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H and prostitutes - update

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princesjet2 · 28/02/2022 10:31

Update on 'D and Prostitutes' post

Hi Everyone

I wanted to give everyone an update, I've name changed as my H knew I had posted here. I posted in November about my H and I have pasted the original post below this new one. Thank you to everyone who responded, it's really helped me. Since my last post, more has happened. I ended up checking H phone again and found a message to one of his friends a year ago saying that he had met this amazing girl on a night out (we were going through a rough patch and he had relocated to another country and I was still in the UK wrapping things up before also moving). He said in the message he didnt do anything at all with her, his friend asks if he has been messaging her and he replied saying 'trying not to because before I've just been wasted and meant nothing at all. This is different so I've got to be pretty careful.'

When I confronted him about what 'before I've just been wasted and it meant nothing' meant, he said he was meaning just talking to girls. This friend then messaged my husband encouraging him to message her and keep it a secret from me. The real kick in the teeth is that when I finally moved out to where my husband is, this friend had to move out of his apartment and lived with us for six weeks. He also said he had been considering breaking up with me during this period for something that I did months before (he is a pilot and had an engine failure, I wasnt supportive of him at the time and i can readily admit that, he felt he couldnt rely on me, I think I just didnt appreciate how scary it must have been). I'm annoyed by this because if he was considering breaking up with me, why let me give up my job in our home country and move to where he is where I had no job and no friends.

I then found an old phone memory card of his from 2-3 years ago, in the apps section both bumble and tinder were named as being files on his phone. I checked the last thing he had googled, and it was escorts in our hometown. Bear in mind this is from years ago. He just flat out denied these things when I brought them up and laughed at how ridiculous the accusation was, he sounded completely relaxed and genuinely baffled. He really is a very convincing individual.

He is currently out of the country on work and will be for another two weeks. I'm planning my next move with my parents help.

To update everyone on the question I was asked a few times as to whether he had sent the message asking about the wedding ring to everyone he was out with, yes he did send it to the friend he was put with as he showed me. He said he was just so drunk the night before he couldnt remember how he got home and the morning after was filled with hangover anxiety that he had done something.

ORIGINAL POST BELOW

I want to start this by saying it is probably going to be a long thread, so thank you to those who bear with me and read the whole thing.

My H has always had a strange relationship with sex. We have been together 9 years (no kids) and our sex life has never been what I hoped it would be. The sex is great when we actually do it, however H very rarely initiates and when I initiate, he often says he is too tired. We have gone months at a time without having sex. Over the years I have tried initating myself, calmly explaining to H how important sex is in a marriage and how it makes me insecure and crying and saying that this issue could end our marriage. He always agrees and promises to make more of an effort but after a week or so it goes back to normal.
H is honestly the best husband you could ask for. He has supported me financially and emotionally for 8 years, often to his own detriment, and has continually supported me with my own mental health issues. I have not been an easy person to be with at times. He puts me first in every single way, never gets angry, and truly loves me. I have no doubt of this. He has always been the 'perfect' one, whether it's as a husband, friend or family member. He is a genuinely nice man. However, he had a very fractured childhood and is his own harshest critic, he cannot tolerate himself being anything less than perfect. A few years ago we had just stopped doing long distance and I saw a message on his phone to a friend of his (sent during our time apart) that said he had brought two women back to his flat after a night out. I hit the roof and his explanation was that he had been trying to fit in with a 'laddish' group of friends he had made and had sent the message drunkenly, with no truth to it. I believed him as I do see that he constantly strives to fit in.
Fast forward to last night. We had friends round for drinks and something one of them said (nothing to do with women) raised alarm bells. It strongly implied he had lied about something in order to impress them. This has happened once before and I let it go, however something just didn't sit right and (I'm ashamed to admit) I looked at his phone when he was sleeping. I found numerous whatsapp messages to prostitute hotlines (we live in a country where this is sadly accessable) basically asking for sexual services. In some of the messages he has bartered the price, stated that he would like a discount as he 'had this one before' and has asked for photos of the different women to be sent to him. There are also messages saying he is 'ten minutes away' and asking for their location etc. He lost his wedding ring on a night out about six weeks ago and I saw one message saying that he thinks he left his grandfathers ring at the location the night before and could they please check. I was absolutely heartbroken and confronted him. He completely broke down and eventually explained everything. He found this mortifying as it was a crack in his 'perfect' facade. He said that he sends these messages to different companies when he is very drunk as he is seeking a thrill. When I asked him about why he would need directions etc and why he had asked about his wedding ring, for the former he said that they only send pictures if you confirm you are on your way and for the latter he said that he had panicked the next morning and messaged everyone, including the friends he had been out with, without thinking. He said that he has always had an issue with sex and he is very much 'in his own head', I know this is true and knowing him for 9 years, I can genuinely believe that this is a fantasy he is acting out instead of something he would act on. He was absolutely adamant that he has never actually slept with or met any of these women and never would.

I feel oddly calm, and part of me was almost relieved that this man I had felt for years was too good for me, also had flaws. I am a naturally very suspicious person but I do genuinely believe that he hasnt acted on these fantasies. What I can't get my head around is that our lack of sex over the years has really dented my confidence and caused (the only) major issue in our marriage. I also have spent years thinking he is perfect and too good for me and been completely open with him about my own flaws, and I feel like this has been a lie.

Am I crazy for believing him? If I choose to believe that this is all a fantasy, would anyone else view this as being a flaw that they are willing to overlook (provided it never happens again,) and deem it not that big a deal? I don't know how to feel except that I overreacted, as he is saying that as he never did and never would act on it, it's just a stupid thing he does when very drunk. He also says that he is so ashamed of himself that no matter how angry I am at him, he will always hate himself more. I told him that I forgave him and that we can move on, however he said it didnt matter if I forgave him, he could never forgive himself and I do believe this (ties into him being his own harshest critic).

I'm sorry for this long post, but I feel very confused and I really need some perspective on this.

OP posts:
TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 02/03/2022 07:29

If he does anything to himself, it IS NOT YOUR FAULT! Please do not let him manipulate you by saying things like this.

He has broken this marriage, not you. Do you want to be writing about all of this again in a year's time? No. Get out now. He is a lying, manipulative bastard and you, yourself says he is gaslighting you.

Get away from him now.

SummerRain41287 · 02/03/2022 07:48

Jesus Christ, OP. You deserve so much better than this. He doesn't want sex with you because he's having sex with other women, so he doesn't have the desire or the energy to have sex with you. He's taking the piss out of you and you need to leave. Asap.

KMTKaren · 02/03/2022 09:30

Stick to your guns and leave

PurpleFlower1983 · 02/03/2022 09:30

@SummerRain41287

Jesus Christ, OP. You deserve so much better than this. He doesn't want sex with you because he's having sex with other women, so he doesn't have the desire or the energy to have sex with you. He's taking the piss out of you and you need to leave. Asap.
Agree with this! My ex was the same! Couldn’t be bothered with me but happy to flirt, chat, shag others.
MiniCooperLover · 02/03/2022 09:46

OP you aren't trapped. He's pulling all the guilt trips in the book. It's very unlikely he'll harm himself, he's too selfish. He's just terrified of his cosy life ending and people possibly finding out about his private life outside his marriage!

HoppingPavlova · 03/03/2022 00:54

He was acting sweet because he’s afraid of being alone and afraid of being the one to blame for your marriage ending.

I don’t believe he is afraid of being alone as such. He’s afraid of having to do his laundry, was his dishes, pick up the Hoover and doing his own life admin. That’s his fear. The women he is shagging have the sense not to do any of this, hence he has the best of both worlds - his maid and life organiser (OP) and a smorgasbord of shags. Got nothing to do with being alone.

I think the guilt thing is correct though. Men don’t like that. Hence they try and push ‘blame’ onto women to absolve themselves of guilt.

princesjet2 · 09/03/2022 16:32

So I have been avoiding H's calls and he then messaged me and said he had had a heart attack. He is 33 years old and he does have history of heart issues, however it seems like they reappear when he has been cornered about something. For example when I confronted him originally about the prostitutes he started having palpitations and it ended up being me helping him instead of dealing with the issue.

OP posts:
ChiefWiggumsBoy · 09/03/2022 16:35

Honestly, just ignore. What is he expecting you to do? Are you a cardiologist? If not then is he saying his heart attack will be fine if you forgive him?

This is a situation of his own making and you owe him nothing, especially as you had already told him you were leaving him.

Flowers
LookItsMeAgain · 09/03/2022 17:07

Trained medical staff will help with his heart condition. Not you.

Get out. Stay out. Stay away from him. Have nothing further to do with him.

princesjet2 · 10/03/2022 04:52

My family think he faked the whole thing to force me into replying, as he was apparently discharged within a few hours and is completely fine. He sent me a photo of himself apparently in the hospital but all it is is him in a t-shirt sitting in a bed, which could very easily be his own hotel room bed. I'm all over the place and cannot believe I've ended up in this situation.

OP posts:
Randomness12 · 10/03/2022 05:50

OP he is lying to you, repeatedly. Faking illness and palpitations is classic, you will want to help and rescue him so you will be distracted from leaving. Ignore him and leave. Leave before he is due back - he will suck you back in if you see him. Take all the financial info, documents, your clothes, photos, everything as he will destroy what is yours once you’ve gone out of spite. Please leave this toxic waste of space and enjoy your life.

Rosieposie101 · 10/03/2022 05:58

You don't still believe him do you?

Mollyplop999 · 10/03/2022 06:01

This man is dangerous and controlling. Unfortunately he has chipped away at you for years and you are unable to see things with any proper prospective. You need to leave whilst he's away and cut contact. He won't harm himself, he loves himself too much.

Crazydoglady1980 · 10/03/2022 06:08

You need to leave, he is pulling out all the emotional tactic to manipulate you emotionally.
As difficult as it is, nothing will change for you until you leave. Do you still want to be living this life in 5/10 years?
It sounds like your H has issues of his own, but they are exactly that. He has no intention of working on them and when you talk to him about them, he is turning them on to you. All you can do is control your actions and how you respond now.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 10/03/2022 06:40

The thing is simple, if this is what you want for your life and you don't mind being it's someone who lies to you and manipulates you then for sure stay.
If you think this won't grind you down when you're elderly and when you think you could've made other choices, stay.

BigskyMontana · 10/03/2022 07:11

They need to make the next Netflix documentary about this man’s lies.

I commented on your first post and said he was definitely lying to you but your updates are unbelievable. I think you are being very naive to think he hasn’t been with all these prostitutes. I’m sorry you are going through this but the ‘heart attack’ and threats to do something to himself, are all desperate attempts to make you stay. If he had genuine heart problems, he would have lost his pilots license.

Stick to your plan and get out now!

HereBdragons · 10/03/2022 07:13

Even if he did have a heart attack, you don’t have to stay in a marriage where you feel betrayed and disrespected just because he would prefer that. Marriage is a decision you make together, divorce is usually a unilateral decision. One person no longer wants to be married. That’s enough of a reason legally and morally. It’s good that your parents know what’s going on and are supporting you.

redambergreengo · 10/03/2022 07:29

He's a cunning manipulative liar.

Go no contact with him. Get out whilst he's away and ensure you've everything you need. Then change your phone number. You have to be strong. You deserve better.

HW1989 · 10/03/2022 07:34

Leave leave leave leave leave. Please. And get a full STD check.

Gazorpazorp · 10/03/2022 08:20

He gets palpitations when confronted about something? Don’t we all, it’s called “guilt”. This man is trying to make himself into a victim so you stay out of pity. He is not taking responsibility for anything - he’s putting on a “poor me” act to avoid facing the consequences of his lies. If he was serious about sorting his life out he’d start thinking about you rather than himself. He’s not, so he isn’t. Get out of there and find someone trustworthy.

As a side note, a proportion of prostitutes are trafficked, which means they aren’t consenting to sex. If he’s had sex with a trafficked woman, he is a rapist.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 08:49

The fake illness is just more evidence he's mental/has a personality disorder.

Noonr reasonable or decent would do anything he's done.

Oh and it sounds like he does a whole lotta shagging without it bothering his heart in the slightest, funny that.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 08:55

@HoppingPavlova

He was acting sweet because he’s afraid of being alone and afraid of being the one to blame for your marriage ending.

I don’t believe he is afraid of being alone as such. He’s afraid of having to do his laundry, was his dishes, pick up the Hoover and doing his own life admin. That’s his fear. The women he is shagging have the sense not to do any of this, hence he has the best of both worlds - his maid and life organiser (OP) and a smorgasbord of shags. Got nothing to do with being alone.

I think the guilt thing is correct though. Men don’t like that. Hence they try and push ‘blame’ onto women to absolve themselves of guilt.

They also want their main, public, respectable, socially confirming partner.

Are you going to takeva prostitute to your family wedding/birthday party/anniversary party?

Are you going to talk about prostitutes in work even people talk about what they did at the weekend?

Are you going to go on a break or holiday with a prostitute.

Are you going yongsve a family with a prostitute.

They need someone in the role of partner/wife/plus one/companion/mummy etc.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 08:56

*socially conforming

Thirkettle · 10/03/2022 08:57

You can't just keep posting over and over again that some scumbag cheats on you. Leave him or don't leave him, but no one's gonna agree that he's the 'best' anything.

He's revolting.

Tamworth123 · 10/03/2022 09:17

He also said that the a big part of the reason he hasnt been satisfied sexually is because I stopped making an effort to dress up for him, and if I wore sexy underwear and did my hair and makeup he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off me.

Sorry but millions of men live with women who aren't perpetually dolled up, wearing sexy lingerie and makeup and have sex with them, and don't use prostitutes.

Cheating, at all, is a line a decent person won't cross.

Using prostitutes is a line a decent person won't criss, let alone while married/in a relationship.

He's crossed both.

Now he's blaming you for it.
And trying to make you change yourself.

And in top of that wheeling out manipulative faced health issues.

He's been caught out as the degenerate, no integrity, fake creature that he is, he's urterly shouting himself about losing his normal looking set up and about people knowing what he's like. That's all.

He'll He'll up a new one sooner or later, poor woman

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