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I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.

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Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 13:23

I have been with my partner for 5 years and we have a 3 yo DC together (DP is a great Dad) and a wedding booked in the near future. Never until recently have I ever had reason do doubt his fidelity.

My DP went on a stag do a few months ago, not for him but a friend. It was 2 nights in Newcastle, it was booked through a stag do company (this is sort of relevant).

My DP came back from the stag do and told me all about it. One story stood out as weird in my head BUT did not make me feel suspicious at the time. He said that on one of the nights the booking company organised for 2 “bar girls” to take them on a bar crawl around Newcastle. He said at the end of the night he gave the girls £20 tip and so did his friend. However, another man at the party did not give them a tip and so one of the girls threw a drink in his face. For me something did not add up about this story as it seemed there was more to this story. However, I did not say anything at the time.

Then the very day he got home, he started washing all the clothes he took with him. I usually do the washing in the house and I felt this was very odd, as he is very much someone who would usually leave a bag unpacked for weeks. I felt it was odd, and I will admit that I started to feel suspicious in my head. When I commented about the washing and that it was strange, he was quite defensive and asked me if I was suggesting something. In fairness, looking back my tone was accusatory, I could have dealt with it better.

Then shortly after he came back he deleted all social media from his phone. So, whilst his Facebook profile was active, he would not receive any notifications or messages. When I asked him, he said he wanted to take a social media break. In the 5 years I have known him he has never done that, so it was out of character.

I found this suspicious and coupled with the other stuff I had this really overwhelming feeling that something was wrong. So I outright asked him if he cheated on my while he was away. Possibly not the best way to deal with things, I’ll admit. It turned into a massive argument, he was furious that I had accused him. Things have been frosty since.

Then Halloween evening we had carved pumpkins with DC and DP had taken some pictures of them with the candle in. I asked to see the pictures and he said he had sent them to his friend (from stag do) on Whatsapp and would show me. He was scrolling through the pictures on Whatsapp but accidentally went too far and I saw a picture for a split second. It was so quick because he realised what he had done and couldn't get the phone away quick enough, however I saw a few words but couldn't be sure.

I made out I didn't see anything and have carried on as normal. However, last night he left his phone on the side and I looked on the messages between him and his friend and found the image. His friend had sent him a mocked up image of a man wearing a sign saying “I cheated on my girlfriend in Newcastle and this is my punishment.” He had replied with a laughing face emoji. I felt really sick and hurt seeing that, my stomach just dropped.

I asked him to leave last night but I am not sure what to do. I really love this man. His attitude has not been great either. He said I need to calm down and I am overreacting. He said the image is a joke. He hasn't even apologised to me he properly, just a “Sorry if the image has offended you”.

He is making out that I have come to this conclusion out of my own insecurities. Do you think this is the case? The thing is I have never been insecure about my DP being unfaithful to me before. If you asked me 6 months ago if my DP would cheat on my I would have bet my house/car/everything that he would not have.

I just feel like I need someone from the outside to tell me if:

  1. I am justified in my suspicions
  2. I am being insecure and I am the one causing this rift between us.
OP posts:
Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2021 11:53

And telling you about your friend refusing to pay the bar girls would fit - because then if a prostitute found a way to contact you about your partner not paying her...he would be able to go 'oh no, its just that crazy bar girl I told you about. She is making shit up'. Which explains the reason why he told you that odd story that didn't feel right.

minervas1 · 13/11/2021 11:54

@Moutainwoman

When similar happened to me I rang the boyfriends friend in tears and said me and (boyfriend) had just split up over the girl on the stag night. The friend replied oh she meant nothing or something similar and that's how I knew for sure
This is really clever, very good thinking on your part!
Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2021 11:57

*about his friend refusing
(not your friend)

Findingthelight1 · 13/11/2021 12:03

A friend of a friend used to be one of these stag-night girls, in Newcastle too. She was very pretty, vair posh, public school. She did it in her 20s, instead of having a "proper" job, and made a fair bit of money by all accounts (to the best of my knowledge she didn't do "extras", but who knows). I remember her being both amused and repulsed by these groups of feckless older blokes.

EarthSight · 13/11/2021 12:09

I'm sorry OP, but your OP socialises with men who think it's entertaining to buy the company of 'bar girls'. I'm imagining they're young, attractive women paid to flirt with them, and I bet a lot of men who do this hope to have a snog or a grope at the end of the evening. Does this not come across as a bit sad and sleazy to you, especially within the context of men who are already in relationships, and one who is going to get married??

It all sounds a bit immature and laddish to me, and the panicky behaviour afterwards seems to indicate something did happen.

EarthSight · 13/11/2021 12:09

your DP*

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 13/11/2021 15:46

I find it a bit Hmm at people assuming that bar crawl guides are also prostitute's on the side or up for snogging any old customer.

Monalotmoore · 13/11/2021 15:50

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

I find it a bit Hmm at people assuming that bar crawl guides are also prostitute's on the side or up for snogging any old customer.
Well not necessarily no, but it does seem a bit exploitative of attractive females. It's guaranteed there will be some drunk idiot who can't hold his drink and crosses a line.
Bookworm20 · 13/11/2021 16:03

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

I find it a bit Hmm at people assuming that bar crawl guides are also prostitute's on the side or up for snogging any old customer.
I’d never heard of this before so it sounded odd, but I guess it’s a thing. Pretty grim though. The drink throwing though didn’t make sense over a ‘tip’ given these girls are hired and paid. Sounds not like someone crossed a line. Also don’t think the drink was at op’s dp. He wouldn’t wash his own clothes just because of some drink spilled on them
Bookworm20 · 13/11/2021 16:04

*more like someone crossed a line.

Nowomenaroundeh · 13/11/2021 17:33

Oh this is terrible OP, I really feel for you. The worst is he can't reassure you without confessing but then once he's confessed you can't unhear it.

I think you have to really consider if you want to take vows with this man with all this doubt in your head. I would not be able to and I would tell him that.

The meme could be based on him saying you accused him of cheating. The washing laundry could be him soiling himself in a drunken stupor. The social media could be compromising photos that are very unsavoury if not quite cheating. The drink swilling could be the result of horrible laddish behaviour towards the girls.

But all together its a lot.

LuluBlakey1 · 13/11/2021 17:38

[quote SliceOfCakeCupOfTea]@LuluBlakey1 oh it definitely gets worse.

Did you know you can hire a dwarf to be handcuffed to the stag "for a laugh"?

We had a stag group turn up at a bar I ran trying to get in. We refused as we didn't allow any sort of fancy dress and the handcuffs fell into that remit. Told them if they removed the handcuffs they'd be allowed in and they refused and said
"Its not funny if he's not cuffed to a midget"
This bloke was just stood there being insulted and used as a prop.
[/quote]
I really worry about what will happen in the world when I hear stuff like this. Misogyny is worse than it has ever been and is passed off as 'ladishness' and 'banter'. It is most definitely related to the exploitation of women sexually from freely available online porn to the likes of Katie Price and the Kartrashions. Women seem happy to exploit themselves too.

Ema52 · 13/11/2021 17:44

Listen to your gut.
No need to argue or debate with him.
Hes defensive because he cheated.
Hes blaming it on you because he cheated
You know it.
Get rid.

Heepers · 13/11/2021 18:23

What @thefairprincess said. The other stuff is kind of weird but forgettable. I'd take the meme as pretty irrefutable evidence.

I'm not sure what you should do but I'm very sorry this has happened to you and your child.

Anon1244 · 13/11/2021 18:31

Sorry it has taken so long to reply, I have been at work today.

We talked last night and he still hasn't admitted anything. I am genuinely torn between:

  1. He is innocent and has not done anything.
  2. He is a cunt that knows I cannot prove anything so he is standing his ground.

He was a lot more apologetic about the picture than he was previously. I think he has had time to think of how much of a twat it makes him look.

He claims his friend sent him the picture as a pisstake after he told him I had accused him of cheating. I said to him that, if this is the case, it is absolutely disgusting to joke about my insecurities as this has caused a big issue in our relationship.

Luckily I was working alone today as on and off I have had a cry … I just feel so sad and betrayed. I need to have a long think about things as need to think long and hard if I want to end this relationship. As I said before I have a 3 yo to consider, but while it will be tough I am financially independent and the mortgage is in both of our names. So I am not trapped in that sense.

He has agreed to relationship counselling (thank you to someone here who suggested it). We have an initial Zoom appointment this Thursday and will then be added to the waiting list. I have never had counselling before but I am hoping that it will show him that he has treated me badly. I’m also hoping they could counsel me on how to deal with these situations better.

I think how receptive he is to this Thursday appointment will play a big part in my decision about our future. I am not going to tell him this because I want to make sure his reaction is authentic. He knows that he needs to find somewhere else to stay until I am ready to have him back in the house. This is because I dont want my DC to witness any tense atmospheres.

OP posts:
MrsLighthouse · 13/11/2021 18:34

Whatever happens DON’T let him gaslight you. 😟

Yummypumpkin · 13/11/2021 18:39

Hes shown you the text where he tells his friend you accused him of cheating??? You didn't accuse him of cheating, though???

marmalade32 · 13/11/2021 18:56

I think he's cheated. You know. You know you know. I suspected my partner of 2 years and he denied it. Made me feel stupid. He has. I'm devastated, but I just knew. It's everything you say. The little things. Only you know if you can get over it. Sending love

me4real · 13/11/2021 19:21

I think how receptive he is to this Thursday appointment will play a big part in my decision about our future. I am not going to tell him this because I want to make sure his reaction is authentic.

@Anon1244 Youu can't accurately tell anything from people's reactions, or liars wouldn't gett away with lying when caught out.

I agree with PP's- if he feels he has to admit anything at some point, it'll be the bare minimum to be plausible- for instance if they had penetrative sex he might say she 'just' gave him a BJ etc.

beastlyslumber · 13/11/2021 19:41

Don't marry him. Whatever you do. Don't marry this man.

Why would he tell his friend you accused him of cheating and why would his friend make a joke of it? Why would they both laugh about it? I'm sorry, that's not a plausible story. Unless he showed you the full conversation and it backed up this story, I wouldn't believe it.

OP, you already knew before you saw the picture. Don't let him mess with your head.

billy1966 · 13/11/2021 19:47

Listen to your gut OP.

You knew and you know.

Do not marry this man.
Flowers

girlmom21 · 13/11/2021 19:49

What was his explanation for the clothes washing and kicking off when you questioned him?

DDMAC · 13/11/2021 20:20

🤔I thought you didn’t ask him if he had cheated until after you spotted the picture though so that doesn’t add up am I wrong?

I remember when I was growing up a grown up saying to me, if a man you love makes you cry then he’s not the one for you. It has always stuck with me. I think you should postpone the wedding.
Sorry you’re going through this.

Yayaga · 13/11/2021 20:25

He would have to be quite horrible to share that you accused him of cheating? That's the sort of "live update" information that women tend to share with friends, but do men, as a general rule?

girlmom21 · 13/11/2021 20:29

@Yayaga

He would have to be quite horrible to share that you accused him of cheating? That's the sort of "live update" information that women tend to share with friends, but do men, as a general rule?
Men discuss it when they need someone to cover for them.