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I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.

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Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 13:23

I have been with my partner for 5 years and we have a 3 yo DC together (DP is a great Dad) and a wedding booked in the near future. Never until recently have I ever had reason do doubt his fidelity.

My DP went on a stag do a few months ago, not for him but a friend. It was 2 nights in Newcastle, it was booked through a stag do company (this is sort of relevant).

My DP came back from the stag do and told me all about it. One story stood out as weird in my head BUT did not make me feel suspicious at the time. He said that on one of the nights the booking company organised for 2 “bar girls” to take them on a bar crawl around Newcastle. He said at the end of the night he gave the girls £20 tip and so did his friend. However, another man at the party did not give them a tip and so one of the girls threw a drink in his face. For me something did not add up about this story as it seemed there was more to this story. However, I did not say anything at the time.

Then the very day he got home, he started washing all the clothes he took with him. I usually do the washing in the house and I felt this was very odd, as he is very much someone who would usually leave a bag unpacked for weeks. I felt it was odd, and I will admit that I started to feel suspicious in my head. When I commented about the washing and that it was strange, he was quite defensive and asked me if I was suggesting something. In fairness, looking back my tone was accusatory, I could have dealt with it better.

Then shortly after he came back he deleted all social media from his phone. So, whilst his Facebook profile was active, he would not receive any notifications or messages. When I asked him, he said he wanted to take a social media break. In the 5 years I have known him he has never done that, so it was out of character.

I found this suspicious and coupled with the other stuff I had this really overwhelming feeling that something was wrong. So I outright asked him if he cheated on my while he was away. Possibly not the best way to deal with things, I’ll admit. It turned into a massive argument, he was furious that I had accused him. Things have been frosty since.

Then Halloween evening we had carved pumpkins with DC and DP had taken some pictures of them with the candle in. I asked to see the pictures and he said he had sent them to his friend (from stag do) on Whatsapp and would show me. He was scrolling through the pictures on Whatsapp but accidentally went too far and I saw a picture for a split second. It was so quick because he realised what he had done and couldn't get the phone away quick enough, however I saw a few words but couldn't be sure.

I made out I didn't see anything and have carried on as normal. However, last night he left his phone on the side and I looked on the messages between him and his friend and found the image. His friend had sent him a mocked up image of a man wearing a sign saying “I cheated on my girlfriend in Newcastle and this is my punishment.” He had replied with a laughing face emoji. I felt really sick and hurt seeing that, my stomach just dropped.

I asked him to leave last night but I am not sure what to do. I really love this man. His attitude has not been great either. He said I need to calm down and I am overreacting. He said the image is a joke. He hasn't even apologised to me he properly, just a “Sorry if the image has offended you”.

He is making out that I have come to this conclusion out of my own insecurities. Do you think this is the case? The thing is I have never been insecure about my DP being unfaithful to me before. If you asked me 6 months ago if my DP would cheat on my I would have bet my house/car/everything that he would not have.

I just feel like I need someone from the outside to tell me if:

  1. I am justified in my suspicions
  2. I am being insecure and I am the one causing this rift between us.
OP posts:
Smiler79 · 13/11/2021 21:02

He’s still lying. I agree with a pp that said lull him into a false sense of security by saying he’s gone one chance to tell you the truth and you will accept that sometimes things happen blah blah but right now you know he’s lying and it’s over as you can’t stand liars. Counselling is pointless if he’s still lying to you which he obviously is

Kittykat93 · 13/11/2021 21:12

So he's wormed his way out of it then? He's cheated op. Why did he wash his clothes straight away? Why delete all social media? Where was the message of him telling his mate you'd accused him of cheating ? Also the ones who get defensive are always the guilty ones. Been there, done that.

user1471442488 · 13/11/2021 21:49

He cheated. You know it.

Are you going to actually do anything about it? Or just be “relieved” when he eventually admits it.

Frankola · 13/11/2021 22:20

Trust your instincts. There are red flags all over your post.

All of those things put together, and the timing. In my eyes its clear your boyfriend has been unfaithful.

I wouldnt allow him in the house until he told the truth though. He's lying and taking the piss out of you

category12 · 13/11/2021 22:39

I’m also hoping they could counsel me on how to deal with these situations better
What situations, discovering your partner's cheated on you and is using DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse victim & offender) on you?

mumtodogdaughterandhusband · 13/11/2021 22:49

Op I'm sorry but he 100 percent cheated on you . My friend went away and cheated . She deactivedsocial
Media just in case one of the men found her on Facebook and seen she was in a relationship and message her fiancé . Also was worried about being tagged in any photos . My ex cheated on me when he went away and never ever washed his clothes but did when he got home because of tmi spunk makes and perfume smell . , people only get defensive when they are in the wrong and don't apologise either . What you want to do and I know it's sky but this is how I caught my ex out . I wrote on his group chat shit I think she knows about me cheating ! And see what they reply

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mumtodogdaughterandhusband · 13/11/2021 23:01

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OP you sounds really passive in your replies and more worried about what people think of you rather than if he’s stuck his bits in another girl. There are no awards for being “cool”. This is your life. Think of what he’s done. Truly think. He got his penis out and either let another woman suck it or stuck it in her. It’s disgusting but that’s the truth. When this happened to a friend of mine (she found stuff on his phone) she didn’t give a shiny shit what other people thought or if she came across as possessive or obsessive or angry. She was mad as hell. And too right too. Own it. She went and knocked this girls door down late at night and demanded to see her husband and ranted at the both of them until the truth came out. So at the same time she got her answers, she proved she’s nobody’s dogs dinner and she informed the husband. Boom. Job done. Years later with another partner and happy she’s very glad she did. Don’t be a doormat. Get angry. You don’t have to excuse yourself to anyone. I’d be ringing that mates wife up and telling her what’s happened, you think they’ve both been at it and let him joke at those apples. Maybe she’ll have more luck getting the truth out. Be a volcano and burn rather than be burnt
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Marthathefrog · 13/11/2021 23:04

Op ask him to reactivate his social media. If he has cheated he will freak if not then what he is saying is true. Im sorry but i know from experience. I hope you can get the truth

mumtodogdaughterandhusband · 13/11/2021 23:06

Iv just read more of your update and your being so stupid , once he knows he has got away with it he will do it again and again and you will be one of them women who will
Keep having kids with him because you just want this perfect family . Leave him op . And I'm seeming rude because I do not want you to go though what I did . I know what your feeling and it's ruined me 15 years on . I have pushed one of the kindest man I have ever met away because of how damaged I was and I am still having therapy now .

Ging7878 · 13/11/2021 23:06

I have read the entire thread OP. Please take it from me, who is you 5 years on, if you don't listen to your gut now. He cheated. Everything is pointing to that. If it were a close friend who was telling you this, you would say the same thing. Splitting with a 3 year old, in my opinion, is much easier than splitting when they are older with much more understanding. Please don't listen to the bull shit like I did. It was also this time of year for me too when you think, "oh but I can't ruin Christmas for DC % other people". My biggest regret. End it.

Heartofglass12345 · 13/11/2021 23:10

It comes to something when a man doing his own washing is out of the ordinary!
It sounds suspicious to me Sad

Morgoth · 13/11/2021 23:15

If there’s one thing I am certain of in life become more certain of the older I get, it’s always ALWAYS trust your instinct.

BuildingBlocks1 · 13/11/2021 23:18

I'm so sorry, you didn't ask for this. But if this were your best friend, what would you be saying to them?

You know he's cheated. He should have the balls to tell you. It's so easy to sit & type this but please do not marry him. You are far too good for him. You will now also have doubt forever in your mind whether he admits it or not. Sending hugs x

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 13/11/2021 23:22

So he laughed about you accusing him of cheating and they sent memes about it. And that's the better of the two possible explanations.

This doesn't explain him washing his clothes and deleting social media both for the first time ever.

OP I'm sorry but everything points to him cheating. You know this deep down.

I'd cancel the counselling. He is not going to admit there that he cheated. He will say whatever is plausible enough to sound like it could be the truth and whatever he thinks you want to hear. It's so sad you've said "I’m also hoping they could counsel me on how to deal with these situations better." You can't deal with someone that's mean to love and respect you treating you like absolute shit, any better than you are. There is no 'good' way to deal with this. You can't make it better. Sorry I know you're looking for answers but i don't think you're going to find them there especially if he wont be honest

gloriousgordons · 13/11/2021 23:26

Trying to move past this, whilst you know he is still lying, isn't going to work?

I know you are getting married and you have a child together and I appreciate it's a heartbreaking situation to be in. But he fucked another woman on a stag do and he's having banter with his mates about it over WhatsApp, the guy is not deserving of anymore of your love or affection, he's a scumbag.

WonderfulYou · 13/11/2021 23:52

He would have to be quite horrible to share that you accused him of cheating? That's the sort of "live update" information that women tend to share with friends, but do men, as a general rule?

So it’s horrible if a man speaks to his friend about his relationship issues but not if a female does it?

Of course he can speak to his friends about his relationship. It’s good to get an outsiders perspective on things and I often talk to my friends about things.
So I don’t think he’s done anything wrong if he’s telling the truth that this is what happened.

However I’m not sure if couples therapy is going to solve this issue.
I hope it either gets him to admit things or you to believe him but I feel like he’s going to keep denying it and you’re going to keep being insecure about it.

Onthedunes · 13/11/2021 23:56

You so desperately want to believe him, to gaslight yourself so as to put the pain behind you.

Many women do and give a second chance but he has destroyed that innocence in your relationship for what ? a story to tell on a weekend away.

He sounds dull and beneath you op.
Whatever happens, your eyes have been opened now.

Take whatever opportunities come your way now in your life, put yourself first.

x

Onthedunes · 14/11/2021 00:05

@WonderfulYou

He would have to be quite horrible to share that you accused him of cheating? That's the sort of "live update" information that women tend to share with friends, but do men, as a general rule?

So it’s horrible if a man speaks to his friend about his relationship issues but not if a female does it?

Of course he can speak to his friends about his relationship. It’s good to get an outsiders perspective on things and I often talk to my friends about things.
So I don’t think he’s done anything wrong if he’s telling the truth that this is what happened.

However I’m not sure if couples therapy is going to solve this issue.
I hope it either gets him to admit things or you to believe him but I feel like he’s going to keep denying it and you’re going to keep being insecure about it.

But these were the male friends he was with whilst allegedly cheating.

He was mocking her, humiliating her and her pain. He certainly wasn't taking council because he was in pain, he was bragging about the situation and his ability to gaslight, lie and manipulate the situation to cover up his betrayal.

She was the brunt of his joke.

Yeah, really supportive that, the man's a twat with absolutly no loyalty to his partner.
He's basically saying his friends deserve the truth but she doesn't.

I detest men like this, herded sheep screwing randoms in nightclubs and bragging about the cover up.

What jolly japes.
Op you really are too good for this type of neanderthal man.

SallSall · 14/11/2021 00:14

At minimum, he sent a laughing emoji back to his friend when the picture of him mocked up saying he cheated was sent to him..... to me I couldn't give a rats at that stage - he and his friends are laughing at you - that is not on, that is not him confiding in a friend about a possible misunderstanding given the events that transpired, that is horrid behaviour which shows what these 'men' think of their partners when no-one is watching..... leave him and be strong, get angry and move on.... cheating or not, there is no respect for him or his friends for you or your relationship or relationships in general. What happens next time they go out and get drunk ?

SallSall · 14/11/2021 00:15

I was going to add, trust yourself and I am so sorry, be strong and you deserve the best.

Ema52 · 14/11/2021 00:45

Oh dear you're ignoring it.
OP you are in for a very long painful journey do you really want to waste years of your life on a cheat

Anon1244 · 14/11/2021 01:48

I cant sleep.

My heart breaks for my 3yo, who will be absolutely devastated that their Dad isn't around as much. They are inseparable, DP may be a shitty partner but he is an attentive and loving father.

I feel selfish for not wanting to continue being in this relationship because it means my child is going to have the little world they know turned upside down. Do young children really cope better than older ones?

I’m scared, not because of having to support myself and DC, but having to start my life over. All the plans we made together, I only ever planned to have my DC due to my job, getting married, saving up while so we could move before DC started school. I feel like he has shit all over that, why plan a life with me to throw it away over something as stupid as this.

Ultimately, I know I need to leave because I will never trust him again. But it is a fucking scary thought and something that has been sprung on me.

OP posts:
Onthedunes · 14/11/2021 02:09

He did shit on that, whether he will learn from it is anyones guess.

He may do it again, he may not.

Do you want to live like that, you sound lovely and deserve someone who has more integrity.

He's shown you that you are better than him, you could find someone who loves and treats you with respect.
There is nothing stopping you from looking now.
You owe him nothing.

MimiDaisy11 · 14/11/2021 02:13

Sorry you’re going through this. It’s tough especially as you say this has been sprung on you.

Also you’re not selfish. He’s the one who caused the cracks in the relationship. And your child will probably adapt much better than you think. It does seem to be true that younger kids adapt better to splits.

Be strong 💐