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Leaving husband or stay for the children?

168 replies

Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 18:00

I’ve NC for this.

The short story is, I have 3 kids (6, 8 and 10). Married 10 years, together 15, friends before that. Very lovely husband who pulls his weight around the house and very hands on dad.

The thing is, we are great friends but I can’t stand the thought of having sex with my husband anymore. It hasn’t been great ever since our first one was born and it has been getting progressively work. Different levels of sex drives, different wants, him asking me to do various things I don’t want (nothing awful but for example wants me to wear stockings etc occasionally even though I hate it). He has also been keeping tabs (actually keeping a record) of how often we have sex but only intercourse ‘counts’. Also keeping tabs on my cycle so he knows when he needs to have sex with me before having to wait a few days. He knows this drives me up the wall but did not actually stop keeping this record until I booked us a relationship counsellor. He also would comment about wanting sex every time he’d see me naked in the shower or walking past half dressed, only ever complimentary but actually this would make me feel a bit harassed. If he didn’t get sex for 3-4 days he’d get a bit tense/moody/struggle to sleep and even though he’d say nothing, I’d always know it’s because it’s been too long since the last time we did it. Also he does not seem to want to DIY it, it felt like a chore in the end or my responsibility. This has led to me losing all desire for him and in fact I don’t think I’ll be able to find it again, despite trying to work through things in counselling.

The other issue I have is that he leaves almost all ‘mental load’ responsibilities to me. He cannot organise, plan, fix, repair anything. When we need a new car I sort that, when something breaks at home it’s up to me to fix or get someone in to sort. Whether it’s something at home that needs fixing, finances, etc he categorically cannot do it. He’s just useless at it, so even if he takes on a task, I have to check he’s got it right. And no, it’s not just my standards being high. He actually seems incapable on so many levels, even though he has a good job with responsibilities so he clearly can do some things.

He does deal with things at home such as bins, some cleaning, a lot of the cooking and buying food, as well as the kids sporting clubs (organises, books, sometimes takes them). But in many ways he does feel like having an extra child because I can’t trust him to help me manage the mental load. I think he’s perhaps one of those people that is quite creative me very intelligent but lacks all common sense.

He also does not seem to notice me much, as in the real me. I’m independent and rarely need much emotional support but if/when I do, it’s like he doesn’t notice me or that I am struggling. He has also failed to stand up for me in situations involving certain family members of his in the past.

I realise I’m rambling but I’m writing in a rush. Basically I feel he needs to grow a bit of a back bone. Yes it’s my fault for marrying someone who I know is quite placid and laid back, certainly more of a metrosexual than manly man. But he was kind and I had not had many kind partners before him. And I knew he’d make a great dad, he’d be always faithful, and he adored me - he still does (or he adores the perfect image of me that he has created in his mind).

We have three children and people are often told on Mumsnet to stay for the sake of the children. I don’t know if that is something that is possible for us in the long run. I feel our relationship is not one of equals but I may be able to live with this. I could probably also live without sex but I don’t think he would agree to this. And even if he did, it seems like a slippery slope and the inevitable thing that would happen is one of us would eventually fall into an affair and then everything would blow up.

I am sure that I can’t fancy him again, regardless of how much therapy we have. I am repulsed by him. But he is an attractive man and I do believe that someone else would probably adore him and he does deserve that.

What would you do? Is it ok to leave a man who is kind, a good dad, pulls his weight around the house, but that you feel only friendly feelings for?

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Shoxfordian · 14/12/2021 21:33

He doesn’t sound lovely or kind to me

Sounds like a controlling manchild

Ltb

Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 21:34

Controlling man child 🤣 that did make me laugh, thank you. He isn’t controlling, I’m pretty sure of that. Manchild, I’m really starting to come round to this idea now…!

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 14/12/2021 21:36

Never 'stay' for the kids. They will pick up on the misery and it will stay with them for life.

Shoxfordian · 14/12/2021 21:38

Keeping tabs of “intercourse” and your periods is controlling behaviour, sulking if he doesn’t get enough sex is also coercive controlling behaviour

Please tell me you don’t actually believe he struggles to sleep without sex

Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 22:01

He has a super high sex drive and does toss and turn if he doesn’t get to have that release regularly, I guess it’s some sort of tension. Ridiculous and hideous, I know. The main problem is that he seems to try to transfer that responsibility on to me. The keeping tabs was done secretly, or at least not something he actually told me about until I saw the notes he’d made in the app.

I don’t think the kids would notice any misery, we are friendly and act normal around the house but no longer affectionate/touching. This I’m sure will not last forever, though.

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Justilou1 · 14/12/2021 22:04

You are not a series of holes or functions designed to improve his sleep habits. His comments alone would drive me to despair. Where exactly are YOUR needs in his priorities?

Summerhillsquare · 14/12/2021 22:04

Is there any going back from "replused"?

Soggymarshmellows · 14/12/2021 22:06

Sounds like my life... I am getting divorced. Kids are now happier we are getting it sorted. They're not stupid and they pick up on these things.
Your DH is controlling you. Its subtle but there.

Silverchamber · 14/12/2021 22:07

Hes not lovely. This is creepy at best and controlling at worst. I would personally leave this situation, you don't sound happy at all.

GrandmasCat · 14/12/2021 22:11

It is better to leave as friends than wait until you start throwing things to each other.

It is better for the children to, don’t wait until you are so fed up and angry you are no longer able to co parent effectively, but separately, together

billy1966 · 14/12/2021 22:19

He sounds like a controlling sex pest.

I can well imagine you are repulsed by him.

It reads like it is over.

The monitoring your cycle is suffocating and massively invasive.

Time to start getting organised.

There is no reason why you both can't co parent succeed.

Flowers
Truthseeker456 · 14/12/2021 22:27

I would try and see if you can get thr spark back.....

Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 22:47

@Justilou1 do you know what, I have only just begun to realise that I have been invisible for a decade.

@Summerhillsquare well, that’s the thing. There isn’t really, is there. There can’t be. But I feel so guilty about it.

@Soggymarshmellows really? I’m glad I’m not alone. I think you are right, he is controlling but perhaps doesn’t even know he’s doing it himself? How did you end it with your husband, I can’t really find a way to broach the subject. I mean, he knows I’m unhappy and we are having counselling but I have not said I want to separate. We are ‘working on it’ but I don’t think it’s going to work. I’d anything, the therapy is making me angry ans I think perhaps I should have been angry years ago!

@Silverchamber you are right it’s creepy. I couldn’t bring myself to tell a friend, I was so embarrassed about it. Our counsellor keeps a straight face but I guess she has to!

I have decided to leave but the children, house, and finances makes it such a mess. I can’t even begin to get my head around it.

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Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 22:54

@Truthseeker456 how? We’ve tried counselling. It made me more angry.

@billy1966 yes I’ve been suffocated by this for so long.

@GrandmasCat that’s a really good point. Get out while we’re still on good terms and able to communicate well. I can see myself turning bitter and angry.

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FrancescaContini · 14/12/2021 22:56

Leave. Your children will probably thank you for it when they’re older.

Watchingyouwazowski · 14/12/2021 22:58

Leave for the sake of the children x

youvegottenminuteslynn · 14/12/2021 23:04

Leave for your children. So they don't grow up witnessing a tense, unhappy, unhealthy and dysfunctional relationship. The longer you stay with him, the more likely they'll replicate the dynamic themselves as adults. Is that something you could live with? If not, you must leave him.

Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 23:05

I honestly don’t think the kids have any clue, there isn’t tension day to day. We are very good friends - for me there are no other feelings other than friendship. Obviously this could change but I genuinely don’t think the children are noticing that we don’t hug/kiss anymore.

As for role modelling a relationship of equals, that is one thing that plays on my mind. What are they learning from this.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 14/12/2021 23:11

@Mumof3confused

I honestly don’t think the kids have any clue, there isn’t tension day to day. We are very good friends - for me there are no other feelings other than friendship. Obviously this could change but I genuinely don’t think the children are noticing that we don’t hug/kiss anymore.

As for role modelling a relationship of equals, that is one thing that plays on my mind. What are they learning from this.

They're learning that women aren't as important as men.

They're learning that couples not being affectionate is normal and healthy. It's not.

You say they don't pick up on tension but you can't teach them the stuff that is absent in your relationship. So they won't expect any more from their own.

And all parents who 'stay for the kids' think the kids never felt the tension or noticed. As one of those kids... we do. Almost always in my experience speaking to peers as adults. Without exception in fact, IME.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 14/12/2021 23:13

The other issue I have is that he leaves almost all ‘mental load’ responsibilities to me. He cannot organise, plan, fix, repair anything. When we need a new car I sort that, when something breaks at home it’s up to me to fix or get someone in to sort. Whether it’s something at home that needs fixing, finances, etc he categorically cannot do it.

They're learning that ultimately, it's a woman's job to take responsibility for running a household even when there is another adult in that household. That a woman is more obligated to have to sort things out and cannot opt out of family / kids admin. It's so damaging.

Mumof3confused · 14/12/2021 23:42

@youvegottenminuteslynn ok this makes complete sense now. I don’t want my girls to end up with the same dynamics, I want them to expect more than this.

My main worry has been the damage to their mental health if we were to separate. And his - I do worry that he will struggle but then again he might finally pull his socks up. I’m beginning to realise that perhaps everyone would genuinely be better off eventually, if we did separate.

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ElectraBlue · 14/12/2021 23:42

He sounds rather awful.

Leave him. No point in your kids being raised in an household where you are unhappy and your partner is setting a poor example...

youvegottenminuteslynn · 14/12/2021 23:54

My main worry has been the damage to their mental health if we were to separate.

Better to have a difficult time short term than leave them with a lifetime of poor relationship expectations.

Also, with their ages this is a pretty ideal time to do it - no big exam years etc to hide behind which many parents also use to delay leaving!

I cannot tell you how sad I am that I never realised couples can be properly in love, super supportive, cheerlead each other, be absolute equals, be affectionate and playful etc - I thought that you pick someone who won't cheat on you or be abusive and that's the best you can hope for so you just stay with them.

Took me all of my 20s to realise how brilliant a relationship can be. How equal they can be. I'm early 30s now and only now in my first really healthy relationship following a string of 3/4 (including abusive ones unfortunately) that were missing the bits i never saw growing up.

It would have been far more beneficial to see my mum being single or meeting someone new after being single for a while, in comparison to the poor relationship modelling I lived with.

daisyjgrey · 15/12/2021 00:00

Never ever stay together 'for the kids'. It's martyrdom by another name and terrible relationship modelling for the children.

Let them grow up seeing their mum happy and loved, not miserable.

Mumof3confused · 15/12/2021 00:01

You are so right. My parents were not good role models in that respect and I also have a history of bad/ abusive relationships so husband was very ‘safe’ and perfect on paper.

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