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Argument at Christmas meal…

260 replies

Violet4 · 28/11/2021 05:45

NC for this one. DH’s parents are away this Christmas who live locally and my parents live 4 hours away. We generally have a tradition each year as everyone gets on very well where we will do a pre Xmas get together myself, DH, in laws, my parents, SIL/BIL (SIL has children we do not yet). Is generally always a nice evening out and has been going on for about 5-6 years now since married.

Anyway tonight we had this meal, went to a local french restaurant, all well - drinks flowing but not to an excessive extent that I was aware of. The bill came at the end, bill agreed to be split 4 ways. My father insisted on paying, only at this point I noticed he was quite drunk at the table. Really nice thought but we all insisted no, this went back and forth to the point where it got incredibly awkward. In the end bill agreed to be split 4 ways between couples but he became a bit grumpy, subject changed all fine. Then my mum who had forgotten her glasses, handed me her card and asked me to put it in the machine for her, I misheard what she said and replied “sorry, what did you say?” Across the table. At which point my father said “for f**cks sake Violet4 just sort it out stop making a fuss.” Myself and my mother looked across at him at the table confused, as it was so out of context and I explained to him the only issue was I hadn’t been able to hear my mother. Again all fine.

Meal ended, bit of a strange atmosphere at the end but nevermind, all said goodbye lovely meal etc. Restaurant is a short walk home so myself DH and parents began the walk.

As soon as my PIL and SIL were out of ear shot, my Dad absolutely lost it started asking “what the hell was your problem at the table I saw the way you two were looking at me” , we were absolutely bemused and explained he was making something out of nothing and just drunk, this caused him to get more and more angry resulted in him screaming in the street, swearing, called us a “pair of pr*cks” , shouting at us saying JUST WALK AWAY, but then kept trying to walk past us first. Clearly absolutely hammered drunk. Almost squaring up to us, nostrils flaring really really frightening. All got very emotional and very very nasty, DH walked ahead with myself and my Mother, he trailed behind stormed off somewhere then I heard him come in about 20 mins after us. They are staying at ours. I got home in tears, as did my mother. Now everyone asleep and I’ve been wide awake all night. Obviously they live 4 hours away so nowhere else for him to stay and really sad as we only see them once a month or so. It was honestly frightening, I’ve never seen him like that.

Now I know people say “this is out of character”, I am 34 years old and drunk or otherwise I have NEVER seen my father behave in that way, ever. Nor has my Mother and her reaction tonight you could tell she was utterly shell shocked afterwards. We have a very close relationship we speak daily on the phone and she tells me every little disagreement they’ve ever had etc. I really believe her that he’s never done this before.
I can’t piece together why this has happened tonight. He recently lost his mother (my grandmother) and he himself has been quite unwell with Covid. Maybe linked to that but I just don’t know why this behaviour manifested out of absolutely nothing.

Anyway if you have got this far, thank you. I don’t really know what I am posting for, I’ve been awake anxious about the morning for most of the night and not sure how to navigate this tommorrow. We have plans with SIL and her kids before they head off tomorrow and I don’t even think I can face being around him after last night, despite the fact he’s in the guest room as we speak…

Thank you x

OP posts:
Allsortsofroses · 28/11/2021 13:32

@DietrichandDiMaggio

going to use the car journey to discuss further and ask him if he really is ok psychologically as last night was a real worry

Do you think your dad is going to appreciate you going on at him about his drunken behaviour whilst in the car on the way to your walk?

Who gaf what he appreciates when hos heavily ruined a Christnad family meal and left several other people shell shocked, upset, distressed, and getting poor sleep ...... maybe his comfort and relaxation shouldn't be top priority.
Allsortsofroses · 28/11/2021 13:33

*his behaviour

Missmissmiiiiiiiiisss · 28/11/2021 13:33

Bain the circumstances you’ve described Id be concerned that there was underlying medical reason or stress too, or it could be a one off after a really crappy year.

Hope you have a nice walk together.

Allsortsofroses · 28/11/2021 13:34

Let's top toe around the aggressor ... wouldn't want to put them out Hmm.

Coffeetree · 28/11/2021 13:34

"Huffy"

girlmom21 · 28/11/2021 13:40

@blowtheroofoff

My first thought of this is dementia.

My Dad has just been diagnosed with mixed dementia and about 4/5 years ago he had a huge, out-of-character outburst at me over something very minor. I started seeing little personality changes after that, maybe because I was looking out for it more, and if it wasn't for the pandemic, I think he could have been diagnosed a lot earlier.

A trip to the doc might be useful ...

Presumably your dads behaviour wasn't alcohol-fuelled.
Carpetsareforflying · 28/11/2021 14:28

Beginning of dementia is what I would be concerned about. Keep looking for signs

KosherDill · 28/11/2021 14:31

He's apologized. Leave him alone; don't keep digging at it.

The man lost his mother amid a global pandemic. Give him a break.

Santaischeckinglists · 28/11/2021 14:44

Was him having a nice evening too much and he felt guilty? His dm wasn't there. Surely everyone had a moment they aren't proud of? Hope you get things sorted and have a nice Xmas.

BonnesVacances · 28/11/2021 14:46

I haven't RTFT but based on your OP and what's happening in our household with FIL, I'd suggest the Covid infection has kickstarted the development of Dementia. Since FIL had Covid last year his behaviour has slowly altered to the point where he now tells people he's a single man and is telling all and sundry that MIL is 'going crackers' (his words) and turning into Hitler.

Factoring in the grief of your FIL losing a parent too, I'd say there's been some long-lasting neurological disturbance.

Blackberrybunnet · 28/11/2021 15:01

If it was totally out of character I think you should let it all blow over. It definitely sounds like a grief reaction to me - my own father was very difficult to deal with for about 6 months after his father dies, nothing was right and he became unreasonably cross very easily.

Thatsplentyjack · 28/11/2021 15:09

Why didn't you all just let him pay for the dinner? Why argue about it until it got awkward?

CookPassBabtridge · 28/11/2021 15:12

When I've been going through a really stressful time, I had two moments where I absolutely screamed at strangers (they were doing something bad to be fair) and I'm normally the most chilled person, and no alcohol involved!
Sometimes all the bottled up shite spills over and booze helps that..
I hope he apologises!

CustardySergeant · 28/11/2021 15:22

He has already apologised CookPassBabtridge.

Doomscrolling · 28/11/2021 16:40

Not to say his behaviour was OK, it wasn't! But when I was bereaved I was batshit crazy for a full year. ALL the emotions, all the time. Everything was hideously raw and overwhelming.

Dontbeme · 28/11/2021 16:53

@Doomscrolling

Not to say his behaviour was OK, it wasn't! But when I was bereaved I was batshit crazy for a full year. ALL the emotions, all the time. Everything was hideously raw and overwhelming.
Yeah I was the same, have you tried just asking your dad if he's okay OP? Have you had any time with him alone. Your parents have travelled to you, they have a meal out with your family and in-laws, his offer to pay for the family meal refused, now he gets to be lectured by your and your dh in the car about his blow up before "enjoying" a walk with your in-laws again. Do you think he may be feeling pushed out of his own daughters life? He lost his mother (to the same illness he himself had) he may be looking at this as being pushed away by you too, feeling fragile, grieving combined with booze it was only ever going to end in an argument or tears from my experience. I think you all need to calm down a bit to be honest. (Cue posters accusing me of being a domestic abuse apologist)
GatoradeMeBitch · 28/11/2021 17:01

I'd be apologizing to your dad if I were you.

There's always one.

Mistymountain · 28/11/2021 17:03

I think the outburst was brought on by the strain of his mother's death and also by having had covid. I usually think that if someone offers to pay the bill, it's polite to ask them if they're sure, and if they still insist, then thank them and let them pay with no further argument.

GinGinItsAWonderfulThing · 28/11/2021 17:14

Oh OP what a shame 😢 it really sounds like grief to me. Not excusing it, but I am the least nasty drunk (rarely get drunk and when I do I fall asleep 🤣) but I had a few outbursts after both my parents died. Didn’t always realise it was grief until DH kindly pointed out a certain event/anniversary that would make it make sense if you see what I mean? Sending love, it’s always horrid and worrying when these things come seemingly out of the blue x

Lineofconcepcion · 28/11/2021 17:21

Am I the only one who thinks if a family member offers to pay it's because they would like to treat everyone. To refuse is actually quite rude and throwing their gift back in their face.

Talith · 28/11/2021 17:23

Haven't read the whole thread - my immediate thought is he lost his mother and probably got more drunk than usual as a consequence and so a molehill became a mountain to him.

When I was divorcing I was under so much strain I was a total bitch to so many people because I was out of control with stress - fortunately my robust relatives gave me a kick up the arse.

Hopefully a one off. Hopefully he's mortified at losing control. You do deserve apologies of course, being intimidated like that is not acceptable.

Nanny0gg · 28/11/2021 17:55

@Lineofconcepcion

Am I the only one who thinks if a family member offers to pay it's because they would like to treat everyone. To refuse is actually quite rude and throwing their gift back in their face.
Not if it leaves the other members of the party (who aren't family) feeling awkward
MizzFizz · 28/11/2021 18:05

My friend's dad's dementia began in a similar way, then progressed to a serious depression. I would be keeping and eye out for any other behaviour changes and maybe have him see the GP.

girlmom21 · 28/11/2021 18:07

@Lineofconcepcion

Am I the only one who thinks if a family member offers to pay it's because they would like to treat everyone. To refuse is actually quite rude and throwing their gift back in their face.
You obviously don't have relatives or friends who think offering to pay for everything for everyone all the time earns them some kind of superiority.

The kind of person who pays for everyone (only insisting they do so after the meal) but then complains about how expensive it was to all the attendees separately in 'private' and that nobody else insisted on paying and blah blah.

Such fun.

ancientgran · 28/11/2021 18:41

@Doomscrolling

Not to say his behaviour was OK, it wasn't! But when I was bereaved I was batshit crazy for a full year. ALL the emotions, all the time. Everything was hideously raw and overwhelming.
I was terrible for a year after my mum died. I was driving home, 3.5 hr journey after she died to sort some stuff and go back for funeral. A man pushed in front of me when I stopped at the services when I was queuing up for a drink and something to eat.

I am so glad no one had phones that videoed everything back then as I went bat shit at him. It looked like he was on a coach trip and as I cried about leaving my dead mother's bedside they all looked at him with such reproach. I hope he recovered.

For the rest of the year I controlled it because of upsetting the kids but every night I took the dog for a long walk and cried for an hour. It was fine in the dark nights but a bit embarrassing when the light nights returned.