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H and prostitutes - update

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princesjet2 · 28/02/2022 10:31

Update on 'D and Prostitutes' post

Hi Everyone

I wanted to give everyone an update, I've name changed as my H knew I had posted here. I posted in November about my H and I have pasted the original post below this new one. Thank you to everyone who responded, it's really helped me. Since my last post, more has happened. I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

When I confronted him about what 'before I've just been wasted and it meant nothing' meant, he said he was meaning just talking to girls. This friend then messaged my husband encouraging him to message her and keep it a secret from me. The real kick in the teeth is that when I finally moved out to where my husband is, this friend had to move out of his apartment and lived with us for six weeks. He also said he had been considering breaking up with me during this period for something that I did months before (he is a pilot and had an engine failure, I wasnt supportive of him at the time and i can readily admit that, he felt he couldnt rely on me, I think I just didnt appreciate how scary it must have been). I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends.

I then found an old phone memory card of his from 2-3 years ago, in the apps section both bumble and tinder were named as being files on his phone. I checked the last thing he had googled, and it was escorts in our hometown. Bear in mind this is from years ago. He just flat out denied these things when I brought them up and laughed at how ridiculous the accusation was, he sounded completely relaxed and genuinely baffled. He really is a very convincing individual.

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks. I'm planning my next move with my parents help.

To update everyone on the question I was asked a few times as to whether he had sent the message asking about the wedding ring to everyone he was out with, yes he did send it to the friend he was put with as he showed me. He said he was just so drunk the night before he couldnt remember how he got home and the morning after was filled with hangover anxiety that he had done something.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this.

OP posts:
GeneLovesJezebel · 10/03/2022 09:21

He is trying to control you.
Please go no contact and move home.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 09:22

*fake health issues

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 09:30

Can you not block his number?

You shouldn't be subjected to his crazy, desperate, fake crises aimed at getting you to be sympathetic to.him and stay with him.

He has some prebuous heart iddue do hrs going for that , other posters exes generally go for overdoses, suicide attempts, severe depression etc. But somehow always manage to survive and reel the next woman in. It just tragic whst being caught out as a prostitute using cheater will do to your life Hmm

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 09:32

*some previous heart issues

NewtoHolland · 10/03/2022 09:38

Have you had your STI screening and results yet? I'd be much more concerned about your health than his to be honest. He's continuously put your health and wellbeing at risk.

This kind of thing with the non specific photo sounds very much coercive control and that would make sense as to why you feel so confused around this all when he's absolutely trampled on your boundaries and trust.

Seek support from a domestic abuse service.

As for him, wish him well, block and delete and start your new life.

Eddielizzard · 10/03/2022 09:38

Classic. Turning everything around on you so that he's actually the victim and it's all your fault. Low blow for a health scare, but another classic technique. You have checked out, grey rock the fuck out of him while you plan your exit.

Trying2310 · 10/03/2022 09:48

Go no contact immediately. Get a new number and while he is away clear the house of all the important documents. He is getting desperate now and he knows you want to leave him. Domestic abuse charities say that the leaving process can become the most dangerous time. He has gaslighted you all these years successfully, now he realises he can't and the mystery heart attack appears.

I have never said LTB on here before but in this case I am shouting it at the phone while reading this. He is a vile manipulative excuse of a human being. Think 5 years down the line and you could be so much happier. Make the right decision as we only get one shot of this life.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 10:15

I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

So he's also a common garden cheater as well as a prostitute user.

Even if he's truly never done anything with any of the women he's been chatting with.

He sounds like grnerally unfaithful guy.

His job title no doubt helps him get opportunities with women. And his job means plenty of opportunity for cheating too.
He doesn't sound remotely trustworthy.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 10:16

He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all.

That sounds like he had actually had sexual.contact with previous women.

BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez · 10/03/2022 10:21

The next time he mentions a medical problem or thoughts of suicide show grave concern and mention how you're so worried and you need to contact his employer because this is really serious. His reaction will show how genuine this is.

What a terrible man. Please leave him asap and give yourself plenty of time to heal and learn to trust your feelings and instincts after all his extreme gaslighting.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 10:21

Oh and on the "you're not done up enough wity lingerie, hair do makeup etc" for me to want or enjoy sex with you ...... unrealistic at the best of times, but wtf would happen with babies and small kids???!!!

When women are a breast feeding, exhausted, sleep deprived, sped covered harried Mum.

He's never going to stop cheating, and on the prostitute front, a punter is a punter for life. Prostitutes sat yhst on here, its always their last time. They may take a break but they always come back.

When you're attitude to sex and relationship is like his, there's never going to be fidelity.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 10:22

*spew

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 10:23

Would he not need to stop working immediately if he's having heart problems, he can't fly like that.

He needs to sign off instantly. Has he not done so.

Hmm
EveningOverRooftops · 10/03/2022 10:27

@princesjet2

My family think he faked the whole thing to force me into replying, as he was apparently discharged within a few hours and is completely fine. He sent me a photo of himself apparently in the hospital but all it is is him in a t-shirt sitting in a bed, which could very easily be his own hotel room bed. I'm all over the place and cannot believe I've ended up in this situation.
Given his job and this alleged heart attack he would be immediately grounded and not fit to work.

He is bullshitting you OP.

And I say this as someone who’s ex faked a mini stroke when he was away with his other woman.

I was already highly stressed as a family member was dying so I didn’t see all the red flags from his claim of being hospitalised.

He’s lying to you. He knows you’re leaving and is trying to scare you into staying.

MinnieGirl · 10/03/2022 10:37

@princesjet2

So I have been avoiding H's calls and he then messaged me and said he had had a heart attack. He is 33 years old and he does have history of heart issues, however it seems like they reappear when he has been cornered about something. For example when I confronted him originally about the prostitutes he started having palpitations and it ended up being me helping him instead of dealing with the issue.
If your husband had a heart attack, the hospital would call you, his employer would call you, his work mates would call you. Highly unlikely, and that’s being generous. And to be brutal, if you were divorced and he had a heart attack he couldn’t expect you to come running. Ask him what hospital/medical centre he was treated at and to send you his discharge summary…
Elnetthairnet · 10/03/2022 10:38

I’d be seriously considering contacting his employer and letting them know that he is threatening suicide and claims to have had a heart attack. It isn’t your job to look after him - your marriage is over. Id be worried about all those people who might be getting onto a plane this allegedly suicidal person is flying. It would be unreasonable not to share your concerns.

MinnieGirl · 10/03/2022 10:45

@princesjet2

My family think he faked the whole thing to force me into replying, as he was apparently discharged within a few hours and is completely fine. He sent me a photo of himself apparently in the hospital but all it is is him in a t-shirt sitting in a bed, which could very easily be his own hotel room bed. I'm all over the place and cannot believe I've ended up in this situation.
He’s lied to you about everything! Your whole marriage is one big lie… sorry to be blunt but you cannot believe a word this man says.

He is out of the country so you have time to pack and leave. Take everything you want as he will destroy your things out of spite. Make sure you have any evidence you may need, like his old SIM card, and take screen shots from his pc if you can.

Don’t answer any more of his calls, but keep them in your phone as well as all his txts.
Contact a solicitor to see where you stand and most importantly get a full std check. This man has been with goodness knows how many woman you need to be safe.

MinnieGirl · 10/03/2022 10:47

@BoyGirlDogCatMouseCheez

The next time he mentions a medical problem or thoughts of suicide show grave concern and mention how you're so worried and you need to contact his employer because this is really serious. His reaction will show how genuine this is.

What a terrible man. Please leave him asap and give yourself plenty of time to heal and learn to trust your feelings and instincts after all his extreme gaslighting.

Can pilots work after a heart attack?
CaveMum · 10/03/2022 10:53

@MinnieGirl I suspect there are strict rules around the state of pilot's mental health too. No airline would ever allow a pilot who has threatened suicide to fly.

@princesjet2 if you have any evidence (texts, WhatsApps, etc) where he has made these threats then I would be forwarding them on to his employer immediately.

Brainwave89 · 10/03/2022 10:56

Hi Op. I have a slightly different view to most on the thread. I suspect from your post that your husband has some addiction issues. Hence his use of prostitutes and what looks like more casual sex. This is reasonably common. It may be possible to move forward from this if he is entirely honest on what he has been doing and why he is doing it. The questions for you to answer are 1) Can you forgive? 2) Is he being honest 3) Will he enter therapy? It could be a long road from here.

princesjet2 · 10/03/2022 11:18

Thank you everyone.

He is not currently flying as he is undergoing training to change the type of flying license he has so he can fly in the US (he lost his original job during covid).
I've booked an airbnb for a short term basis and then I'm viewing an apartment today for long term.
It's my birthday tomorrow and he is adamant he is flying home for it, even though he should stay in the US for another week or so whilst he has interviews. After the heart attack incident I've been pretending everything is fine with us as I really didnt want him to drop out of his course. He has now finished and passed the course so I'm not sure whether to tell him whilst he is still out there that I'm leaving or just wait for him to find out when he comes back to an empty flat.

OP posts:
PorpoiseWithPurpose · 10/03/2022 11:39

@Brainwave89

Hi Op. I have a slightly different view to most on the thread. I suspect from your post that your husband has some addiction issues. Hence his use of prostitutes and what looks like more casual sex. This is reasonably common. It may be possible to move forward from this if he is entirely honest on what he has been doing and why he is doing it. The questions for you to answer are 1) Can you forgive? 2) Is he being honest 3) Will he enter therapy? It could be a long road from here.
Worst advice on this entire thread
Gazorpazorp · 10/03/2022 11:54

@princesjet2

Thank you everyone.

He is not currently flying as he is undergoing training to change the type of flying license he has so he can fly in the US (he lost his original job during covid).
I've booked an airbnb for a short term basis and then I'm viewing an apartment today for long term.
It's my birthday tomorrow and he is adamant he is flying home for it, even though he should stay in the US for another week or so whilst he has interviews. After the heart attack incident I've been pretending everything is fine with us as I really didnt want him to drop out of his course. He has now finished and passed the course so I'm not sure whether to tell him whilst he is still out there that I'm leaving or just wait for him to find out when he comes back to an empty flat.

I’m not usually one to advocate not communicating but definitely don’t tell him you’re leaving. He’ll only find some way to manipulate you into staying - some drama or threat of harm to himself that will scare you into submission. Don’t give him the opportunity.
WallaceinAnderland · 10/03/2022 12:46

He lied to you.

He cheated on you.

He lied some more.

He uses prostitutes and lies to you about it.

He faked palpitations to manipulate you.

He threatened self harm to manipulate you.

He lied about a heart attack to manipulate you.

And he blames you for all this because you 'stopped making an effort to dress up for him'

Tell him it's over and absolutely do not see him on your birthday even if he does fly over. Go out for the day. Stay in hotel somewhere and ignore any messages from him.

Stop allowing him to manipulate you.

Have a lovely birthday with friends/family and make this the start of a new life without him.

KatyRebecca84 · 10/03/2022 12:55

Get out! He does not love you. Someone who treats you like this has no respect let alone love for you.

He doesn't want sex with you as he's getting it elsewhere!

Have more respect for yourself and find someone who will truly love you.

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