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I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.

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Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 13:23

I have been with my partner for 5 years and we have a 3 yo DC together (DP is a great Dad) and a wedding booked in the near future. Never until recently have I ever had reason do doubt his fidelity.

My DP went on a stag do a few months ago, not for him but a friend. It was 2 nights in Newcastle, it was booked through a stag do company (this is sort of relevant).

My DP came back from the stag do and told me all about it. One story stood out as weird in my head BUT did not make me feel suspicious at the time. He said that on one of the nights the booking company organised for 2 “bar girls” to take them on a bar crawl around Newcastle. He said at the end of the night he gave the girls £20 tip and so did his friend. However, another man at the party did not give them a tip and so one of the girls threw a drink in his face. For me something did not add up about this story as it seemed there was more to this story. However, I did not say anything at the time.

Then the very day he got home, he started washing all the clothes he took with him. I usually do the washing in the house and I felt this was very odd, as he is very much someone who would usually leave a bag unpacked for weeks. I felt it was odd, and I will admit that I started to feel suspicious in my head. When I commented about the washing and that it was strange, he was quite defensive and asked me if I was suggesting something. In fairness, looking back my tone was accusatory, I could have dealt with it better.

Then shortly after he came back he deleted all social media from his phone. So, whilst his Facebook profile was active, he would not receive any notifications or messages. When I asked him, he said he wanted to take a social media break. In the 5 years I have known him he has never done that, so it was out of character.

I found this suspicious and coupled with the other stuff I had this really overwhelming feeling that something was wrong. So I outright asked him if he cheated on my while he was away. Possibly not the best way to deal with things, I’ll admit. It turned into a massive argument, he was furious that I had accused him. Things have been frosty since.

Then Halloween evening we had carved pumpkins with DC and DP had taken some pictures of them with the candle in. I asked to see the pictures and he said he had sent them to his friend (from stag do) on Whatsapp and would show me. He was scrolling through the pictures on Whatsapp but accidentally went too far and I saw a picture for a split second. It was so quick because he realised what he had done and couldn't get the phone away quick enough, however I saw a few words but couldn't be sure.

I made out I didn't see anything and have carried on as normal. However, last night he left his phone on the side and I looked on the messages between him and his friend and found the image. His friend had sent him a mocked up image of a man wearing a sign saying “I cheated on my girlfriend in Newcastle and this is my punishment.” He had replied with a laughing face emoji. I felt really sick and hurt seeing that, my stomach just dropped.

I asked him to leave last night but I am not sure what to do. I really love this man. His attitude has not been great either. He said I need to calm down and I am overreacting. He said the image is a joke. He hasn't even apologised to me he properly, just a “Sorry if the image has offended you”.

He is making out that I have come to this conclusion out of my own insecurities. Do you think this is the case? The thing is I have never been insecure about my DP being unfaithful to me before. If you asked me 6 months ago if my DP would cheat on my I would have bet my house/car/everything that he would not have.

I just feel like I need someone from the outside to tell me if:

  1. I am justified in my suspicions
  2. I am being insecure and I am the one causing this rift between us.
OP posts:
SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 15:00

[quote Bookworm20]@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

Is it all just innocent taking them from bar to bar? Or are other services offered at the discretion of the girl/company?
I've genuinely never heard of this. But the drink in the face thing just sounds off if they are hired professionals just to guide from pub to pub. Something must have happened surely other than just a refusal to give a 'tip'[/quote]
It's like a tour guide sort of thing. They take them to a set number of bars depending on what the group are after, they usually get a couple of drinks tokens per bar or a reserved table or something in each place and VIP entry to a nightclub.

I've also worked in a number of bars and clubs and these sort of pre-arranged bar crawls are really normal. I've even been on one in Krakow. Honestly it's just a local person showing people around who probably don't know the area or don't know it very well.

Fluffycloudland77 · 12/11/2021 15:00

It’s pretty obvious something happened up there isn’t it? My dh doesn’t come in from night outs and delete all his social media. Neither do I.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 12/11/2021 15:00

While you can't know for sure (yet), I think it's entirely reasonable to think he might have cheated given the list of odd things that have happened. As such, he's being really off to accuse you of being paranoid. A more reasonable approach would be to say 'ok, I can see why it looks a bit suss, let me explain it and reassure you'. He hasn't done this. I think you deserve better than that.

JollyJoon · 12/11/2021 15:01

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea
"Finish with free nightclub entry"

So the girls (sorry "beer wenches ") get them into the club and then clock off. Makes perfect sense as you wouldnt want to be dealing with a large group of trashed men after midnight.

Laiste · 12/11/2021 15:01

Branleuse absolutely! If DH was upset/angry or worried about me being unfaithful i'd walk over broken glass to show him/convince him it wasn't true! Why would your first reaction be defensive anger? Answer: guilty conscience.
Sorry OP.

nomorefrogs · 12/11/2021 15:01

These are photos from the website that show what the beer wenches do......

I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.
I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.
I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.
Bookworm20 · 12/11/2021 15:02
That is so grim. And so fucking depressing. I mean, Really? Celebrate your undying love and respect to your fiancee who you want to spend the rest of your life with by doing that?
Zilla1 · 12/11/2021 15:03

I'm sorry, OP. Good luck.

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Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 15:03

Sorry just to clarify about the picture as I think I explained it badly. It was a stock image of a man wearing a big sign standing in the street. DP’s friend had superimposed my partner’s face on the image so it looked like it was him. Then edited the text on the bored to say “I cheated on my girlfriend in Newcastle and this is my punishment.” I think it might be a copy of a meme online?

I did not go through any more messages on his phone once I saw that because 1. What I had seen had upset me 2. Honestly, it did not feel right to snoop on his phone, I know that is ridiculous.

The friend is whose stag it was and so is a newlywed. I am not keen on contacting him or his wife as I don't want to unnecessarily upset her. Also worried as coming across slightly like an obsessed and possessive girlfriend.

I dont want people to think I am suggesting the bar girls were escorts. I have considered that perhaps the party (including DP) had got a bit “handsy” with them (totally unacceptable) and they just put up with it expecting a big tip at the end.

In an ideal world I would want my relationship to work and perhaps I could suggest relationship counselling to him. However, in my heart, if I knew he had cheated on my I do not know how I could ever trust him again. I dont see how someone could live their life happily like that.

OP posts:
nomorefrogs · 12/11/2021 15:04

Also OP the same website lists the top clubs in Newcastle (which presumably are the ones they take you to) so looking on their social media would be easy!

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 15:04

[quote JollyJoon]@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea
"Finish with free nightclub entry"

So the girls (sorry "beer wenches ") get them into the club and then clock off. Makes perfect sense as you wouldnt want to be dealing with a large group of trashed men after midnight.[/quote]
Yeah they usually go with them to the club and then leave them. It's rare for them to stay around after, or stay in the same club where the group are as, tbh, the group (or a member of two of it) will probably think they've got a chance with one of these lasses who has been being nice to them all night.

Appledrop · 12/11/2021 15:04

If you are planning on having a search around on social media for any more proof, be sure not to use your own account just incase your OH and his mates have you blocked. Set up a new account or see if you can use a friends.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/11/2021 15:05

@Bookworm20
I agree. My DH never did a stag do, I never did a hen do because the whole point of them seems to be to try and destroy a marriage before it’s even begun.

Laiste · 12/11/2021 15:06

Thing is, he's eagerly told OP about the 'bar girls' so that any pics that surface of him with a woman can be passed off as 'one of those bar girls'.

If he's cheated it probably wasn't one of them. Did they get any lap dances in clubs at all? It could be that. ''Lads'' would love to rib each other afterwards about 'cheating' to do with that i would think.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 15:07

@nomorefrogs

Also OP the same website lists the top clubs in Newcastle (which presumably are the ones they take you to) so looking on their social media would be easy!
Actually, that's not a bad shout. Loads of bars have photographers like I Am VIP who take pictures of bar goers and they can get a keyring or something. Even some of the newspaper photographers are out and about so you can often find pictures from the Chronical or from looking at the pictures uploaded by I Am VIP on the bars facebook page.
AnAutumnAfternoon · 12/11/2021 15:08

Looks like he has cheated OP, and I am so sorry you are going through this. Looking on the bright side though, heartbreaking as it is, you learned who he really is before marriage and not after.

Bookworm20 · 12/11/2021 15:09

I'm so sorry OP. The fact your DH's face was superimposed on the picture pretty much sums it up. Why would someone go to all that bother to photoshop an image like that and send it to them unless it wasn't true. And his laughing reaction to it.

I don't think I could come back from that. You must be devastated and seeing that image and his reaction. Please talk to someone in real life who can support you.

nomorefrogs · 12/11/2021 15:12

Ahh superimposing his head definitely points the finger at your other half. Sorry op I think he probably cheated. Can you forgive and forget?

Rainbowheart1 · 12/11/2021 15:12

He cheated, you know it, he knows it, he just thinks there’s a chance you still don’t know it…but you do really.

nocnoc · 12/11/2021 15:13

OP you sounds really passive in your replies and more worried about what people think of you rather than if he’s stuck his bits in another girl. There are no awards for being “cool”. This is your life. Think of what he’s done. Truly think. He got his penis out and either let another woman suck it or stuck it in her. It’s disgusting but that’s the truth. When this happened to a friend of mine (she found stuff on his phone) she didn’t give a shiny shit what other people thought or if she came across as possessive or obsessive or angry. She was mad as hell. And too right too. Own it. She went and knocked this girls door down late at night and demanded to see her husband and ranted at the both of them until the truth came out. So at the same time she got her answers, she proved she’s nobody’s dogs dinner and she informed the husband. Boom. Job done. Years later with another partner and happy she’s very glad she did. Don’t be a doormat. Get angry. You don’t have to excuse yourself to anyone. I’d be ringing that mates wife up and telling her what’s happened, you think they’ve both been at it and let him joke at those apples. Maybe she’ll have more luck getting the truth out. Be a volcano and burn rather than be burnt

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 15:13

@Bookworm20

I'm so sorry OP. The fact your DH's face was superimposed on the picture pretty much sums it up. Why would someone go to all that bother to photoshop an image like that and send it to them unless it wasn't true. And his laughing reaction to it.

I don't think I could come back from that. You must be devastated and seeing that image and his reaction. Please talk to someone in real life who can support you.

I missed the bit about his face being superimposed.

OP it definitely sounds like something happened. Whether it was shagging or kissing, he washed his clothes (guilty conscience) and that picture would be enough evidence for me!

As to what you do about it...I don't know!

You need to speak with your DP and tell him that he has one chance of coming clean. If he doesn't take it and you find out at a later date, there will be no discussion, no pleading and no forgiveness, the marriage would be over. If he comes clean now, there is at least a chance of moving forward together (even if it is a small one).

If he gets away with doing this now and isn't remorseful, he will definitely do it again.

I agree about getting yourself checked out at the Drs just to be on the safe side.

Yoyo007 · 12/11/2021 15:15

The message between the friend is not a joke in my opinion. Who even jokes about that?! It all sounds very suspicious. We get a 'gut feeling' for a reason and we need to trust it. I appreciate you might have sounded accusatory which is never the right way to approach things, however there isn't smoke without fire. It doesn't sound like you're an overly suspicious person normally or have trust issues so I would trust your gut on this one...sorry op.

nocnoc · 12/11/2021 15:15

Oh and don’t think people don’t know and don’t talk. At least give them something to talk about that you’re a goddam bad ass who won’t be treated like scum. I’d rather that legacy to be honest

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 15:16

I suppose best case scenario from everything you've said is he flirted hard with the 'Bar Girls' and was knocked back, got pissed and was sick on himself or wet himself or something, which he was very embarrassed about and didn't want you to know, hence washing his clothes the moment he got home.
That would explain the picture and the washing, possibly some cringy social media pics etc.

Moonface123 · 12/11/2021 15:17

Yes, you should be suspicious.
Truth does not mind being questioned,where as a lie does not like being challenged.
There's a reason. he became defensive.

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