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Argument at Christmas meal…

260 replies

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 05:45

NC for this one. DH’s parents are away this Christmas who live locally and my parents live 4 hours away. We generally have a tradition each year as everyone gets on very well where we will do a pre Xmas get together myself, DH, in laws, my parents, SIL/BIL (SIL has children we do not yet). Is generally always a nice evening out and has been going on for about 5-6 years now since married.

Anyway tonight we had this meal, went to a local french restaurant, all well - drinks flowing but not to an excessive extent that I was aware of. The bill came at the end, bill agreed to be split 4 ways. My father insisted on paying, only at this point I noticed he was quite drunk at the table. Really nice thought but we all insisted no, this went back and forth to the point where it got incredibly awkward. In the end bill agreed to be split 4 ways between couples but he became a bit grumpy, subject changed all fine. Then my mum who had forgotten her glasses, handed me her card and asked me to put it in the machine for her, I misheard what she said and replied “sorry, what did you say?” Across the table. At which point my father said “for f**cks sake Violet4 just sort it out stop making a fuss.” Myself and my mother looked across at him at the table confused, as it was so out of context and I explained to him the only issue was I hadn’t been able to hear my mother. Again all fine.

Meal ended, bit of a strange atmosphere at the end but nevermind, all said goodbye lovely meal etc. Restaurant is a short walk home so myself DH and parents began the walk.

As soon as my PIL and SIL were out of ear shot, my Dad absolutely lost it started asking “what the hell was your problem at the table I saw the way you two were looking at me” , we were absolutely bemused and explained he was making something out of nothing and just drunk, this caused him to get more and more angry resulted in him screaming in the street, swearing, called us a “pair of pr*cks” , shouting at us saying JUST WALK AWAY, but then kept trying to walk past us first. Clearly absolutely hammered drunk. Almost squaring up to us, nostrils flaring really really frightening. All got very emotional and very very nasty, DH walked ahead with myself and my Mother, he trailed behind stormed off somewhere then I heard him come in about 20 mins after us. They are staying at ours. I got home in tears, as did my mother. Now everyone asleep and I’ve been wide awake all night. Obviously they live 4 hours away so nowhere else for him to stay and really sad as we only see them once a month or so. It was honestly frightening, I’ve never seen him like that.

Now I know people say “this is out of character”, I am 34 years old and drunk or otherwise I have NEVER seen my father behave in that way, ever. Nor has my Mother and her reaction tonight you could tell she was utterly shell shocked afterwards. We have a very close relationship we speak daily on the phone and she tells me every little disagreement they’ve ever had etc. I really believe her that he’s never done this before.
I can’t piece together why this has happened tonight. He recently lost his mother (my grandmother) and he himself has been quite unwell with Covid. Maybe linked to that but I just don’t know why this behaviour manifested out of absolutely nothing.

Anyway if you have got this far, thank you. I don’t really know what I am posting for, I’ve been awake anxious about the morning for most of the night and not sure how to navigate this tommorrow. We have plans with SIL and her kids before they head off tomorrow and I don’t even think I can face being around him after last night, despite the fact he’s in the guest room as we speak…

Thank you x

OP posts:
EdgeOfTheSky · 28/11/2021 08:20

What a horrible shock.

I think I would try and very calmly ask him about it.

“Dad, you were obviously very angry about something last night, it was a bit frightening, to be honest, can you tell us what happened?”

SarahDippity · 28/11/2021 08:21

Not the main point at all, but if he makes an issue about wanting to pay for everyone and getting turned down, make sure he knows that to do so would set an expectation that someone else has to cover the bill next year. Hope things get resolved quickly and it’s a one-off.

Redsquirrel5 · 28/11/2021 08:24

Bless you what a shame the evening turned sour. I agree with what has been said but would like to add make sure he doesn’t drive this morning. Hide the keys.
It is good your mum has asked for a chat. You can be supportive before he wakes up. She probably hasn’t slept much either.
I hope he apologises and the rest of the stay is trouble free.

MysteriousMonkey · 28/11/2021 08:30

Interestingly my mother has just removed all of the red wine from her house as my dad can be quite mean if he drinks it. He's fine with anything else. Maybe between that and, the bereavement and the covid (which I'm sure I once read can make people behave unpleasantly - but it was a while ago and I can't think where) it just all factored into a perfect storm.

Hope it all gets resolved today and your dad is very apologetic!

MushMonster · 28/11/2021 08:31

He is going to wake up being his normal self, maybe with a hangover, and all will be good.
He is likely not to remember a thing.
Maybe check what he drank, if it was a new drink to him he may need to avoid it.

Cam2020 · 28/11/2021 08:31

Oh, that's horrible, OP.

Perhaps it is the stress of losing his mother and perhaps he's still a little fatigued from having Covid. Tiredness and stress, coupled with alcohol can really hit you unexpectedly.

I hope he's suitably sorry today.

dottiedodah · 28/11/2021 08:33

Hopefully DM may be able to shed a little light on the matter .Maybe they have struggled for money lately ,or else he has some medication that you are unaware of and that has reacted badly with the drink . Hopefully he will apologise and that will be that .Losing his DM is probably difficult for him too

Platax · 28/11/2021 08:34

Any indications of long Covid?

Opal8 · 28/11/2021 08:34

No wonder our society is in the state its in...
So many posts minimising his abusive drunken behaviour. Depressing.
I have had bereavements - lots of them sadly - and I didn't get hammered and square up to my child
I'd have a heart to heart with your mum - maybe this isn't the first time?
Go to the NT place. Enjoy your day. Go without your father. I feel quite sorry for your dh in all this tbh.
What a horrible position he has put you all in.
You keep saying you are anxious/overthink things...I wonder why?
Did you grow up trading on eggshells or worried about your father's reaction to things?

Keladrythesaviour · 28/11/2021 08:35

@EdgeOfTheSky

What a horrible shock.

I think I would try and very calmly ask him about it.

“Dad, you were obviously very angry about something last night, it was a bit frightening, to be honest, can you tell us what happened?”

Absolutely this. To those saying wait for an apology and leave him behind etc, that's how tensions build up and upset gets worse. More open, honest communication is the way forward. Not everyone knows how to do it, so starting the conversation off with something like this is very helpful.
Subbaxeo · 28/11/2021 08:37

If this is totally out of character, never happened before, I would get him to see a GP.

alborana · 28/11/2021 08:38

On Mumsnet people are quick to suggest dementia if anyone over 60 behaves badly.

Chances are it's just a combination of grief, being ill recently and having too much to drink. You say yourself it's unusual. He wanted to pay, then all the to-ing and fro-Ing over the bill lit what was obviously a short fuse. I suffered a close family bereavement recently, and although I know I seem fine on the surface my emotions underneath are fragile.

Hopefully he will be apologetic today. It's not the end of the world.

GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 28/11/2021 08:38

I bet he doesn’t apologise. I bet he doubles down or tries to minimise: ‘you’re not still thinking about that are you?’
‘You were acting rudely about my kind gesture to pay the bill’
Etc.
I’d say he has a developing drinking problem :( that’s what I would suspect. I hope you’re ok you have done NOTHING WRONG

mrsbitaly · 28/11/2021 08:40

Aww what a shame all round to be honest. It must have be frightening to see.

From your own words it's out of character so he's obviously going through a tough time which has enhanced by drinking and behaving in the way he did. He will probably need alot of support from you all. Men don't always tend to say how they feel and bottle it up and things can trigger that.

He was wrong to behave like that but please don't be too hard on him

KosherDill · 28/11/2021 08:42

I'm sorry your meal was ruined.

It seems everyone is ganging up on him. He's had a rough year. And having his generous offer to pay spurned in front of everyone had to be hurtful. Why didn't you just let him make the gesture?

Especially if all that faffing and haggling followed.

I'd be apologizing to your dad if I were you.

PipeOfPringles · 28/11/2021 08:42

Reaching I know, but could he have developed a UTI?
(Yes I've been watching Succession)

More likely he was drunk and got a bee in his bonnet, but you never know.

vdbfamily · 28/11/2021 08:44

Did you refuse to let him pay because you were concerned he could not afford it? If not, and he could have week afforded it, I go with the theory that coupled with being drunk, he wanted to treat you all and was not allowed to and may have felt insulted by this or that you were maybe suggesting her could not afford it!?

girlmom21 · 28/11/2021 08:46

@Subbaxeo

If this is totally out of character, never happened before, I would get him to see a GP.
"Hi Doc, I drank a bottle of wine and acted like a twat. I don't normally drink much so this behaviour is out of character. What you you suggest?"

"That you don't drink a whole bottle on wine..."

I don't think someone's drunken behaviour is cause to go to the doctor and waste their valuable time.
If he has started drinking heavily regularly, that might be different.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 28/11/2021 08:46

hope your DM is ok op

GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 28/11/2021 08:48

Some people pleasers on this thread.
It’s ok to have boundaries and not wishing to be drunkenly abused in the street is a minimum.

RandomMess · 28/11/2021 08:48

Hope your Mum is ok Thanks

LaurieFairyCake · 28/11/2021 08:48

I'm glad he's safe upstairs as I was worried when you wondered if he'd gone out after sleeping on the sofa

Can I urge you all to not shy away from being direct - ask if he's ok, say you're very worried about how he acted last night and ask if he needs any support. If he tries to minimise his behaviour or ignore what you're saying please be very direct about what he said and did - at that point come at it from a point of you - lots of 'I' statements. 'I was frightened when this behaviour happened' etc

Please don't avoid talking about it.

Mookie81 · 28/11/2021 08:49

For fuck's sake, it's not dementia or a drinking problem and it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure it out- his mother has died and he's recovering from Covid. He drank too much, probably a reaction to grief, was annoyed by the faff with the bill and it set him off. His behaviour was bad and he needs to apologise, but give him a chance to do that and take it from there.

Mookie81 · 28/11/2021 08:50

@GoodbyePorpoiseSpit

I bet he doesn’t apologise. I bet he doubles down or tries to minimise: ‘you’re not still thinking about that are you?’ ‘You were acting rudely about my kind gesture to pay the bill’ Etc. I’d say he has a developing drinking problem :( that’s what I would suspect. I hope you’re ok you have done NOTHING WRONG
Ridiculous post.
Opal8 · 28/11/2021 08:50

I'd bet my left tit he won't apologise!

But I hope so for the op and her mums sake.