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H and prostitutes - update

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princesjet2 · 28/02/2022 10:31

Update on 'D and Prostitutes' post

Hi Everyone

I wanted to give everyone an update, I've name changed as my H knew I had posted here. I posted in November about my H and I have pasted the original post below this new one. Thank you to everyone who responded, it's really helped me. Since my last post, more has happened. I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

When I confronted him about what 'before I've just been wasted and it meant nothing' meant, he said he was meaning just talking to girls. This friend then messaged my husband encouraging him to message her and keep it a secret from me. The real kick in the teeth is that when I finally moved out to where my husband is, this friend had to move out of his apartment and lived with us for six weeks. He also said he had been considering breaking up with me during this period for something that I did months before (he is a pilot and had an engine failure, I wasnt supportive of him at the time and i can readily admit that, he felt he couldnt rely on me, I think I just didnt appreciate how scary it must have been). I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends.

I then found an old phone memory card of his from 2-3 years ago, in the apps section both bumble and tinder were named as being files on his phone. I checked the last thing he had googled, and it was escorts in our hometown. Bear in mind this is from years ago. He just flat out denied these things when I brought them up and laughed at how ridiculous the accusation was, he sounded completely relaxed and genuinely baffled. He really is a very convincing individual.

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks. I'm planning my next move with my parents help.

To update everyone on the question I was asked a few times as to whether he had sent the message asking about the wedding ring to everyone he was out with, yes he did send it to the friend he was put with as he showed me. He said he was just so drunk the night before he couldnt remember how he got home and the morning after was filled with hangover anxiety that he had done something.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this.

OP posts:
Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 14:42

Putting the massive cheating with prostitutes issue to the side; from that message with his friend, it sounds like he habitually cheats.

He answered he didn't want anything to happen yet, because things were different this woman, whereas wirh the past ones he'd just been wasted (the only interpretation of that u can can is that he had done stuff ie sexial contact with previous women (while wasted).

He's a habitual.cheater who even talks openly about it with his friends.

And then he talking about that particular woman being different.... who h suggests that, in addition to casual cheating (as if that's not bad enough) he's capable of an affair, and possibly of getting "serious" with another woman and maybe blind siding you by leaving you.

How could anyone have a real, decent relationship , let alone marriage with a man with his attitude to fidelity?!

He clearly has no qualms, no moral objections , pretty much no conscience... and apparently feels totally entitled tk have other women, both women he picks up, and prostitutes.

He's totally and utterly nog cut-out for monogamous relationships, yet insists on having a farce of one with you, and no doubt the next partner ahem victim of his.

He is impossible as a partner or husband.

And all this sick manipulation and emotional blackmail as well.

What a fucked up individual.

He'll always lead a double life.

You need to get out and stay out or he'll destroy you.

princesjet2 · 09/04/2022 23:04

Hi everyone
It's been a while since I posted and I got such great advice in my last post that I wanted to reach out again.
So I separated from my husband and moved out. I've been trying to move on with my life and started dating someone. I've been feeling really positive about everything but had a huge panic attack today and have been filled with regret and anxiety about leaving my husband. There are things the guy I'm dating does/doesnt do that make me unfavourably compare him to my husband. I ended up calling my husband and breaking down. He is still adamant he never slept with anyone else and when I told him about me dating someone else he said that he still loved me and would forgive me but then listed the things I need to work on within myself. He is going to do alie detector test on Monday and send me the results to prove he didnt cheat on me.i left the conversation feeling so incredibly low and guilty and like I really miss him. Its like the sadness and anxiety over leaving him has finally caught up to me. I cant sleep or eat and I cant help but think that in 10 years time I'm going to look back and regret leaving him. Please help Sad

OP posts:
groeggmeg · 09/04/2022 23:13

The whole situation is an utter shit show by the sounds of it, you would be absolutely mad to even consider taking this man back from what you’ve said. What I really can’t understand is why after less than a month you’re dating someone new?! It’s all bonkers.

VerbenaVerbena · 09/04/2022 23:18

You are looking externally for something that neither of these men will give you.
You need to be single.

NannyKrampus · 09/04/2022 23:20

Oh dear... Why are you shacking up with another guy instead of actually dealing with your own issues! Your hopefully ex H is a habitual liar serial cheat. You caught him. If it waddles, talks, looks and acts like a duck, it is a fucking duck! OP, learn to actually stand on your own feet and grow up.

storminateacupagain · 09/04/2022 23:24

Don't be stupid OP.
Read back your posts from the start.
Your H is a serial cheat and liar- he won't change but if you reall miss all that drama- go for it, waste your life.
You will be back on MN within months lamenting about him and your stupidity.

princesjet2 · 09/04/2022 23:26

It's sadly not as easy as just clicking your fingers and moving on - I have good days and bad days. Please be kind on the post, I'm in a very fragile state mentally right now.

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GarlandsinGreece · 09/04/2022 23:29

Listen, if this was a one-off, and he was extremely repentant and perhaps willing to go to couples’ therapy, I’d say that you have a chance.

The reality is he’s sleeping with all and sundry while on his travels and won’t ever stop. Please pack your bags and get out.

Chickychoccyegg · 09/04/2022 23:44

Do not go back to your lying, cheating exh , you've done the hardest bit leaving him, getting back together would be absolute madness .
You need time alone to work everything out in your head.

BOOTS52 · 09/04/2022 23:45

Stay strong and keep busy when you are feeling low so you do not ring him as he will get worse if you go back. He has already listed things you need to change about yourself. He will continue his bad ways with other women and it will erode all your confidence. Be kind to yourself and talk to someone as it will help to give you a better perspective on things. Women who go back into these situations usually get punished by their partners for daring to leave them in the first place. Please think back to why you left in the first place. xx

Merryoldgoat · 09/04/2022 23:47

You have barely been separated 3 months after a really traumatic breakup - why are you in another relationship already?

Just take a break for yourself and make life work a bit better for you and ignore men for a while.

LoisLane66 · 09/04/2022 23:54

I'd just hope he is stone cold sober every time he checks in to fly.
As for the lack of sex, maybe he has a low sex drive and his excitement comes from illicit calls to prostitute sites and the fact that he's doing it without any intention of fulfilling the dream.

LoisLane66 · 09/04/2022 23:57

@NannyKrampus has it nailed.

Courtjobby · 10/04/2022 00:02

As I learned myself in the past you can't have a healthy relationship with someone else until you have one with yourself. In my opinion it's good to take the space to heal from your past relationship. Get to know yourself better. What you like to do and also to fall in love with yourself. When you have you will have a much better sense of the kind of person who is good enough for you

k1233 · 10/04/2022 00:10

Yeah, I'd ease off on the new relationship and take time to heal yourself. That you are thinking your ex sounds good after giving you a list of things you need to "work on" indicates you are not in the best place. Take time to build up your sense of self so you get angry when someone does that to you.

HRTQueen · 10/04/2022 00:15

You always felt he was too good for you he was well aware of this …

He isn’t you are too good for him. He is lying please move on you deserve better

princesjet2 · 10/04/2022 00:26

Thank you so much everyone. The person I am seeing is really just a long time friend who saw me through all of this, from the very beginning, and even if it doesnt go anywhere I'm really grateful to this person for helping me in a time of great need.
I've had long conversations with my mum about this and she thinks my ex is a narcissist, who will never accept any blame. After my conversation with my ex I felt like a really bad person who had made a huge mistake leaving him. I need to be strong and completely ignore him going forward. I guess it didnt really hit me that my marriage was truly over until today and it sent me on a tailspin, as he was the person I relied on and who was always there for me no matter what, so Its very hard to lose that.

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BitOutOfPractice · 10/04/2022 00:31

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks

You k ow it’s carrying on there don’t you?

CrowAndABut · 10/04/2022 00:31

With kindness, you need to find a great councillor and spend some time on you.

Serialbreeder · 10/04/2022 00:33

He’s left you with no choice really, you have to leave him. This will destroy who you are otherwise, and it’s not easy to get that back.

AcrossthePond55 · 10/04/2022 00:35

You jumped right from one relationship straight into another. This is NEVER a good idea.

You need time for you, by yourself, to discover who you really are and what you really want for yourself. You can't do that when you're involved with someone else. And saying "What I want is a relationship" isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about YOU. About who YOU are.

My advice is to tell your exH that you had a moment of weakness and that you don't want to get back together. That man has more baggage than the cargo hold of a 747. And this 'new man' needs to go too. You aren't in the right place to see him clearly, you are seeing him with the 'eyes' of your prior relationship.

Take a break. Learn to know and love yourself.

EliyanahM · 10/04/2022 00:39

Yuck get out sis please

RobertsRadio · 10/04/2022 00:45

@Elnetthairnet

I’d be seriously considering contacting his employer and letting them know that he is threatening suicide and claims to have had a heart attack. It isn’t your job to look after him - your marriage is over. Id be worried about all those people who might be getting onto a plane this allegedly suicidal person is flying. It would be unreasonable not to share your concerns.
This was my thought too. Never mind about your ridiculous on-off relationship with a husband who obviously has been visiting sex workers all your married life. Try behaving like an adult and think about the passengers getting on a plane with your suicidal DH with his heart problems and pox ridden cock.
princesjet2 · 10/04/2022 00:53

I've already mentioned this - he doesn't have a job right now so is not flying. If he was, I would have stepped in. He has to go for extensive medical and psychiatric tests prior to being allowed to fly if he gets another job.

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Herja · 10/04/2022 00:54

You can do it OP. I assure you, you will NOT look back in 10 years and regret not keeping on a liar who was fucking prostitutes. My dickheads have been very different to your dickhead, but I feel this advice still crosses over well: all you know for certainty is that you cannot trust him, so don't believe a word he says. Always asume he's looking after his own needs first.

It's fucking hard. My ExH (broken up 5.5 years) managed to shake my confidence and confuse me so much I was sobbing for over an hour and had to ask an impartial professional if it was me and I was wrong and stupid: they thought not and felt he was entirely at fault. It's an incredible hold a manipulative bastard can have. But just remember, that's what he is. A manipulative bastard you can't trust.