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I’m 99% sure my friend’s boyfriend isn’t what he seems

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Maybeknights · 14/12/2021 20:34

Ok this is a bit of a saga but I’m constantly worrying about her and don’t know what to do. Here goes…

My friend met someone online a few years ago and they ‘dated’ for about 6 months. By dated I mean he popped over to her flat whenever he could. They never actually went out together and nobody met him. He is apparently in the army and everything he does is very secretive, he can’t take any time off so those stolen moments were all they could have. After a while my friend found this too difficult so threatened to break it off and he told her he would leave the army. He wrote his resignation letter and showed her before submitting it. Next thing she bumped into him in public at a busy tube station and went to kiss him and he pushed her away and acted like he didn’t know her… when she text to ask wtf he said his feeling had changed and that was that!!! She was REALLY sad. He never contacted her again.

Fast forward 3-4 years and she says that she’s dating him again. After 4 weeks they have said they love one another and are talking about buying a house together. My friend owns her own flat but is currently job searching after bing made redundant earlier this year. I asked her how he explained what happened last time and she was in total denial - said it never happened. He was in a bad place, ptsd, etc and wasn’t in the right space for a relationship so it ended. Now he’s all good and they’ve picked up like they were never apart…

I asked what had changed in terms of his availability and she said nothing has, but now since being alone in covid lockdown she’s willing to put up with it rather than not be with him. He’s still coming over at night a few times a week and they still haven’t been anywhere together and nobody had met him still! He has said he’ll go to her parents for Christmas Day but I 100% guarantee some kind of emergency will mean that he can’t!

On to the red flags:

  • The regiment he says he’s part of isn’t based where he says he’s based.
  • the stories he tells about what he’s been doing are totally out of line with his supposed army job. The things he’s supposedly doing are like scenes from James Bond movies and would be the responsibility of anti terror police, MI5, interpol etc. so far fetched
  • I asked if she’d be going to any Christmas balls or dinners on his arm and she said there wouldn’t be any. My friends with army husbands are going to lots of different functions
  • she said his family live up north and he’s not close to them but he has a sister who lives nearby with her two kids who he sees a lot (I’m sure this is cover for his wife and kids incase my friend sees him out with them!)
  • he can’t book any time off work
  • he smothers her with compliments and platitudes and I think he’s just making her drop her guard completely so she’ll do anything he says
  • he won’t have his photo taken. She doesn’t have a single photo of him apart from the one from his original dating profile

I’m really worried if I ask too many questions or act too suspicious she’ll start keeping secrets from me but I feel like I need to keep a close eye on this! What would you do? I also think she’s so deeply in love that if I ever speak against him it would deeply threaten our friendship. When she told me about being back with him she was almost manic. It didn’t sound like her speaking at all. It had only be 4 weeks and she started talking about weddings and things.

During lockdown she was suffering from really bad anxiety and depression and was incredibly lonely. I really fear he could break her heart and push her over the edge. She’s even said now that she doesn’t want to look for a new job or will look for something exclusively from home so she can be around when he’s available…

Am I just be super suspicious? And what would you do?!

OP posts:
AnFiaRuaNua · 15/12/2021 20:14

[quote rubyglitter]**@Maybeknights* I haven’t met him. Nobody has.*

Your friend has made him up. He’s a fantasy. She probably loves the drama and attention and how all her friends keep checking up on her. Don’t waste anymore energy on her.[/quote]
I doubt she'd make up the detail that he can only see her sporadically and that his sister lives nearby with two kids

Maybeknights · 15/12/2021 21:36

I don’t think he’s made up. She really isn’t the sort of person who would do that. She’s incredibly upfront and open and has been about her state of mind, loneliness, how she’s feels about men etc. When they were dating first time round we went travelling together for a few weeks and she lost her phone and used my phone to keep in touch with him so he definitely existed then.

This time round if she was going to make someone up I’d be very surprised for her to resurface someone that already had so many black marks against him… plus she’s getting a lot of UTIs lately if that make sense… I doubt that’s a lie too!

OP posts:
Maybeknights · 15/12/2021 21:37

@GoodTid yes my other close friend who I have confided in about my doubts did this today and nothing came up

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Maybeknights · 15/12/2021 21:39

Also worth noting re: the social media searching, 192, Google searching, ancestry sites etc his name is just too common. It brings up far too many results to be able to even have a stab. Very frustrating. Also the possibility of a false name and wasted effort!

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/12/2021 21:45

Invite her over for a wine & video night, then watch the 'Dirty John' documentary with her.

Hot boyfriend being married is the least of her worries.

whynotwhatknot · 15/12/2021 21:47

Sounds like a con man-definitely using a false name your friend sounds so lonely its a shame she'll settle for anyone

Maybeknights · 15/12/2021 21:53

In response to a few comments about sacrificing the friendship or ditching her - that isn’t going to happen. I’ll be there for her whatever the outcome. I really want more than anything to be proved wrong and for this to be her happy ever after! She really deserves it and I would love nothing more than for her to truly find love but preferably with someone who can spend proper time with her (and her friends). She gets on soooo well with my husband and loves my kids to bits so I’d love him to be part of that too! I just really can’t envisage that right now

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Pinotpleasure · 15/12/2021 21:55

@Maybeknights - so your friend “is getting a lot of UTI’s lately”

She needs to get to a sexual health clinic pronto! 😱

lborgia · 15/12/2021 22:00

For all those who (scathingly) say she’s made him up, it would be the most ridiculous story.

if you’re trying to invent a magical new partner for yourself, you wouldn’t mention a sister with 2 kids that live nearby! That is SUCH a conman cover up, NOT the work of a over active imagination.

He’s the fantasist, not her.

I wonder if you would be so scornful of someone who stayed in a DV situation? I’ve had people baffled that I did, and to this day I still can’t explain why I did except that it got to a point where I was convinced I had no other life available. If you’ve never been taken in by a pathological person, you’ve no idea how they operate. It’s brain washing.

OP, I admire your concern, and hope you get somewhere this weekend. Tread lightly, I’d be really concerned that your outright scorn could isolate her further, and push her closer to the conman. That property alert site sounds great, I think at the least that would be a good start.

CandidaAlbicans2 · 15/12/2021 22:41

@Pinotpleasure, frequent UTIs could just be from having long sex sessions, not necessarily unprotected sex leading to an STI. I used to be prone to cystitis in my...ehem...more lustful, energetic youth 😉

ThirdElephant · 15/12/2021 23:00

[quote CandidaAlbicans2]@Pinotpleasure, frequent UTIs could just be from having long sex sessions, not necessarily unprotected sex leading to an STI. I used to be prone to cystitis in my...ehem...more lustful, energetic youth 😉[/quote]
Indeed. OP, tell her she needs to go have a pee after sex to help prevent the UTIs.

Pinotpleasure · 15/12/2021 23:50

[quote CandidaAlbicans2]@Pinotpleasure, frequent UTIs could just be from having long sex sessions, not necessarily unprotected sex leading to an STI. I used to be prone to cystitis in my...ehem...more lustful, energetic youth 😉[/quote]
Yes of course, I think most women will have experienced that scenario (myself included) and at one time it was called “honeymoon cystitis” 😬

However the boyfriend seems to be very cagey and who knows what his background is?

The O/Ps friend should suggest to this guy that they should both get checked out for STI’s and indeed should go to a sexual health clinic together…..although he may run a mile!

CactusLemonSpice · 16/12/2021 00:11

Unless... he is imaginary? Either he is some kind of malignant sociopath type character, or she has made him up.

Zanina · 16/12/2021 01:20

I imagine if she loves him that much she would want him to meet her friends and family. When he won't (and I think friends and family need to keep asking to meet him) she will get frustrated with him and it might just fall apart.

You might want to find someone who can do the stake out for you lol

SimpsonsXmasBoogie · 16/12/2021 04:05

I doubt she's made him up. If she was going to make him up, surely she'd make up someone who treated her better and seemed much less suspicious..?

Maskless · 16/12/2021 06:33

If you can afford it, how about hiring a PI to find out who he is? They do this all the time.

Maybeknights · 16/12/2021 08:52

@Maskless I’m going to wait a while. See how she is when I see her this weekend. It could just fizzle out when she gets tired of sitting around waiting for him. If I get any inkling she’s in trouble I’ll do it right away. My worry at this stage is even if I produced evidence from a PI she’s so caught up on the reverie of being with him again she will reject it and hate me for doing it and freeze me out. Then there will be nobody keeping a close eye on the situation. She’s only told a couple of people they’re back together - one friend is someone who didn’t know her when they were together before, the other is me! I’m pretty sure the reason she hasn’t told her other very close friend is because she would be equally sceptical and suspicious!

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GrannytoaUnicorn · 16/12/2021 08:56

[quote Maybeknights]@Maskless I’m going to wait a while. See how she is when I see her this weekend. It could just fizzle out when she gets tired of sitting around waiting for him. If I get any inkling she’s in trouble I’ll do it right away. My worry at this stage is even if I produced evidence from a PI she’s so caught up on the reverie of being with him again she will reject it and hate me for doing it and freeze me out. Then there will be nobody keeping a close eye on the situation. She’s only told a couple of people they’re back together - one friend is someone who didn’t know her when they were together before, the other is me! I’m pretty sure the reason she hasn’t told her other very close friend is because she would be equally sceptical and suspicious![/quote]
Such a shame there's nobody to follow him. That would solve this puzzle within hours

InPraiseOfBacchus · 16/12/2021 10:05

"For all those who (scathingly) say she’s made him up, it would be the most ridiculous story.

if you’re trying to invent a magical new partner for yourself, you wouldn’t mention a sister with 2 kids that live nearby! That is SUCH a conman cover up, NOT the work of a over active imagination."

I'm not being scathing I hope! Smart people get taken in by this sort of thing too.

In my experience, I've known a couple of people to make up chronic lies about fake partners for drama, validation or attention, the one I mentioned upthread, and a few more people on the edge of my social groups. All military boyfriends with dangerous jobs, all with reasons why they were never around to meet friends.

Some absolutely bizarre, unlikely and unpredictable things can find their way into their narrative once they get going - even details that work against the lie. Either to fill in the gap, or just to add detail if they find themselves improvising on the spot.

Of course I don't know that this is what's happening here, but it's certainly not scathing to mention it as a possibility. I'm sure that fantasist men like this exist in real life too!

Only OP knows how trustworthy the friend is.

Elle2018 · 16/12/2021 17:23

Seen this so many times before, he is 100% not single

LittleMissMe99 · 16/12/2021 17:31

Have you done a reverse image search on the dating profile photo? I assume he doesn't have Facebook? What I would do is convince your friend that you would love to meet him, but it would be suprise for him. Be there when he turns up. Try to get a photo and/or as much info as you can.

Or find out when he is there next and just turn up. Act exited to finally meet him, and as above "Ooh let me get a pic of you both!"

Could you contact the dating site he was on and let them know that perhaps he isn't who he says? I'm sure they would have some information on him like bank details and real name?

caringcarer · 16/12/2021 17:35

He'll she should not buy somewhere with him. No doubt they would use money from sale of her flat. She needs a shake to wake her up. Would she use a private detective?

redbigbananafeet · 16/12/2021 17:36

I'd be following him home one night.

Insertcreativenamehere · 16/12/2021 17:38

He’s married?

StinkEye · 16/12/2021 17:39

I don't know if this could help but there's a PI agency that deals with this exact thing, checking out online partners - [email protected]