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Argument at Christmas meal…

260 replies

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 05:45

NC for this one. DH’s parents are away this Christmas who live locally and my parents live 4 hours away. We generally have a tradition each year as everyone gets on very well where we will do a pre Xmas get together myself, DH, in laws, my parents, SIL/BIL (SIL has children we do not yet). Is generally always a nice evening out and has been going on for about 5-6 years now since married.

Anyway tonight we had this meal, went to a local french restaurant, all well - drinks flowing but not to an excessive extent that I was aware of. The bill came at the end, bill agreed to be split 4 ways. My father insisted on paying, only at this point I noticed he was quite drunk at the table. Really nice thought but we all insisted no, this went back and forth to the point where it got incredibly awkward. In the end bill agreed to be split 4 ways between couples but he became a bit grumpy, subject changed all fine. Then my mum who had forgotten her glasses, handed me her card and asked me to put it in the machine for her, I misheard what she said and replied “sorry, what did you say?” Across the table. At which point my father said “for f**cks sake Violet4 just sort it out stop making a fuss.” Myself and my mother looked across at him at the table confused, as it was so out of context and I explained to him the only issue was I hadn’t been able to hear my mother. Again all fine.

Meal ended, bit of a strange atmosphere at the end but nevermind, all said goodbye lovely meal etc. Restaurant is a short walk home so myself DH and parents began the walk.

As soon as my PIL and SIL were out of ear shot, my Dad absolutely lost it started asking “what the hell was your problem at the table I saw the way you two were looking at me” , we were absolutely bemused and explained he was making something out of nothing and just drunk, this caused him to get more and more angry resulted in him screaming in the street, swearing, called us a “pair of pr*cks” , shouting at us saying JUST WALK AWAY, but then kept trying to walk past us first. Clearly absolutely hammered drunk. Almost squaring up to us, nostrils flaring really really frightening. All got very emotional and very very nasty, DH walked ahead with myself and my Mother, he trailed behind stormed off somewhere then I heard him come in about 20 mins after us. They are staying at ours. I got home in tears, as did my mother. Now everyone asleep and I’ve been wide awake all night. Obviously they live 4 hours away so nowhere else for him to stay and really sad as we only see them once a month or so. It was honestly frightening, I’ve never seen him like that.

Now I know people say “this is out of character”, I am 34 years old and drunk or otherwise I have NEVER seen my father behave in that way, ever. Nor has my Mother and her reaction tonight you could tell she was utterly shell shocked afterwards. We have a very close relationship we speak daily on the phone and she tells me every little disagreement they’ve ever had etc. I really believe her that he’s never done this before.
I can’t piece together why this has happened tonight. He recently lost his mother (my grandmother) and he himself has been quite unwell with Covid. Maybe linked to that but I just don’t know why this behaviour manifested out of absolutely nothing.

Anyway if you have got this far, thank you. I don’t really know what I am posting for, I’ve been awake anxious about the morning for most of the night and not sure how to navigate this tommorrow. We have plans with SIL and her kids before they head off tomorrow and I don’t even think I can face being around him after last night, despite the fact he’s in the guest room as we speak…

Thank you x

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Violet4 · 28/11/2021 07:22

We are supposed to be going to a local national trust site today for a walk with SIL (+ my parents and DH). However plan was to go early as my parents have a long journey back. Not sure how this will play out now. He may be too hungover I’m not sure x

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Violet4 · 28/11/2021 07:24

I really feel as though I want to shut the bedroom door and hide in here for the rest of the weekend, although I know I can’t do that!

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 28/11/2021 07:28

a walk will clear heads op

MissKeithsNeice · 28/11/2021 07:30

Op - that sounds horrible. I too would be shaken up by that.

It sounds like its completely out of character. If so, just look out for him today. He'll be embarrassed and ashamed, and last nights incident could send many people into a downward spiral if shame/depression.

Ignore the posters telling you to confront him Hmm. He's had a heck of a year.

Good point re feeling embarrassed after his offer to pay was refused.

Hope your mums okay. My dad is mid 70s and is struggling with depression. He's always been just a calm, cheerful presence before. Its hard to see your dad like this.

ClaudiaJ1 · 28/11/2021 07:31

Did he order drinks that he doesn't normally have? This happened once with my father, a beer drinker who went to a function and had rum. It really made him hateful and nasty, and both I and my mother were in tears.

Regardless, if I were you, I as his daughter would have a heart to heart with my father today after the hangover lifts and tell him how abusive and violent he was and you "don't ever want to see him treating my mother like that ever again". And that you were so hurt and so ashamed of him.

He really needs to know.

Fairylights25 · 28/11/2021 07:32

I don't think it is okay op that he has behaved like that, and it is up to him to make amends.

Bopahula · 28/11/2021 07:32

Oh lovely.

It's horrid when something like this happens, if it's out of character then I'd wait for an apology from him, I suspect the time of year is now hard (and maybe the first sign of Christmas which makes it harder to think of his mum etc), coupled with some embarrassment about the bill, and some drink and he's just gone way over the top. The first time I drank after Covid I was way more drunk than I'd usually get after only a couple of drinks.

I'm not excusing his behaviour. He needs to come out and apologise profusely for it and mean it. We all screw up occasionally.

HeartsAndClubs · 28/11/2021 07:38

As much as the dementia diagnosers are already here, i wouldn’t be too quick to assume it’s that.

It was a one off which has happened after a year of uncertainty in general, and then covid and a bereavement thrown on top.

Sometimes it’s the littlest things which push someone over the edge.

See what happens today. If it continues to be a thing going forward you can think more seriously about medical stuff. But right now he’s a human being, and none of us are infallible.

pictish · 28/11/2021 07:40

@VeruccaSalty

I think the drink, the grief and the fact that he tried to do a nice thing by paying and it got turned into something awkward, have combined to make him behave in an out of character way. My dad always used to say if someone offers to pay it is better to accept with good grace than make a big fuss about not letting them. I am not saying you were wrong at all, just for a man of a certain age, it might be pride thing.
This.

He was drunk and allowed himself to be an arse. I hope he’s suitably embarrassed this morning and issues an apology.

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 07:42

He was drinking red wine which although he likes a glass or two with food , he never drinks in large quantities. To be honest I can barely count on one hand the number of times I’ve ever seen him drunk at all and those times he’s only ever been a happy drunk, he’s always the one to volunteer to drive and have soft drinks etc. My IL’s are much more keen on nights out/drinking and my parents are normally the opposite. However come to think of it last night, he was the one saying “let’s get another bottle”. Perhaps the fact he was really pushing the pace tonight is a sign somethings changed & he’s struggling. Not saying there’s anything by wrong with a few drinks at a Xmas meal but he obviously took it too far x

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Yusanaim · 28/11/2021 07:45

There is probably some underlying thing - are ILs richer than him, posher?, is he on medication which is clashing with the booze? Not sure why he didn't just get to pay if he wanted to. Someone else can do it next time. Surely someone noticed how much he was drinking, if you drink with a meal you have to drink a lot to get that bad.
I would let it go just now and try to find out at a later date what the issue was. Perhaps he didn't want to come and feels you should visit him.

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 07:46

I do of course fully appreciate as well as some of you are saying that we are all human x

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Violet4 · 28/11/2021 07:51

@Yusanaim

There is probably some underlying thing - are ILs richer than him, posher?, is he on medication which is clashing with the booze? Not sure why he didn't just get to pay if he wanted to. Someone else can do it next time. Surely someone noticed how much he was drinking, if you drink with a meal you have to drink a lot to get that bad. I would let it go just now and try to find out at a later date what the issue was. Perhaps he didn't want to come and feels you should visit him.
They are actually so I suppose it could be that too. The general feeling at the table was let’s split it equally as they’ve travelled up to the meal and it was quite a hefty bill, but I can see why perhaps that may have offended. Everyone was very gracious about it and commented on how kind it was to offer etc.

I don’t think it could be the visiting thing as I think we are quite equal, we go down to see them very frequently and spent 5 days there in August with them as our summer holiday. In fact we are spending Christmas with them also… which I’m worried DH is now worried about after last night (he’s not said anything, I am just an over thinker) x

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BabyBunnyMama · 28/11/2021 07:51

Ah OP I can imagine how awkward and upsetting that must have been! I hope he wakes up with a clearer head and you are able to talk it out before your day today. Such a shame to let something like this come between what sounds like a great relationship with your parents, so I hope he takes ownership and apologises to you. Definitely better so air it out than brush it under the carpet and be feeling uncomfortable for the rest of their stay and the lead up to Christmas!

UnsuitableHat · 28/11/2021 07:53

Sounds like a build up of stress combined with an unusual amount to drink tipped him over the edge for some reason. Take it easy today and see how he is.

MyOtherProfile · 28/11/2021 07:55

It may well be the grief and post covid issues. Hard to say what next until you've seen him and your mum. She must be terribly upset too.

Luredbyapomegranate · 28/11/2021 07:55

Sorry you had that.

We are all human. This does feel like one of those ‘my parents are people’ revelation moments. He’s been ill and lost his mum, drank more than usual, fancied being the big man and paying, and then realised everyone thought he was being weird, got paranoid, could control his emotions because drunk, lost it. As a PP says men of that age are often not great at expressing emotions, but anger is acceptably male, as is drinking.

Be supportive to your mum. But encourage her to see it in this light (assuming it is very rare). Don’t be over solicitous to your Dad, just crack on with the day. He should apologise properly, to everyone. But then it should be forgotten - he’s a person, not just your Dad.

PaulaTrilloe · 28/11/2021 07:56

Things like untreated high blood pressure can cause behaviour changes such as angry outbursts & uncharacteristic swearing. It might be the first Christmas without your grandmother. Social anxiety in larger groups. Maybe organise a visit to your DP on their home turf without your DH 's family?

Nillynally · 28/11/2021 07:59

Oh that's going to be an awkward breakfast. As everyone above said, completely out of character obviously a hard year. Sounds like your mums put him out on the sofa too, good for her!
You sound exactly like me and don't like confrontation, awkwardness etc. It's horrible but you have done nothing wrong, I would hope he would apologise and you have a chat with your mum about maybe him seeing a dr when he gets home.

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 08:04

@Nillynally

Oh that's going to be an awkward breakfast. As everyone above said, completely out of character obviously a hard year. Sounds like your mums put him out on the sofa too, good for her! You sound exactly like me and don't like confrontation, awkwardness etc. It's horrible but you have done nothing wrong, I would hope he would apologise and you have a chat with your mum about maybe him seeing a dr when he gets home.
You’re absolutely right I hate confrontation. Since I’ve lived further away from my parents also (we moved a few years back), I also feel the need to make the most of the time we have together when we visit eachother & worry if people don’t enjoy/ want to make the best of it. So obviously last night is a nightmare from that perspective as well, feels like wasted time spent together x
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Faevern · 28/11/2021 08:06

If this is the first time you have seen this I understand you are in shock, it sort of rocks your world a bit when someone dependable acts out of character.

Why don't you carry on as planned and see what happens when he wakes and not try to overthink it including second guessing how others feel about it and how it will affect the future.

Check that your mother is ok, if he is grieving maybe she has noticed a change in him, and if your dad is as solid as you say he is he will apologise.

Speaking as someone who has lost both parents I have surprised myself at times on when, where and how my grief has blindsided me.

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 08:13

Just received a text from my mother asking if we can meet downstairs in the kitchen for a cuppa bless her. He is still asleep apparently x

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Livebythecoast · 28/11/2021 08:14

Oh OP, I'm sorry the night ended the way it did. It will be interesting to see how he handles it this morning and if he's remorseful, embarrassed and apologises or if he shrugs it off and isn't apologetic. I think that will be a good indicator if there is an underlying problem or simply a drunken one off.
I barely drink now but when I used to, if I drunk spirits instead of wine I would become quite argumentative and not my normal 'happy tipsy' self so I do think certain drinks can alter a person's personality. Coupled with grief and being unwell, it wasn't a good combination.
I'm a bit like you though, over think and get anxious in awkward situations but hopefully he'll apologise and the rest of your day goes without any dramas Flowers

CasparsWineBar · 28/11/2021 08:16

Hopefully he will realise when he wakes up that his behaviour was not on last night and apologise to everyone.

Then you and your mum can have a chat with him about what caused the outburst and how he's feeling in himself- as pps said, there may be something going on for him like grief or stress.

girlmom21 · 28/11/2021 08:18

If he doesn't wake up before the walk, go without him.
If he wakes and doesn't instantly apologise, go without him.

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