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Argument at Christmas meal…

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Violet4 · 28/11/2021 05:45

NC for this one. DH’s parents are away this Christmas who live locally and my parents live 4 hours away. We generally have a tradition each year as everyone gets on very well where we will do a pre Xmas get together myself, DH, in laws, my parents, SIL/BIL (SIL has children we do not yet). Is generally always a nice evening out and has been going on for about 5-6 years now since married.

Anyway tonight we had this meal, went to a local french restaurant, all well - drinks flowing but not to an excessive extent that I was aware of. The bill came at the end, bill agreed to be split 4 ways. My father insisted on paying, only at this point I noticed he was quite drunk at the table. Really nice thought but we all insisted no, this went back and forth to the point where it got incredibly awkward. In the end bill agreed to be split 4 ways between couples but he became a bit grumpy, subject changed all fine. Then my mum who had forgotten her glasses, handed me her card and asked me to put it in the machine for her, I misheard what she said and replied “sorry, what did you say?” Across the table. At which point my father said “for f**cks sake Violet4 just sort it out stop making a fuss.” Myself and my mother looked across at him at the table confused, as it was so out of context and I explained to him the only issue was I hadn’t been able to hear my mother. Again all fine.

Meal ended, bit of a strange atmosphere at the end but nevermind, all said goodbye lovely meal etc. Restaurant is a short walk home so myself DH and parents began the walk.

As soon as my PIL and SIL were out of ear shot, my Dad absolutely lost it started asking “what the hell was your problem at the table I saw the way you two were looking at me” , we were absolutely bemused and explained he was making something out of nothing and just drunk, this caused him to get more and more angry resulted in him screaming in the street, swearing, called us a “pair of pr*cks” , shouting at us saying JUST WALK AWAY, but then kept trying to walk past us first. Clearly absolutely hammered drunk. Almost squaring up to us, nostrils flaring really really frightening. All got very emotional and very very nasty, DH walked ahead with myself and my Mother, he trailed behind stormed off somewhere then I heard him come in about 20 mins after us. They are staying at ours. I got home in tears, as did my mother. Now everyone asleep and I’ve been wide awake all night. Obviously they live 4 hours away so nowhere else for him to stay and really sad as we only see them once a month or so. It was honestly frightening, I’ve never seen him like that.

Now I know people say “this is out of character”, I am 34 years old and drunk or otherwise I have NEVER seen my father behave in that way, ever. Nor has my Mother and her reaction tonight you could tell she was utterly shell shocked afterwards. We have a very close relationship we speak daily on the phone and she tells me every little disagreement they’ve ever had etc. I really believe her that he’s never done this before.
I can’t piece together why this has happened tonight. He recently lost his mother (my grandmother) and he himself has been quite unwell with Covid. Maybe linked to that but I just don’t know why this behaviour manifested out of absolutely nothing.

Anyway if you have got this far, thank you. I don’t really know what I am posting for, I’ve been awake anxious about the morning for most of the night and not sure how to navigate this tommorrow. We have plans with SIL and her kids before they head off tomorrow and I don’t even think I can face being around him after last night, despite the fact he’s in the guest room as we speak…

Thank you x

OP posts:
OhCrumbsWhereNow · 28/11/2021 18:42

I wonder if it's an after-effect of Covid?

I had it about 6/7 weeks ago and have been horrible snappy and irritable ever since. Plus finding my memory is playing up and feeling very down and depressed and like I'm in a fog a lot of the time.

Was talking to one of my siblings last night who was describing the exact same symptoms - including extreme irritableness and getting furious over nothing - and said they had been diagnosed with long Covid on the back of it.

Did a bit of googling and it seems quite a common problem - especially if you had it mildly enough that you weren't in hospital but badly enough that you felt pretty grim for a week or so.

If it's totally out of character, that might well explain it?

WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 28/11/2021 18:55

Sounds like a Culmination of not handling drink his drink very well, perhaps that’s why he normally opts to drive? having had Covid recently he is likely to be more irritable and perhaps some of the factors like his perception that parents in law are more wealthy and you all were a bit patronising.

KosherDill · 28/11/2021 22:22

@Lineofconcepcion

Am I the only one who thinks if a family member offers to pay it's because they would like to treat everyone. To refuse is actually quite rude and throwing their gift back in their face.

No, you aren't the only one.

Someone makes a generous gesture and is patronized and dismissed rather than thanked. So rude and obnoxious of the rest of the family.

Imagine if they has just said "why, David, thank you! How kind!" "Thank you for a lovely meal!"

How differently the evening would have ended.

StEval · 29/11/2021 08:01

Someone makes a generous gesture and is patronized and dismissed rather than thanked. So rude and obnoxious of the rest of the family.

They agreed to split the bill, nothing rude, obnoxious or patronising at all.

Appalling that you are blaming them because he was drunk and abusive to his wife and daughter.
Thats the abusers mindset.
" you made me .. "

KosherDill · 29/11/2021 12:11

@StEval

Someone makes a generous gesture and is patronized and dismissed rather than thanked. So rude and obnoxious of the rest of the family.

They agreed to split the bill, nothing rude, obnoxious or patronising at all.

Appalling that you are blaming them because he was drunk and abusive to his wife and daughter.
Thats the abusers mindset.
" you made me .. "

Drunk and angry one time does not equal "abuser."

The OP states that her mother speaks with her daily tells her about "every little disagreement" the parents have. Maybe the poor sod is fed up with being critiqued by those two, and their overruling his generous gesture re the dinner was the last straw.

ErickBroch · 29/11/2021 13:08

Just sounds like he got absolutely blotto and it was combined with being hurt/offended that he wasn't allowed to pay the bill! I have family members who insist and would be really upset if they couldn't like it's a dig at their ego... It doesn't sound like a medical problem, just your dad got plastered and lost it over being embarrassed.

StEval · 29/11/2021 13:11

Drunk and angry one time does not equal "abuser."
I was talking about the mindset of the abuser that you displayed not the DF.

" You/ they made me do it"
Zero responsibility

Outlyingtrout · 29/11/2021 13:17

Someone can offer to pay for a meal but there is no obligation for others to accept and it certainly is not rude to decline. Actually it's bloody rude to continue to insist on paying after someone has politely declined and especially to become bad tempered afterwards. People may feel uncomfortable with allowing someone else to foot their bill for various, completely valid, reasons. His feelings are not more important than anyone else's. And actually, if he's going to get bent out of shape about his offer being declined then he quite obviously wasn't doing it for the benefit of the other guests anyway. If he wanted to do something genuinely altruistic and make other people happy (as opposed to wanting a big old pat on the back and to have everyone think he's a really great guy), he wouldn't then behave like a petulant child at the table and spoil everyone's evening when it didn't go his way. He certainly wouldn't be angry enough about it to shout, swear and physically intimidate his female family members.

Someone was certainly rude and obnoxious, but it wasn't any of the other guests.

Coffeetree · 29/11/2021 13:30

@StEval

Drunk and angry one time does not equal "abuser." I was talking about the mindset of the abuser that you displayed not the DF.

" You/ they made me do it"
Zero responsibility

He was literally abusive in his behaviour. What else makes an abuser?

Depressing.

StEval · 29/11/2021 13:34

@Coffeetree
I was quoting the other poster !
I was discussing his/ her attitude that " you made me"
Jesus I know what abuse is !

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