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caring for FIL - what is reasonable?

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bareniceties · 22/02/2022 23:28

Just had a horrible phone call with my OH and would appreciate some independent views to help me reflect.

FIL lives by himself around 500 miles away from us. He is 90 and his health is now poor. Last year we set up carers to go in 2x a day and this is going pretty well. Last week, however, FIL was rushed into hospital with pneumonia again. He was due to come out today but latest bloods not as great as hoped so this is delayed by a day or two (all going well).

Every time FIL gets ill (currently around 3 times a year) DH drops everything and dashes up there. He WFH and can work from there so that's a help. We have 2 kids age 13 and 14. I work but they can walk to school so we do manage well when he's not here but obviously some social events need to be cancelled (we have no help here, no-one I can ask to be with the kids).

DH and I have a recurrent disagreement about how much is reasonable to support FIL. Today DH said he wanted to stay and help FIL 'transition' home from hospital. He was very vague about what this meant and cross that I was asking but it seems that he's saying he wants to be there when he gets home from hospital, he wants to see whether he needs help with meals, getting drinks, getting to and from the toilet, getting dressed and if he can't do these things on his own, then start setting up more care.

My position is that of course do drop and run if you think FIL is seriously ill and might die but once we know that's not the case (thankfully) we need to be sure that the care needed at home is in place before he is discharged and sometimes FIL will need to go to a home which his son is not currently staying at - i.e. he will go home to an empty house, albeit with regular carer visits. I think DH can now come home and we can do the rest of the arranging via phone.

OH said that he owes it to his dad to help him out (they are not close but he was with his mother and really feels he is doing it for her) and that we should always do that if the compromise is not too great - though he wouldn't say who gets to decide about that.

It was DS's BD yesterday and OH missed that as he was at his dad's. DS's BD party this weekend has had to be postponed (I can't run it for him as it's physical and I have some health issues).

I am not too worried about a one-off but I am worried that DHs need for his dad to always have him there when he comes out of hospital and to be there throughout his hospital stays is untenable given the distance and the frailty of his dad's health. I guess it does not feel fair on us to prioritise his dad's needs above all else.

For context, FIL has no family other than OH. He has some good friends but they are too elderly to help. We offered to find FIL a flat near us or a residential home. He did not want to move - fair enough he's lived in his home town for 70 years now, but it's not that he's not welcome here. We've also offered to find a home for him in his own home town but he's not keen on that and again fair enough, he's a man who likes his own space and needs a lot of quiet.

Am I just being unsupportive do you think?

OP posts:
bareniceties · 25/02/2022 23:58

I think it is time for me to sign off from this thread. There have been some really helpful and supportive comments and there have been some comments which are balanced even though they don't agree with me. But there have also been some very attacking and nasty comments and with all that is happening now in our lives I think it will be best for my wellbeing to not log onto a thread which seems to be somewhat populated by people who want to attack and demean others based on a simplistic 'understanding' of the situation. When I feel ready I will be heading over to the elders thread to get some more good advice. Many thanks for those who took the time to read and genuinely respond.

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Kite22 · 26/02/2022 00:04

Sorry that your OH has ended up in hospital himself too. As they say, it never rains but pours.

However, up until then, I think your OH is absolutely doing what he must do. When each of my parents were dying, my dh just took all the responsibility and left me to do what I needed to do for my parents. I love him and respect him so much for that. Our (3) dc were all little at the time, so needed a LOT more looking after than 13 and 14 yr olds.
Yes, if there is no way to get his bike to wherever he needs to go, then your ds misses that activity for a few weeks, then so be it.
It is incredibly important to your OH that he is there with his Dad for this time. Clearly it isn't going to go on for very long.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 26/02/2022 00:07

But the FIL is not dying. He is frail and elderly. That does not mean he is dying - except in the sense that we all are.

OwlNoises101 · 26/02/2022 00:07

YABVVU
Jesus- Nurse really poorly 90yr old father or your social life?!! I'm actually shocked that someone is that self centred and selfish.

Kite22 · 26/02/2022 00:09

......and neither was my Dad, until he did die. It wasn't predicted or expected.
But a 90 yr old who is in and out of hospital there is clearly a strong possibility.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 26/02/2022 00:14

Yes clear possibility but also different to think about what you can manage when looking after someone dying to what you can manage when looking after someone who is poorly could live for another decade. We can cope with things in the short term that we couldn't in the long term. The OP is not asking about what is reasonable when looking after a dying parent and I think answering as if she was is missing the point. Would you DP have been able to sustain what he did until the kids were not kids any more?

Topseyt · 26/02/2022 03:07

@bareniceties

What you need to ask your OH is what would happen if there was a crisis at home or your OH was indeed ill himself? Who would see to his DF then?

I can answer that. I am at FIL right now. OH was rushed to hospital himself yesterday. I drove up through the night to look after FIL and be here for OH (and drive him home when recovered). I am in pain from all the driving and the kids are staying with friends. I think when he is recovered OH might be more able to stop and reflect on how much stress this situation is causing and how untenable it has become. FIL was really worried about his son so might also be in a place to review some of his decisions.

Very sorry to hear that your husband is now also ill and wishing him a speedy recovery.

I agree that when he gets out of hospital this might be the time to start reassessing the situation with them both.

countrygirl99 · 26/02/2022 05:25

@OwlNoises101

YABVVU Jesus- Nurse really poorly 90yr old father or your social life?!! I'm actually shocked that someone is that self centred and selfish.
Well aren't you just yhe type yhe OP was talking sbout in her last post with your simplistic "understanding" of the situation. You clearly haven't been in this position for years likesome of us. Yhis isn't a few weeks. It's a repeated situation yhat could go on for a few more years.
Walkingalot · 26/02/2022 09:44

That was a bit spooky @bareniceties - it just shows how unpredictable life is. It so easily could have been you or the kids who fell ill.
My understanding of hospital release of the elderly is that they do an assessment to determine if the patient is capable of looking after themselves at home and if not put in appropriate care arrangements. Your DH being there stops all that. See link:

www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/health-wellbeing/health-services/leaving-hospital/

I hope they both recover soon and I wish you all the best going forward.

MostlyOk · 27/02/2022 01:29

I oversee the care for my dad who lives about 50 miles from me. If he was just out of hospital, I would 100% want to be there until he felt physically and emotionally strong enough to be on his own again. When you start to age and have more frequent bouts of ill health, lots of people feel horrendously vulnerable and they need the love and support of their family.

This is a season in your OH's life and no doubt he wants to honour his mum's memory and make sure that when his dad does go, he'll know he did everything he could. If you really love your OH (which I presume you do), you should be willing to make temporary sacrifices in order to let OH do what he needs to do right now.

This is what I'd want my OH to do for me, as I battle through the stresses of caring for an elderly parent.

billy1966 · 27/02/2022 08:49

OP,
Wishing your family well.
What an awful call to receive about your husband and drive to face.

I can well understand your concerns here.

Unfortunately some elderly family who need substantial support will have to move closer to family that can help or move into a facility that can also support them.

These are decisions lots of families make.

Expecting someone 5 hours away to be your carer is not realistic or fair.

Circumstances change and people have to make hard choices.
For you to be asking these questions does not make you nasty or selfish.

Your husband has a family and financial responsibilities that will require decisions to be made.

Being able to up and leave for a month at a time is not reasonable.

A better solution for everyone needs to found.

Wishing you well.Flowers

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