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I want to believe my DP but I have doubts.

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Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 13:23

I have been with my partner for 5 years and we have a 3 yo DC together (DP is a great Dad) and a wedding booked in the near future. Never until recently have I ever had reason do doubt his fidelity.

My DP went on a stag do a few months ago, not for him but a friend. It was 2 nights in Newcastle, it was booked through a stag do company (this is sort of relevant).

My DP came back from the stag do and told me all about it. One story stood out as weird in my head BUT did not make me feel suspicious at the time. He said that on one of the nights the booking company organised for 2 “bar girls” to take them on a bar crawl around Newcastle. He said at the end of the night he gave the girls £20 tip and so did his friend. However, another man at the party did not give them a tip and so one of the girls threw a drink in his face. For me something did not add up about this story as it seemed there was more to this story. However, I did not say anything at the time.

Then the very day he got home, he started washing all the clothes he took with him. I usually do the washing in the house and I felt this was very odd, as he is very much someone who would usually leave a bag unpacked for weeks. I felt it was odd, and I will admit that I started to feel suspicious in my head. When I commented about the washing and that it was strange, he was quite defensive and asked me if I was suggesting something. In fairness, looking back my tone was accusatory, I could have dealt with it better.

Then shortly after he came back he deleted all social media from his phone. So, whilst his Facebook profile was active, he would not receive any notifications or messages. When I asked him, he said he wanted to take a social media break. In the 5 years I have known him he has never done that, so it was out of character.

I found this suspicious and coupled with the other stuff I had this really overwhelming feeling that something was wrong. So I outright asked him if he cheated on my while he was away. Possibly not the best way to deal with things, I’ll admit. It turned into a massive argument, he was furious that I had accused him. Things have been frosty since.

Then Halloween evening we had carved pumpkins with DC and DP had taken some pictures of them with the candle in. I asked to see the pictures and he said he had sent them to his friend (from stag do) on Whatsapp and would show me. He was scrolling through the pictures on Whatsapp but accidentally went too far and I saw a picture for a split second. It was so quick because he realised what he had done and couldn't get the phone away quick enough, however I saw a few words but couldn't be sure.

I made out I didn't see anything and have carried on as normal. However, last night he left his phone on the side and I looked on the messages between him and his friend and found the image. His friend had sent him a mocked up image of a man wearing a sign saying “I cheated on my girlfriend in Newcastle and this is my punishment.” He had replied with a laughing face emoji. I felt really sick and hurt seeing that, my stomach just dropped.

I asked him to leave last night but I am not sure what to do. I really love this man. His attitude has not been great either. He said I need to calm down and I am overreacting. He said the image is a joke. He hasn't even apologised to me he properly, just a “Sorry if the image has offended you”.

He is making out that I have come to this conclusion out of my own insecurities. Do you think this is the case? The thing is I have never been insecure about my DP being unfaithful to me before. If you asked me 6 months ago if my DP would cheat on my I would have bet my house/car/everything that he would not have.

I just feel like I need someone from the outside to tell me if:

  1. I am justified in my suspicions
  2. I am being insecure and I am the one causing this rift between us.
OP posts:
lurker69 · 12/11/2021 14:27

The washing of clothes i would possibly let slide, i have know people to get in some right states and there has been leakage from tops, fronts and bottoms.. so at a stretch maybe he had soiled his clothes and was embarrassed but the rest of it screams he did something wrong! I guess the picture could have been about the sender cheating maybe at a very hard push? but i would go with your gut and if its saying he cheated chances are he has. Sorry your having a shit time.

Anon1244 · 12/11/2021 14:30

You all do not understand the relief I feel getting this off my chest. All day I have had this lump in my throat, I have never felt so hopeless in my life.
@kitty1993 thank you for sharing that, I am so sorry that you went through that.
@nocnoc - I really do not want to speak to
him, he was the one that sent the image as a “joke” (or so claimed). I don't want him to have the satisfaction of knowing how hurt I am.
@BornInAThunderstorm the joking is what has hurt me the most. More than if he has cheated, as this is man who is meant to love me.
I am not sure how to tag people but hope it worked…

OP posts:
Smiler79 · 12/11/2021 14:34

This would have all my alarm bells ringing , it’s his reaction as much as anything. I definitely think he did something.

Bookworm20 · 12/11/2021 14:34

The thing about the bar girls sounds odd. is that a thing? For 2 women to be hored to take a bunch of drunk blokes on a pub crawl? And the drink in the face thing. I'd think that didn't add up either. Perhaps he told you about the 'bar girls' in case any pictures cropped up showing these 2 women. But I highly suspect they were escorts of some kind and the drink in the face was because one of them either wouldn't pay her the 'tip' after getting his little treat or he was out of order with her physically and it was to get him to back off.

Washing clothes. If he never does it. Seriously dodgy. What the hell was on them though?

And social media, was probably so he couldn't be tagged in anything incriminating as I imagine if he was cheating there would definitely be pictures taken by his mates. They all probably cheated for all you know.

Laughing at the picture sent to him is just crass. What an immature dick.

Trouble is you have no proof. Can you get back onto his social media? Or find out who was on the stag do and see if any pictures have been posted, one of them might not have their account set to private.

I think at a minimum, he should let you look through his phone. Like you say its not just one thing. Its a few things, that added together point to one thing. The fact he isn't moving mountains to prove his innocence when faced with all this speaks volumes. he's trying to make you feel like your overreacting. You are not.

girlmom21 · 12/11/2021 14:36

But I highly suspect they were escorts of some kind and the drink in the face was because one of them either wouldn't pay her the 'tip' after getting his little treat or he was out of order with her physically and it was to get him to back off.

Escorts don't charge £20 for a nights work, surely?

NellieBertram · 12/11/2021 14:39

I would tell him that you don't want to split up, you want to work through it but to do that you need full disclosure.

You need to see his phone and social media and he needs to tell you exactly what happened.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/11/2021 14:42

@girlmom21

But I highly suspect they were escorts of some kind and the drink in the face was because one of them either wouldn't pay her the 'tip' after getting his little treat or he was out of order with her physically and it was to get him to back off.

Escorts don't charge £20 for a nights work, surely?

No, but again, the OP said the stag do was paid for through a company and the company had arranged for the bar girl escorts on the one night. So they’d been paid for..although escort services do not usually include sex because pimping/madaming is illegal in U.K. Sex has to be sold individual to individual. So if you want sex with an escort, you negotiate and pay for that separately to the girl as “tips”. The £20s were tips. And often a £20 tip corresponds to a blow or hand job.
1forAll74 · 12/11/2021 14:45

You seem to be over thinking everything here, the snooping on phones, and endless questions about his weekend away, are making you paranoid. Stag does are notorious for men away,having fun, it doesn't mean all the people go off the rails, in the ways you think they do..

Photo's taken at these events, are usually taken when everyone is drunk or whatever, and not a true indication of how things were really.

JollyJoon · 12/11/2021 14:46

@PlanDeRaccordement

So do you think this stag do company has these girls working for them? Or is it more likely the stag company hires girls from a separate company? Because if it's the former it should be easy to find out what "services" might be included

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 14:46

@halloweenqwueeeen

Do you know the name of the company and the bars they went to? I would go through SM looking at the Facebook pages and insta hashtags for the weekend and see what you can find.

Sounds highly likely something had happened. Always trust your gut Flowers

The company won't give out details of booking. My DH runs a similar sort of events company.

If it's any consolation, the girls will be fully vetted before hand and would be dropped if they were caught shagging any of the customers.

girlmom21 · 12/11/2021 14:51

@PlanDeRaccordement I think that's a massive leap to be honest. No legitimate company would arrange that.

halloweenqwueeeen · 12/11/2021 14:51

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea but he may have mentioned what bars they went to. Or OP could email or get a male friend to call the company to see what the stag do in Newcastle package entails that may give her a few pointers. I’m sure they’d be willing to give out details to perspective customers.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 14:53

[quote JollyJoon]@PlanDeRaccordement

So do you think this stag do company has these girls working for them? Or is it more likely the stag company hires girls from a separate company? Because if it's the former it should be easy to find out what "services" might be included[/quote]
Stag companies don't have their own staff in the cities. They are essentially an agent who work with city based suppliers. Most work across the whole of the UK so, for example, they'll work with lots of chain bar and restaurants (eg Slug & Lettuce, Revolutions etc), or regional based activity companies (nude drawings, garter making, silly soccer etc).

Considering most event agencies have been through the shitter this past year and a bit, they aren't going to risk anything by doing anything illegal. The 'Bar Girls' will either run their own or work for a local company. The company will be vetted by the agents who sold it as part of the package.

If there was anything dodgy going on, the agents would drop them in a second. They would take it very seriously if they could be connected to prostitution in anyway.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/11/2021 14:53

[quote JollyJoon]@PlanDeRaccordement

So do you think this stag do company has these girls working for them? Or is it more likely the stag company hires girls from a separate company? Because if it's the former it should be easy to find out what "services" might be included[/quote]
I don’t know. I think they could have been hired direct by stag do company or hired via an escort service that stag do company requests girls from. The services included would always be recorded as simply escorting and no sex otherwise it’s illegal. The sex bit is always done on cash basis by the girl while out on the job with the clients. The girl may owe a cut of her “tips” back to her employer- the stag do company or escort service as that is usual for there to be a kickback from the girl as she gets more jobs than if she were independent escort.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 14:54

[quote halloweenqwueeeen]@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea but he may have mentioned what bars they went to. Or OP could email or get a male friend to call the company to see what the stag do in Newcastle package entails that may give her a few pointers. I’m sure they’d be willing to give out details to perspective customers.[/quote]
You can google that and find out pretty easily. Most have 'build your own' packages on their websites.

Skeumorph · 12/11/2021 14:55

Yes I think it seems pretty obvious that he cheated.

The washing clothes is the biggest flag really - in practice even if he did cheat it's unlikely that his clothes would give anything away but it's a mark of panic and paranoia - must get rid of any evidence, any smells, any stains (bleurgh), any lipstick.

Coming off social media = lying low, afraid that someone will tag him in something and someone will see it which will link back to you. Pretty bloody obvious. Or even afraid of banter, references... total guilt move.

The laughing about it is utterly unforgivable as it shows that he isn't remorseful about actually cheating. Getting caught, yes. Cheating - arf arf what happens on tour etc. Vom.

Please don't marry him under these circumstances. The signs unfortunately point to this one not being a keeper.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 12/11/2021 14:55

www.funktionevents.co.uk/beer-babes-bar-crawl-stag-do-newcastle

As an example

Bookworm20 · 12/11/2021 14:55

@SliceOfCakeCupOfTea

Is it all just innocent taking them from bar to bar? Or are other services offered at the discretion of the girl/company?
I've genuinely never heard of this. But the drink in the face thing just sounds off if they are hired professionals just to guide from pub to pub. Something must have happened surely other than just a refusal to give a 'tip'

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/11/2021 14:57

Considering most event agencies have been through the shitter this past year and a bit, they aren't going to risk anything by doing anything illegal.

Exactly. There will be no paper trail saying sex can be bought. Not “premium” or “VIP” service charge or like. It’s always under the table girl to client in cash. That way company can deny any knowledge and show all documentation that the girls are just escorts, not prostitutes. But everyone knows what goes on under the table.

girlmom21 · 12/11/2021 14:57

@Bookworm20 the company itself will be legitimate and innocent.

They'll never advertise that the girls will exchange sexual acts for 'tips'.

If the company were endorsing that they could even insist the tips went through the companies

If the girls are offering sexual favours for extra, it's probably completely unrelated to the company.

JollyJoon · 12/11/2021 14:57

In fairness these bar girls are a bit of a red herring. More likely they clocked off at midnight or whatever and the guys moved on alone to a club.

MrMrsJones · 12/11/2021 14:58
Fucking hell, that's grim...

Hire some totty to take you round the bars 🤢 vom

JollyJoon · 12/11/2021 14:58

I also think that given how open he was about telling OP about the bar girls and tipping them, it's unlikely that if he did cheat, it was with one of them

Laiste · 12/11/2021 14:58

This:

JollyJoon - ''Just lull him into a false sense of security bu sitting him down and being really gentle and saying "look it was a stag do, it's a complete one off and special circumstances, I'm not going to go ape shit. But I do need you to tell me what happened, I need you to be honest or I wont be able.to move on".''

I think it's the only way you'll get the truth.

Then it's up to you what to do with it Flowers

Branleuse · 12/11/2021 14:59

Im pretty sure all of those things combined would set anyones spidey senses off. Hes taking you for an idiot. Also wtf is he being angry with you for suspecting him. Way to deflect. Its clearly suspicious

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