How do you talk to other women?

[littlepieces]

I've always found making friendships, or even just conversation, with women really difficult, I feel like there's something I'm just not getting. I much prefer the company of men and find them much easier to talk to, easier to maintain relationships with, and much easier to sort of read I suppose. I also never really know what to say to women? With men I just have a laugh, but women don't really communicate like that. What do you talk about with other women? Anyone else similar? Or have any advice?

Eg. I went for a try out at a sports club recently. Another woman around my age was also there for the first time, so I said hi it's my first time here too, haven't played for a while not sure what to expect etc. She just looked at me like I'd spoken in a foreign language, and said nothing back. I tried again, but just got a brief laugh humouring me. And then later we had to pair up for a warm up and I turned to her to ask if she wanted to pair up and she turned immediately away and asked someone else. I don't look unusual or anything so have absolutely no idea what that was all about, but would say that's pretty typical of my social failings!

What ho @CheeseMmmm.

I DO wish you'd stop dissing Eight.
SHE IS A WOMAN. We both know this for a fact, because .. internet, & must now Do Performative Self-Punitive Sisterhood, despite the fact that Eight enjoys fantasies of goading female colleagues with baked goods, & imagines this is something to feel clever about.

Anyhoo, love to stay & chat, but need to go & abase myself to the God Of Perfect Arses Denoting Moral Superiority, so cheerio!

Oh, I didn’t know she was on apprentice. Yes, I think she is quite canny and as she doesn’t have much of anything to really market her to fame she created this very clever personality that people would love to hate that kept her in the public eye. That’s not me saying she’s not that bad, I think saying these unpleasant things for fame is as bad as saying them because you believe them. Interesting though. She does seem a wildly unpleasant woman.

Look at all us women talking about various things it’s like we’re real people with varied interests who can all chat to each other!

Oh yet another observation.

In my long experience.

Women who do really enjoy being found sexually attractive by men. (Any man, obv, this is all about, not a specific one, or attractive ones.)

I mean the women who essentially make it obvious to men that they welcome that sort of appreciative look, eyes going to breasts, behaving all well hellooooo!

And yes they are around I've met some and are very good friends with one! (I am fascinated by this side of her and many conversations! I'm essentially the opposite so we both find it interesting!).

IME women like this exist across the board (work age really that's where came across it). Across sizes, other aspects of personality, relationship status, how many female friends had (shock!).

And also IME that behaviour didn't mean men actually liked them. And of course loads aren't into that either. Because men are individuals too! (Double shock!).

They understood and liked that game. if that was their thing. Loads hate it. Plenty are actively terrified

When men make friends with women it's because they LIKE them. Find them interesting, a laugh etc.

(Either sex pretending to want to be a friend and actually it's because they fancy them is a different thing entirely).

Lol charging read first line or two and thought here we go again!

On bozza.

Interesting character. Full of contradictions. Is the mad haired buffoon an act? What he's like all the time? Is he very clever or very dim? A well disguised master of gaining publicity and (before PM) a widespread fairly positive public opinion as funny, harmless etc.. or is what's presented all there is?

Loads of stuff.

I've always been inclined towards the it's an act and natural flair for being seen as harmless, entertaining man with an amusing habit of blundering.

And it's worked for yonks. He's been in public eye for years. Public opinion generally was positive (I suspect still is even the pm shenanigans) and he seems to be Teflon (again not sure any more but suspect so given other things he's done as pm eg lie to queen and that's just the start!).

Cheese, Johnson's public persona is a VERY carefully constructed act by an extremely clever sociopath. You don't get a Classics degree from Oxford by being a buffoon.
Nobody who knows him disputes his undoubted brain power - what they do all say is that he is lazy, doesn't do detail, & has a short attention span, so loses interest in following anything through.

When you have time, read this article closely. It is a horrifying exposure of the extent of Johnson's cynical manipulation of a willingly gullible public - reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/

He started early - see the letter from Eton College in 1982 which excoriates him, in the most courteous language, for his "gross failure of responsibility" & staggering entitlement which makes him believe "he should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else"
www.indy100.com/news/boris-johnson-eton-college-letter-stanley-class-brexit-conservatives-8774126

A dangerous man. I think he's on the way out, as he's exceeded his usefulness & the Tory High Grandees are privately appalled by him. But Gove is even more dangerous. And there is simply no current opposition party that has a chance of winning a GE - we've become a one-party state.

That whole Peppa Pig speech debacle, btw, was to draw media attention away from the Health & Care Bill which got passed on the same day. The Bill that paves the way for full privatisation of our NHS.
It worked. I don't think eg the BBC has reported this.
voxpoliticalonline.com/2021/11/22/johnsons-peppa-pig-meltdown-dont-be-daft-he-was-just-distracting-us-from-his-nhs-carve-up/

I used to worry about this. Only a few friends and no one makes a beeline to chat to me socially unless I instigate. I'm not likely to do that unless I see or hear something that makes me think ... you're my cup of tea. Other than that, pretty unsociable. BUT. If I meet someone I like... who I just instantly click with.... then game on! Instant Mates and we tend to stay in touch. I just know. I dont try and make friends or chat to everyone , just the ones I sense something from. Otherwise what's the point. It happens rarely but I dont care. Quality over quantity.

I usually find having a moan helps break the ice! Like, something to bond over... so in gym, I might say "jesus this is killing me!" And see what reaction I get. Polite smile? See ya. A belly laugh and "christ, me too!" And I tend to chat...