:59

If you’re planning on leaving while he’s away make sure you empty the bank account and take everything if value with you.
He has treated you appallingly. I hope you’ve had all necessary health checks?

NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 28/02/2022 18:05

Please make plans to leave,your dp is a lying piece of shit. Stop making excuses for him

EllaPaella · 28/02/2022 20:41

Hopefully the move you are planning while he is away is to leave him?
He doesn't respect you or even seem to like you very much. You deserve so much more from a partner than is.

DazedWifelet · 28/02/2022 23:02

Why are you staying in this ridiculous situationship? This is beyond insane! Get out!

Aquamarine1029 · 28/02/2022 23:09

This relationship has been shit from the beginning, and it's still shit. What do you want us to say? You already know what you need to do yet you're not doing it. If you enjoy wasting your life then stay with him. At this point, you are the maker of your own misery.

Confusedpapoose · 28/02/2022 23:33

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I can't read through massive paragraphs of words.

But it's sounds like he's a shit. What are you asking?

Why don’t you just read the post? Ffs
yellowtwo · 01/03/2022 00:17

Op, you can't really believe this. Imagine this is a close friend of yours telling you her partner said this:
for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone.
Please don't waste anymore time on him and start planning to leave.
Did he ever find his wedding ring?

Quirkyme · 01/03/2022 00:36

"H is honestly the best husband you can as for"

But he's not though is he.

TheVanguardSix · 01/03/2022 00:53

This guy’s a pilot? Tell us what airline so we know not to risk our lives! He sounds like he’s just a complete and utter batshit, off the rails risk taker. And of course he’s been a good little hubby wubby, supporting you through your mental health crises. He’s caused them! He supports you out of guilt not love! You say you haven’t been easy to live with. What’s he then? A walk in the park? Maybe the dogging one!

cuno · 01/03/2022 01:17

Have you not heard of the Madonna-whore complex?! It couldn't be any more blindingly obvious he has used prostitutes! You had overwhelming evidence in front of your eyes and you believed his sob story. Get some self respect, leave him and get tested.

Marvellousmadness · 01/03/2022 02:00

I voted yabu as you still waist your time talking about this man.
Leave him. Your marriage was over a long time ago. Time to move on and be happy again

Totalwasteofpaper · 01/03/2022 04:18

Your marriage is dead

Are your parents helping to initiate divorce proceedings while he is away???