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I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.

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Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 13:23

I have been with my partner for 5 years and we have a 3 yo DC together (DP is a great Dad) and a wedding booked in the near future. Never until recently have I ever had reason do doubt his fidelity.

My DP went on a stag do a few months ago, not for him but a friend. It was 2 nights in Newcastle, it was booked through a stag do company (this is sort of relevant).

My DP came back from the stag do and told me all about it. One story stood out as weird in my head BUT did not make me feel suspicious at the time. He said that on one of the nights the booking company organised for 2 “bar girls” to take them on a bar crawl around Newcastle. He said at the end of the night he gave the girls £20 tip and so did his friend. However, another man at the party did not give them a tip and so one of the girls threw a drink in his face. For me something did not add up about this story as it seemed there was more to this story. However, I did not say anything at the time.

Then the very day he got home, he started washing all the clothes he took with him. I usually do the washing in the house and I felt this was very odd, as he is very much someone who would usually leave a bag unpacked for weeks. I felt it was odd, and I will admit that I started to feel suspicious in my head. When I commented about the washing and that it was strange, he was quite defensive and asked me if I was suggesting something. In fairness, looking back my tone was accusatory, I could have dealt with it better.

Then shortly after he came back he deleted all social media from his phone. So, whilst his Facebook profile was active, he would not receive any notifications or messages. When I asked him, he said he wanted to take a social media break. In the 5 years I have known him he has never done that, so it was out of character.

I found this suspicious and coupled with the other stuff I had this really overwhelming feeling that something was wrong. So I outright asked him if he cheated on my while he was away. Possibly not the best way to deal with things, I’ll admit. It turned into a massive argument, he was furious that I had accused him. Things have been frosty since.

Then Halloween evening we had carved pumpkins with DC and DP had taken some pictures of them with the candle in. I asked to see the pictures and he said he had sent them to his friend (from stag do) on Whatsapp and would show me. He was scrolling through the pictures on Whatsapp but accidentally went too far and I saw a picture for a split second. It was so quick because he realised what he had done and couldn't get the phone away quick enough, however I saw a few words but couldn't be sure.

I made out I didn't see anything and have carried on as normal. However, last night he left his phone on the side and I looked on the messages between him and his friend and found the image. His friend had sent him a mocked up image of a man wearing a sign saying “I cheated on my girlfriend in Newcastle and this is my punishment.” He had replied with a laughing face emoji. I felt really sick and hurt seeing that, my stomach just dropped.

I asked him to leave last night but I am not sure what to do. I really love this man. His attitude has not been great either. He said I need to calm down and I am overreacting. He said the image is a joke. He hasn't even apologised to me he properly, just a “Sorry if the image has offended you”.

He is making out that I have come to this conclusion out of my own insecurities. Do you think this is the case? The thing is I have never been insecure about my DP being unfaithful to me before. If you asked me 6 months ago if my DP would cheat on my I would have bet my house/car/everything that he would not have.

I just feel like I need someone from the outside to tell me if:

  1. I am justified in my suspicions
  2. I am being insecure and I am the one causing this rift between us.
OP posts:
Pascal80 · 14/11/2021 02:20

HI Anon,
I forgave someone in a situation very like this - a very long time ago. He never really admitted it and It took three more years for me to end the relationship. His behaviour got worse - like he got away it and therefore he lost respect for me. It was terrible and took a long time to get my self-respect back.

You sound lovely, and to be honest, he is clearly punching well above his weight with you. He fucked up. He's not very bright, he is easily led, alcohol and perhaps more led to poor impulse control, and he did something he knew he had to hide from you. Honestly, this is not a man who is marriage material - not at all. Let me guess - you aren't really from the same background or have much in common, but there was a big spark from the beginning and the relationship was built on that. I am just guessing. Clever men don't go on these ''stag dos''. It used to be a stag night the night before a wedding - the men of the family and a few friends would have a few drinks and play a joke on the groom to be, the ''stag'' - eg tie him to a lamp post or put him on a train to the wrong town. Now it is disgusting and sleazy event, away from the home town and going on for days, and weak men who are very drunk are extremely easily led.

You will be okay OP, you and your little one. No way is this man innocent - you can see that by the way he is not crying his eyes out, on his knees begging you to be believed. Instead he is cold and accusatory of you. It says it all x x x x x

WouldYouJust · 14/11/2021 03:13

My heart is aching for you but you are stronger and wiser than I was, I wish MN had been around back then. Your DC will be just fine if you leave him and so will you. I didn't and by staying I taught him how to treat me and I have suffered the consequences of that.

I'm projecting here but.......that knot I'm sure you probably have in your gut will come back every time he is late home and his excuse, even if true, doesn't sound convincing etc......once lost, trust seldom comes back 100%.

In my case he went on to do it again.

SallSall · 14/11/2021 03:43

Of course you will survive if you move on, you will have your dignity and you will show your children how relationships arnt meant to be. If he is a great father he can step up and be on when you are separated, but he wont be a great father if he gaslights you and cheats on you and your son/daughter sees this as what is normal and what they will then think is how relationships are. You need to think of your child as well - and not just now, but over the course of their childhood.

Megalameg · 14/11/2021 04:38

Sounds super weird and sus OP. A Rental girl to take men on pub crawls? I never heard of anything like that and it does sound like it’s some weird escorting type of thing to be honest.

This is way outside the normal bucks party thing of a stripper giving lap dances etc. and into the realm of cheating in my opinion.

Has he actually explained what the hell this girl was payed for?

ErrmWTAF · 14/11/2021 05:30

Just an idea, maybe the mystery of the washing clothes can be investigated by sniffing the bag they came out of? There's a far cry between perfume, cocktail, poop and vomit.

Lucycantdance · 14/11/2021 05:40

I’m so sorry OP. It does sound dodgy from what you’ve said. It’s the lying that does it isn’t it? If it was me I’d be investigating further to try and find out the truth. Is there any way you can do that?

If he has cheated, and it sounds like he has, you are well shot of him. There really are some decent men out there and thank god you’ve found out before you spend the rest of your life with him. Sending you love Flowers

hibye123 · 14/11/2021 06:24

Who makes an editied meme pic just because someone's partner accused them of cheating? This all sounds really fishy and I definitely think something's not right here, especially because of the pic sent by the friend! So sorry you're going through this

DBI78 · 14/11/2021 07:06

Definitely red flags based on what you said and his defensiveness isn't helping it implies something to hide. It seems like you believe something happened now you need to think about what next. Can you forgive? Do you want him back? It's so hard to know what to do for best but I agree his attitude and lack of respect are also a concern.

DBI78 · 14/11/2021 07:09

@Anon1244

I cant sleep.

My heart breaks for my 3yo, who will be absolutely devastated that their Dad isn't around as much. They are inseparable, DP may be a shitty partner but he is an attentive and loving father.

I feel selfish for not wanting to continue being in this relationship because it means my child is going to have the little world they know turned upside down. Do young children really cope better than older ones?

I’m scared, not because of having to support myself and DC, but having to start my life over. All the plans we made together, I only ever planned to have my DC due to my job, getting married, saving up while so we could move before DC started school. I feel like he has shit all over that, why plan a life with me to throw it away over something as stupid as this.

Ultimately, I know I need to leave because I will never trust him again. But it is a fucking scary thought and something that has been sprung on me.

It's better to be a happy single parent than a unhappy person in a couple. Children can absolutely cope with parents splitting as long as it's managed well. You can only be responsible for your side in that.
beastlyslumber · 14/11/2021 07:31

@mumtodogdaughterandhusband

Oh and also then bar girls were escorts 😂 bar girls 😂 what a prick ! Stags book slags for a reason
Sorry to go off on a slight tangent, but what a disgusting thing to say.

The women are not "slags" they're just young women trying to make a living. They are someone's daughter, sister, friend. Please try to have some compassion.

If anyone deserves to be insulted in this situation, it's the men who use these women, pay for sex, get women drunk and into bed while they're engaged to be married to someone else, and then call the women "slags".

beastlyslumber · 14/11/2021 07:32

OP I'm so sorry. You must be devastated.

You can't stay in a relationship where you're treated this way, though. It wouldn't be good for your DC either, to grow up seeing their mum ground down and struggling. There is a bright future for you - I know you can't see it yet, but there is xx

ZenNudist · 14/11/2021 07:37

Is he even sorry or scared he will lose you. I'd stop being sad for now and replace it with fury. How dare he do this and how dare he not be sorry but continue to lie.

Megalameg · 14/11/2021 07:47

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CaMePlaitPas · 14/11/2021 07:52

What is best for your child OP is to be in a household where they see their mother being treated with the respect and love she deserves. It completely baffles me as to why in 2021 stag dos like this are still a "thing" - it's wildly misogynistic and down right gross.

You deserve better.

EarringsandLipstick · 14/11/2021 07:52

@Megalameg

What an awful post. Reported

JSL52 · 14/11/2021 07:53

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No wonder women are still fighting for their rights with comments like that. Shame on you.
EarringsandLipstick · 14/11/2021 07:54

@beastlyslumber

OP I'm so sorry. You must be devastated.

You can't stay in a relationship where you're treated this way, though. It wouldn't be good for your DC either, to grow up seeing their mum ground down and struggling. There is a bright future for you - I know you can't see it yet, but there is xx

I agree 💯

Regardless of the specific truths, something is badly wrong & he's making a fool of you trying to deceive you. 💐

Whatdirection · 14/11/2021 08:07

Think very carefully about what you know. You know more than you think.

Your gut reacted to his ‘story’ about the bar girl and the tip.It didn’t add up.

He washed his clothes and deleted social media - totally out of character - to me this indicates hiding something. So he is not being honest.

When you asked him about this, he got you on the back foot by flipping your question back on you. You felt bad as you felt your tone was accusatory. So instead of him being honest - you get to doubt yourself.
This is not a healthy way to try and solve issues and you now know this is a tactic he will try when in a tight corner.

You asked him straight out - you had every right to. He turns it into a massive argument. Again making out you are the problem. This is nasty. Do you want this in your relationship?

Then we have the mocked up picture. Horrible. The fact he laughed at the picture is indefensible. He has rubbished your pain, your fear, your quite justified reaction to his out of character behavior.

Now he is beginning to see that he is in trouble. Unfortunately it is highly unlikely he will come clean or you will get a sanitized version of the truth.

My point is that just by looking at what you already know, he has revealed an extremely unpleasant, nasty side to him. A good husband will have the emotional understanding to ‘get’ that you had very good reason to be suspicious and would have moved heaven and earth to have reassured you.

Instead he flipped it round on you and tried to make out you were in the wrong.

I know what it is like to have the rug pulled out from under your feet. Unfortunately l never knew my husband was cheating on me on a series of drunken nights out (including a stag do). He decided to confess after 25 years of marriage as the guilt was too much for him to bear and he thought he had been a good husband all these years and l would forgive him.

I couldn’t get past the betrayal but unbelievably because l called time on our marriage he became the victim and managed to get a lot of people to feel sorry fo him. Incredible.

I believed for a long time he had always been a good Dad. But now l know that he let our boys down massively every time he went out, got drunk and lost control. He put their stability and happy home on the line every single time he did that.

Your partner has played Russian roulette with his relationship with you and your child by his behavior. This is all on him. You have done nothing wrong.

I get how scary it is to fully face the reality of your life now you have experienced this behavior from him. You don’t have to rush to make a decision. It is good he is out of the house - you need the thinking time and space to clear your head. Don’t be pressurized into letting him back.

The second he starts to make himself out to be a victim, l think you have your answer.

Xx

Rachie1973 · 14/11/2021 08:10

@Clementine183

Just putting it out there, but could it have been the friend who cheated? That picture sounds to me like it could be a self-mocking kind of thing...

That said, the other signs do sound suspicious I have to say.

That’s what I thought
Whatinthelord · 14/11/2021 08:11

The way you wrote the original post it really sounds like you do have some solid concerns. There’s several things he did out of character, the weird message from his friend and the way he flew into a rage when confronted….these things make me think you are spot on.

You don’t sound like a jealous partner making up suspicions, you sound like a very intuitive person picking up on the very real signs.

Whatinthelord · 14/11/2021 08:14

Be prepared for him to start with a partial, sanitised, confession ( it was just a kiss). Before gradually more coming out. That seems to be a common pattern in these types of situations.

Please take care of yourself op. Talk to a friend, ask for support.
Get finances in order as much as possible (eh secure any shared saving etc).

COPPER3 · 14/11/2021 08:16

Gut instincts are why we have them...it's to warn you of something that is not right! So trust it! He has done something he shouldn't and is as guilty as f**k.

DO NOT take on his guilt by letting him gaslight you.
Good luck darling. Keep strong..x

bofski14 · 14/11/2021 08:16

OP I know exactly where you are coming from. My ex put up a dating profile while he was working away from me and our one year old saying he was a doting single father (I literally had our child in my arms as I read it and we hadn't seen him for months). I didn't want to believe it but it was clearly him. The tone, the misspelled words, the odd location. I knew it in my heart it was him even with no photo and a fake name. When confronted he denied, denied, denied. Made me feel like I was paranoid and jealous. But he did finally crack and admit it weeks later.

If you go on to my past posts you'll see it as I posted here for advice and when I tried to justify his character with that fact that he was a good father, some wise Mumsnetter said to me that men who are good father's do not treat their child's mother like that.

I'm really sorry but it all sounds very suspicious and I suspect if you dig a little more, you'd find your answer. Well done on being financially stable. I wasn't when it happened to me but I made it. I raised my daughter by myself and showed her what is acceptable and not acceptable in relationships. You and your baby will be absolutely fine and I wish you all the luck in the world.

thedancingbear · 14/11/2021 08:33

You need to bin him OP.

Whatever he tells you now won't be the full truth. He's a disgusting slimeball.

thedancingbear · 14/11/2021 08:34

@mumtodogdaughterandhusband

Oh and also then bar girls were escorts 😂 bar girls 😂 what a prick ! Stags book slags for a reason
This post is fucking vile.
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