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Husband's work taking over family life.

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Nextquestionplease · 01/01/2022 20:52

Husband is a high earner, who takes on additional work to the extent that our younger child wants to cut the computer in half, to stop him working and spend time with us going out or in the house.
He helps get them ready for school and bed, but it's like he's part-time help for an hour in the morning and two hours at night.
There's no companionship.
He takes work on holiday (one holiday a year), works the day before we go and goes back the following morning.
He sleeps separately so he can wake up early to work before going to work, or stays up late working.
He's angry if I challenge him and walked out when I got angry about the amount of work he's doing. I'm terrified he'll disappear if/when I I challenge him again.
He wants to be in charge.
I want to have a life.

OP posts:
TwinkleTwinkleLittleStarFightr · 02/01/2022 01:30

@Nextquestionplease

Lots to think about. Its not just me, it's our children. It's not help with the practical things cos oldest is independent, it's quality time.

I have my own interests & hobbies, I'm not bored but I would like to go out with my husband when I take the children out. Otherwise its hard work and lonely.
He pulls faces and complains its cost him £x cos he's not working.
Its Sunday FFS, you've already worked 5 days other job!

So he is actually working 2 jobs? His regular weekday job and the “project work” (consultancy?).
Nextquestionplease · 02/01/2022 01:32

Twinkle, yes, 2 jobs I suppose.
And I can't sleep cos I feel crap.

OP posts:
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 02/01/2022 03:18

I can't work as who would look after the children during school hols?

Um, there are loads of kids clubs.

I'm using his income to pay for a cleaner so I have energy and patience for my children

What do you actually do? Do you have a job yourself?

Sorry you have a high-risk pregnancy, but if you're not happy with him as a Dad, why are you having another child with him?

PurpleMauve · 02/01/2022 06:15

It sounds like you are in a loveless marriage and he has checked out.
I’m sorry 💐
You need to try couple counselling or leave the marriage.

Hiding money from you is obviously a major issue and it sounds like general financial abuse is going on to some extent.

He’s sounds like a workaholic, although all of the financial pressure is on him. Though this is no excuse to ignore the DC or you.

You also need to take some responsibility for your situation.

I’m not minimising your valid concerns re. your SEN child as we don’t know any details, but I know of a few parents with SEN children who volunteer or work at their children’s primary schools. This could be your way back into paid employment. No childcare required and you would be volunteering/working term-time only.

We have 3 DC. 2 DC at Primary School. Youngest DC is a SEN child and I work PT school hours within Local Government. I’ve worked both FT and PT over the years in different services & roles in order to be able to negotiate my current flexibility. I am not a high earner. DP is. We reluctantly paid for expensive childcare for several years even though it swallowed most of my salary, to enable me to keep my foot in the door with paid employment/work experience. We all have choices to make. I sometimes work over my current contracted hours in order to keep up with an impossible workload. It’s not ideal and is why I’m looking at moving on. We both cannot work long hours and also be fully present for our DC.

DP worked abroad during weekdays on & off for several years. This had to change when we had DC2. I was working FT after returning to work from Mat Leave, had no additional support from family as they’re not close by or work. I was struggling and felt like a single parent during the week. Therefore, DP stopped working abroad and became self-employed.

DP now owns multiple businesses, so life is still busy but he makes time to attend most DC’s medical appointments and quality family time during weekends. He’s on call 24/7, including when we’re on holiday. He’ll deal with most business emails & calls early and hit the hotel gym before breakfast. He will then help with DC before we all eat breakfast together. He’ll then be present for the rest of the daily holiday activities (bar occasionally checking his phone for anything urgent).

It’s simply not possible to have it all. Sacrifices have to be made somewhere. DP does some AM school runs and collects one DC from an after-school activity club once a week. He sometimes pops home between travelling between businesses to shower our youngest DC. I sort dinner, assist with the DC’s reading & homework and do weekday eve bedtime routines alone.
We’ve been juggling the school holidays with the youngest two DC as one DC doesn’t like going to holiday clubs and I’ve been WFH since the first lockdown. DP takes time out of his working day at least a couple of times per week during the school holidays to take the DC swimming, etc. DP’s suggestion, not mine. I used to accuse DP of being a workaholic, but he had to re-prioritise once DC2 was born and I had returned to FT work from Mat Leave.

We outsource gardening, window cleaning and we (I) could do with a cleaner (will do one day-long story/off topic). DP works long hours outside of the home, so is expected to share all of the household tasks 50/50. He does some during weekends.

I think it’s really important for you to make steps to source volunteer work, get a PT job &/or retrain ASAP. Never give up your financial independence.

PurpleMauve · 02/01/2022 06:26

*so is not expected to share all of the household tasks 50/50.

Also, school holidays clubs and wrap around care has been limited or non-existent since Covid, so most of us have had to just get on with it whilst also holding down jobs.

No furlough for government workers or business owners. We didn’t qualify for any Keyworker school places during lockdown even though I work for a service that supports vulnerable people (another long story).

Fupoffyagrasshole · 02/01/2022 06:37

Yeah you need a job

My wages basically are the same cost as childcare!! But it’s worth it to keep my job and have some independence

My husband pays half the childcare bill - you know it’s a shared cost right…

Sounds like you only need childcare for school holidays which is totally possible
To arrange

If you split up with him do you still expect to be a stay at home mum!?

How ? Would he be expected to fund that still

MarshaBradyo · 02/01/2022 06:46

You can of course work and get cover for holidays many do.

Seems a bit stuck to say it’s not possible.

It doesn’t sound great though as a set up, do you get on when you do spend time together? Or is it like separate lives already.

GoodnightGrandma · 02/01/2022 07:09

If he’s not going to do his share of childcare, if you’re split up, you can look at maintenance.
You really need to speak to a family solicitor. Take details of all bank accounts and pensions.
I think you’ll be better off than you think.

Jinglebellsoncake · 02/01/2022 08:06

I feel for you OP

From the sounds of it, he probably wouldn't be too upset if you split up.

This way, he would get his time to concentrate on work...

You would have your own space to do whatever you want without having to look after another child (I.e your DH).

As a high earner, hopefully it would mean you can afford a decent separate home and lifestyle.

Hopefully he will realise that the time he spends with his kids isn't quality time.

What is the point in staying together if you never spend any time together.

GiltEdges · 02/01/2022 08:27

If I work, that's exactly what will happen. Kitchen things break, I fix them or arrange repairs - shed needs sorting out, I do it - house needs painting outside looking grotty, I arrange it and he protests cos it doesn't need doing even though its peeling - he wants a holiday (!), asks me to research it but I've said I'm not doing it again as I'm not going away if he takes project work with. I'm not waking up every morning to the sound of a dictaphone or typing.
I do want to work but not until all are in secondary school and I'll have no more school run. I have no energy left as my parents need help too.
Still need holiday cover tho...

Ok, so your DH is a workaholic, that's one issue and he's unlikely to change, so you have a choice to either accept your current way of life or split up. It's that simple.

That said, the examples you give above make me a little bit angry. Who do you think handles all of the "life admin" type tasks in families where both parents work full time? And despite not having a job you also have a cleaner, because it takes too much of your energy to do it yourself. I'm sorry but you sound incredibly entitled and should maybe count your blessings that your current life is a hell of a lot easier than it would be if you separated from your DH and became a single parent, without the benefit of his higher earner salary.

Mumof3confused · 02/01/2022 09:02

@Nextquestionplease

Santa, exactly! The emotional support - or lack of it.😔 I think I've got used to not having it. If I need food or drink when I'm I'll, I have to ask him for it or I'll starve. He's walked out once and said he came back for the children. Wouldn't attend counselling. Blamed me for upsetting him and not being able to do his work. Has always hid his income from me.
Why did he walk out at that time? This sounds like emotional abuse to me, not just lack of support.

Is he on a salary or does he get paid more for working more?

Hiring income is also a form of abuse.

Can you get a counsellor just for you?

I agree with others that there are term time jobs, working in a school for example. It would be a good idea for you to get a job even if it’s just to feel you have some independence and balance the power in your relationship.

It does sound really miserable though. What’s in it for you?

userisi2 · 02/01/2022 09:46

OP you're a bit stuck I think. You've married a dud, he's not going to change, but you're too lazy and/or easily overwhelmed to be a single mum so you're just going to have to suck it up I think and appreciate what you have....

Dancingsmile · 02/01/2022 09:52

You've mentioned several times that he hides his income.
I think you should look into financial abuse.
Hiding finances and controlling them is not a healthy relationship, it's far from it.
He does not see you as a family but you are all separate living in the same house.
Your relationship sounds very unhealthy.

middleager · 02/01/2022 09:59

I emphathise. My husband is addicted to work, only he earns just over 30k and is not a high earner to even 'justify' the behaviour, so no rewards!

Work transforms his personality. When we both wfh his work seems to take precedence, even though we earn similar.

I also work, and the lion's share of home, kids, family, falls to me.
A bone of contention for 15 years. I have no answers, just bitterness!

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 02/01/2022 10:09

I've been in this situation and eventually it takes its toll. But also both sides need to be sympathetic to the other. He couldn't do the job without the support of OP looking after the children etc and OP couldn't have a high earning DH without some sacrifices. But it did lead me to the point of saying I wanted to divorce. DH realised he needed to compartmentalise the job and family life better and actually appreciate the family he'd help to create. We worked through it and are still together and have a much better understanding of eachother. If I were you OP I'd be actually saying where your red line is. I'd possibly suggest it's one full day at the weekend and holidays as a starting point where he doesn't work and does properly join in family life.

Bushkin · 02/01/2022 10:12

@Nextquestionplease how is he losing money by not working if he’s not self employed?
How much is he earning that he can’t afford to contribute to childcare so you can have a career?
Are you claiming child benefit to get your pension credits?
Is he paying into a pension for you?
Are your finances perhaps more precariously balanced than you’re aware of and he’s worried?

Sorry lots of questions but would definitely help with a fuller picture

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 02/01/2022 10:12

Hiding income is a no no and is abuse though - don't be abused. I believe many men don't even realise what they do is abuse.
If he's not willing to change at all I'd be planning my exit. You'll be entitled to being looked after by him financially.

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 02/01/2022 10:13

Agree with @Bushkin

LannieDuck · 02/01/2022 10:14

It's worrying that you facilitate and support this high-flying job (/ego) of his, to the extent that it completely subsumes the family life you want... and yet he hides his finances from you.

When you're supporting someone to this extent, he needs to be open and transparent in return... and share his income with you properly.

Whatsdamatta · 02/01/2022 10:18

I think it’s a feeling you get. Like you and family life is way down on his list. Like what do you need to do to be as important as his work.
It’s not hours in the day, or what time he gets in from work. It’s priorities. It’s what he can’t live without.
A serious, sit down talk about what comes first and what doesn’t is required. And him to see you’d act on it and leave if necessary. He hasn’t even the excuse that it’s his business. He’s just addicted to some element of what it’s giving him.
The thing is, kids aren’t stupid and as they grow up they’ll see it too. That they weren’t important enough to make time for. Your DH needs to be made aware of it.

GiltEdges · 02/01/2022 10:23

@onlyreadingneverposting8

Hiding income is a no no and is abuse though - don't be abused. I believe many men don't even realise what they do is abuse. If he's not willing to change at all I'd be planning my exit. You'll be entitled to being looked after by him financially.
You'll be entitled to being looked after by him financially

That really isn't the case, though the OPs children will be entitled to their father's financial support, presuming they reside primarily with the OP.

Holdingontonothing · 02/01/2022 10:25

[quote Bushkin]@Nextquestionplease how is he losing money by not working if he’s not self employed?
How much is he earning that he can’t afford to contribute to childcare so you can have a career?
Are you claiming child benefit to get your pension credits?
Is he paying into a pension for you?
Are your finances perhaps more precariously balanced than you’re aware of and he’s worried?

Sorry lots of questions but would definitely help with a fuller picture[/quote]
Maybe he works in sales of some sort? In which case if he's not working, he's not earning commission?

I'm a bit torn TBH. Life is about compromise and it's easy to call someone a "workaholic" but if they're the one bringing in the sole income, is that really fair? And not many high earning jobs are "work precisely 9-5 then switch off" are they?

Nextquestionplease · 02/01/2022 10:30

Lots of good points to help me think.

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ACCx · 02/01/2022 10:32

Sounds miserable OP. :( It’s not just the children that need that time with him, it’s you also! You need that family time together and alone time as a couple. I don’t know what to suggest unfortunately. Maybe try giving him an ultimatum?

Comtesse · 02/01/2022 10:38

He’s not ignoring the kids if he’s with them 3 hours a day doing practical things. He might be ignoring you though, fair enough, but that’s not him checking out of family life. The fact that you can’t discuss it and he gets bad tempered about it dies not sound good at all.

But do think you could be more flexible on some stuff. E.g. I don’t get why you feel you can’t go for an afternoon out - it doesn’t have to be a whole day to be worthwhile.

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