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H and prostitutes - update

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princesjet2 · 28/02/2022 10:31

Update on 'D and Prostitutes' post

Hi Everyone

I wanted to give everyone an update, I've name changed as my H knew I had posted here. I posted in November about my H and I have pasted the original post below this new one. Thank you to everyone who responded, it's really helped me. Since my last post, more has happened. I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

When I confronted him about what 'before I've just been wasted and it meant nothing' meant, he said he was meaning just talking to girls. This friend then messaged my husband encouraging him to message her and keep it a secret from me. The real kick in the teeth is that when I finally moved out to where my husband is, this friend had to move out of his apartment and lived with us for six weeks. He also said he had been considering breaking up with me during this period for something that I did months before (he is a pilot and had an engine failure, I wasnt supportive of him at the time and i can readily admit that, he felt he couldnt rely on me, I think I just didnt appreciate how scary it must have been). I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends.

I then found an old phone memory card of his from 2-3 years ago, in the apps section both bumble and tinder were named as being files on his phone. I checked the last thing he had googled, and it was escorts in our hometown. Bear in mind this is from years ago. He just flat out denied these things when I brought them up and laughed at how ridiculous the accusation was, he sounded completely relaxed and genuinely baffled. He really is a very convincing individual.

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks. I'm planning my next move with my parents help.

To update everyone on the question I was asked a few times as to whether he had sent the message asking about the wedding ring to everyone he was out with, yes he did send it to the friend he was put with as he showed me. He said he was just so drunk the night before he couldnt remember how he got home and the morning after was filled with hangover anxiety that he had done something.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this.

OP posts:
1forAll74 · 01/03/2022 04:50

You shouldn't spend another minute having all this weirdness in your life, with an even weirder man. Whatever else he gets up to. he sounds completely and utterly immature..

needingpeace · 01/03/2022 05:52

Get out now

princesjet2 · 01/03/2022 06:01

Yes my parents are helping me to leave, but it's incredibly difficult because he is acting as though nothing is wrong and being incredibly sweet and caring. I feel like I have already checked out, there is a man at work that I've been friends with for months who I get on with better than I ever got on with my husband and we have been seeing each other a lot since my husband has been away. I really want to do something for myself, be happy and actually enjoy myself for a while. If anyone else has been with a partner who gaslights you then you know that they convince you you are crazy for thinking they have done anything wrong and up the guilt tripping and love bombing when they know something is wrong. I'm trying to extract myself from the situation but it is very difficult.

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labyrinthlaziness · 01/03/2022 06:04

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I can't read through massive paragraphs of words.

But it's sounds like he's a shit. What are you asking?

It is just normal writing? All paragraphs are comprised of words.
Spaciet · 01/03/2022 06:16

Am I crazy for believing him?

Yes, absolutely.

MessedOfTimes · 01/03/2022 06:52

Am I nuts or was that last thread deleted by MNHQ? Please disregard me entirely, and apologies in advance, if I’m wrong.

PorpoiseWithPurpose · 01/03/2022 07:13

None of our advice has changed from your last thread.

You need to leave this revolting punter.

TODAY.

Heronwatcher · 01/03/2022 07:19

I don’t really know what you’re hoping to gain here OP. Your various updates sound more and more suspicious and I would be willing to bet good money on the fact that he is regularly unfaithful. Plus, do you really want to live like this? Get out as soon as possible- you can do this and you’ll be much happier in the long run.

Porcupineintherough · 01/03/2022 07:30

So he's unfaithful, now you want to be unfaithful but it's hard to end your marriage- because what?

Donson · 01/03/2022 07:39

You’re unbelievably naive. I can’t believe the shapes he’s twisting himself in to lie to you and that you believe him.
It won’t get better, please pull yourself together and kick him out.

Totalwasteofpaper · 01/03/2022 08:28

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Yes it is hard but good you know what you need to do.

Please listen here: Once you leave your husband stay the hell away from the poor bugger in the office and take some time out Alon/single working on healing yourself
I am taking a year minimum. Not 2 weeks.

This is for your benefit not office fuckbuddies benefit.
Jumping into another relationship has disaster ALL over it. If he is a shining Prince amongst men he will be there in 23/24 and youncan hold hands on the beach then.

HiJenny35 · 01/03/2022 09:26

Man at work-no
Divorce-yes
Full sexual health check for std - yes
This thread seems pointless because it couldn't be any clearer that he's been with multiple prostitutes if he did while you watched and still you haven't left him. Look if you are happy to stay while he continues then that's up to you but he clearly has absolutely no respect for you, pretending he's a good husband is pointless and he isn't going to stop.

tae19 · 01/03/2022 20:39

The term you are looking for is Sex workers.

cuno · 01/03/2022 21:00

@tae19

The term you are looking for is Sex workers.
The term "sex work" legitimises the rape and exploitation of girls and women on a mass scale as actual work. It is commodifying consent even though it cannot be bought. Keep using that term and in the future women on benefits will be expected to widen their job search to include it, after all "sex work is work". Hmm
princesjet2 · 02/03/2022 06:49

Thanks everyone.

H is out the country at the moment and I called him last night and told him I was leaving him. He said he would do anything to save our marriage and there was no point in living if he didnt have me. I've never heard him speak like this before, I was genuinely scared for his safety as I think he would do something to himself whilst he is alone in another country. He also said that the a big part of the reason he hasnt been satisfied sexually is because I stopped making an effort to dress up for him, and if I wore sexy underwear and did my hair and makeup he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off me. I feel very trapped.

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FrecklesMalone · 02/03/2022 06:59

God he sounds worse the more you tell us. Threatening suicide is a last ditch attempt at controlling you. Only he is responsible for his actions. I doubt very much he would do anything to hurt himself and if he does it's not because of you but because of his actions.
And FUCK OFF with the dressing sexy shite. Why would you find him attractive after what he has done. Please find your strength and leave you can't spend your only life with this cunt.

PermanentTemporary · 02/03/2022 07:00

Believe me, in the days before my husband took his own life he was not talking to me about my lingerie. This man is the one who is trapping you.

PurpleFlower1983 · 02/03/2022 07:04

You’re wasting you life with him. He’s manipulative and disgusting. Doesn’t want sex with you but happy to go with prostitutes. He’s disgusting.

WouldIwasShookspeared · 02/03/2022 07:06

He's full of shit.
He just never thought you'd have the balls to leave him.

He won't hurt himself in any serious way. It's just manipulation.

If you stay, you are actively choosing to continue being treated with contempt.
Could that ever make you happy?

PurpleFlower1983 · 02/03/2022 07:06

@princesjet2

Thanks everyone.

H is out the country at the moment and I called him last night and told him I was leaving him. He said he would do anything to save our marriage and there was no point in living if he didnt have me. I've never heard him speak like this before, I was genuinely scared for his safety as I think he would do something to himself whilst he is alone in another country. He also said that the a big part of the reason he hasnt been satisfied sexually is because I stopped making an effort to dress up for him, and if I wore sexy underwear and did my hair and makeup he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off me. I feel very trapped.

Oh you poor thing! This is how I felt with my manipulative ex! He said exactly the same things to me, he also threatened suicide. In my case I believed him but nothing improved, in fact it got worse. Get out while you can! Pack your stuff while he is away! Save yourself years of misery!
Maunderingdrunkenly · 02/03/2022 07:12

He’s trying to keep you busy with your own insecurity so you don’t threaten to leave. For your own sanity STOP believing a damn word he says. Start separating what you feel inside and what you’re communicating to him.

You’re wide open to manipulation at the minute. People as self interested as him DO NOT kill themselves. Wise up!

HoppingPavlova · 02/03/2022 07:12

He also said that the a big part of the reason he hasnt been satisfied sexually is because I stopped making an effort to dress up for him, and if I wore sexy underwear and did my hair and makeup he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off me. I feel very trapped.

Are you kidding? I wouldn’t feel trapped, I’d feel utterly repulsed by a man who said this. It would make all my bits shrivel up instantly. So, turns out all your fault hey, surprise, surprise. Very typical with men, their actions are all due to a ladies faults as they rely on self-delusion Hmm.

BlondeDogLady · 02/03/2022 07:19

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk

Are you saying that you believe his denials, over and above the absolute evidence to the contrary that you saw with your own eyes?

Hiddenvoice · 02/03/2022 07:23

You are doing the right thing by leaving him. He is never going to change. The only reason he’s not ended the relationship himself is because all these girls he’s chasing after don’t want a relationship with him- only a little bit of fun.

He was acting sweet because he’s afraid of being alone and afraid of being the one to blame for your marriage ending.
He’s already trying to get the blame in by claiming you’ve ruined your sex life which is ridiculous. You don’t need to dress up for someone who loves you.
He’s gas lighting you and hoping if he makes you feel bad then you will stay.
You’ve put up with so much, you’ve tried to make the marriage work but he has not.
Ignore his comments and leave him.

BlondeDogLady · 02/03/2022 07:26

I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends

Because you are his free maid and he wouldn't find anyone else so gullible as to believe these ridiculous cockamamey stores.

You're not his sexual partner - he reserves sex for other women, however, I would bet my hat that you do the bulk of the housework and cooking? That's why he doesn't mind letting you move over there.

When are you going to wake up would be my question?

I've read about some horrific men on here, but this one really takes the biscuit.