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H and prostitutes - update

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princesjet2 · 28/02/2022 10:31

Update on 'D and Prostitutes' post

Hi Everyone

I wanted to give everyone an update, I've name changed as my H knew I had posted here. I posted in November about my H and I have pasted the original post below this new one. Thank you to everyone who responded, it's really helped me. Since my last post, more has happened. I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

When I confronted him about what 'before I've just been wasted and it meant nothing' meant, he said he was meaning just talking to girls. This friend then messaged my husband encouraging him to message her and keep it a secret from me. The real kick in the teeth is that when I finally moved out to where my husband is, this friend had to move out of his apartment and lived with us for six weeks. He also said he had been considering breaking up with me during this period for something that I did months before (he is a pilot and had an engine failure, I wasnt supportive of him at the time and i can readily admit that, he felt he couldnt rely on me, I think I just didnt appreciate how scary it must have been). I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends.

I then found an old phone memory card of his from 2-3 years ago, in the apps section both bumble and tinder were named as being files on his phone. I checked the last thing he had googled, and it was escorts in our hometown. Bear in mind this is from years ago. He just flat out denied these things when I brought them up and laughed at how ridiculous the accusation was, he sounded completely relaxed and genuinely baffled. He really is a very convincing individual.

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks. I'm planning my next move with my parents help.

To update everyone on the question I was asked a few times as to whether he had sent the message asking about the wedding ring to everyone he was out with, yes he did send it to the friend he was put with as he showed me. He said he was just so drunk the night before he couldnt remember how he got home and the morning after was filled with hangover anxiety that he had done something.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this.

OP posts:
EatsQuorn · 10/04/2022 08:10

I'd also seriously question his heart attacks . I can't believe anyone still being allowed a pilot's licence if he is telling you he has had a few of them .

crosbystillsandmash · 10/04/2022 08:12

@tae19

The term you are looking for is Sex workers.
This. So tired of seeing this.

Your 'd'h sounds absolutely hideous.

longwayoff · 10/04/2022 08:24

He's a pig and he won't change. If you want to keep him then do so but get checked at the sexual health clinic frequently.

HopelesslyOptimistic · 10/04/2022 08:39

@NannyKrampus

Oh dear... Why are you shacking up with another guy instead of actually dealing with your own issues! Your hopefully ex H is a habitual liar serial cheat. You caught him. If it waddles, talks, looks and acts like a duck, it is a fucking duck! OP, learn to actually stand on your own feet and grow up.
Totally agree. No doubt this husband is vile, pathological liar, self obsessed and entitled. However, OP, get a bloody grip. Why on Earth would you seek out another man? Surely you need healthy head space (with continued family support) to avoid being deceived back into this mans life. Come on be strong, get the hell away from men for a while.
HopelesslyOptimistic · 10/04/2022 08:41

@Indicatrice

This is just exhausting. I changed my vote to YABU because you are choosing to prolong this shit show, OP.
Couldn't agree more. Tuning out but good luck OP,
Threetulips · 10/04/2022 08:59

He said he’d forgive you for leaving?

Well there’s him putting you on the back foot and him taking all the power - if he truly loved you he would work on his own issues.

You can do this OP, they say it takes an average of 9 times to leave an abusive man - and they do leave - more bartered and bruised than the first time.

But ending a long term relationship is live a bereavement - it’s going to take time to heal.

Have you returned to the UK? Would you consider it?

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 10/04/2022 09:03

This whole thing is just batshit!

And yes, please let us know which airline if he gets another job so that we can avoid!

Jedsnewstar · 10/04/2022 09:05

Op you need therapy. You seen one bad day away from going back to a narcissist abuser, with his list of ‘how to be a good wife’ in your hand.

Tara12 · 10/04/2022 09:09

I suggest he prefers other types of sex which are not generally ageeable to you.
No stockings in all the world will make you what he is obsessed with.
He sounds an absolute creep.

I think you need to read up about abuse in relationships. And go and have tests for STDs.
You can always contact Womens Aid in the UK.
At least join their forum.
I'm glad you are escaping.

TheBigPeach · 10/04/2022 09:44

This!

TheBigPeach · 10/04/2022 09:46

@Totalwasteofpaper

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Yes it is hard but good you know what you need to do.

Please listen here: Once you leave your husband stay the hell away from the poor bugger in the office and take some time out Alon/single working on healing yourself
I am taking a year minimum. Not 2 weeks.

This is for your benefit not office fuckbuddies benefit.
Jumping into another relationship has disaster ALL over it. If he is a shining Prince amongst men he will be there in 23/24 and youncan hold hands on the beach then.

Sorry meant to quote Totalwasteofpaper. Her advice is spot on.
JohannSebastianBach · 10/04/2022 09:46

If he's suffering with suicidal thoughts you should report him to his airline. They aren't allowed to fly in those circumstances.

Onehappymam · 10/04/2022 09:49

Your mum is spot on. He certainly sounds like a narcissist and a dangerous one at that.

You need to cut all ties with him. The man you loved doesn’t exist.

Could you access counselling to unpick your feelings and see him for what he is?

CandyLeBonBon · 10/04/2022 10:02

@Maternitynamechange

God he’s the worst isn’t he? He gave you a list of stuff to work on? I bet he told you it takes two to make a relationship work and you have to admit your own faults in all of this. It’s bull shit. Take it from a bunch of women who haven’t been brainwashed by him - never, ever go back to this man.
^^this.

I got rid of one who did exactly the same. Classic narcissistic behaviour.

Please ditch the other fella stay away from the narc and work on yourself.

babywalker56 · 10/04/2022 10:04

@princesjet2

Hi everyone It's been a while since I posted and I got such great advice in my last post that I wanted to reach out again. So I separated from my husband and moved out. I've been trying to move on with my life and started dating someone. I've been feeling really positive about everything but had a huge panic attack today and have been filled with regret and anxiety about leaving my husband. There are things the guy I'm dating does/doesnt do that make me unfavourably compare him to my husband. I ended up calling my husband and breaking down. He is still adamant he never slept with anyone else and when I told him about me dating someone else he said that he still loved me and would forgive me but then listed the things I need to work on within myself. He is going to do alie detector test on Monday and send me the results to prove he didnt cheat on me.i left the conversation feeling so incredibly low and guilty and like I really miss him. Its like the sadness and anxiety over leaving him has finally caught up to me. I cant sleep or eat and I cant help but think that in 10 years time I'm going to look back and regret leaving him. Please help Sad
Not being funny but I don’t think anyone can help you here. You’ve received great advice so not sure what more you want from people. Your relationship sounds shambolic and on top of that you’re now dating someone new within a month? And then calling your husband who’s said he’s willing to ‘forgive you.’ This sounds like something on Jeremy Kyle and I honestly believe you’ll be better seperated
babywalker56 · 10/04/2022 10:04

And when I say seperated, I mean divorced

Crazykatie · 10/04/2022 10:18

I’m not sure wether it is thread is fiction or not.

One thing for sure if her husband has had heart attacks he has not got a pilots licence, the regular medicals would see to that. The thing is I’ve known individuals whose whole life is lie, nothing is true, sometimes their partner knows, very often they don’t. In this case he was probably a pilot then lost his licence and carried on with that lifestyle, away from home a lot and lived the lie.

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