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Not in inviting friend (with no family) at Xmas VS DP

191 replies

GuiltyFeelingsBothSides · 06/11/2021 10:27

Apologies if this is long, I have no idea what to do.

My best friend has no family that she speaks to due to childhood trauma. When we met she had just moved from one area of the country to here and knew noone (this was Jan) by Xmas we were very good friends and I invited her to stay for Xmas.
We don't have a spare romm so she stayed on the couch which was a bit rough with all the gifts etc but was fine.

Next and subsequent years was the same situation, she has a lot of MH issues so didn't make new friends.

So basically for the last 5 years she's had Xmas at ours (staying 3/4 days)

Last year however she was in a really bad place mentally and put a real dampener on the whole thing, even shouting at the kids and spending the evening in my room.

So this year DH has said he doesn't want her to come. He has been so wonderful and accommodating previously but after last year he just wants a quiet family Christmas, which I completely understand.

But this means friend will be 100% alone all Xmas. And I hate the thought of anyone going through that.
This year she has met someone who she is inte3in perusing a romantic relationship with but they are taking it slow and she says they will be with family at Xmas so she can't go there. She could go see her Nana who she does talk to occasionally but due to the past she won't reach out to ask.

I feel like a twat whatever way I turn. I either upset DP or my friend.

I honestly don't know what to do. To make it worse she was saying that she is just going to get drunk all Xmas as she will be alone, it felt like she was waiting for me to invite her. I suggested she visited new friend or Nana but she blew both off and it was so awkward.

I feel so shit. What would you guys do? We've opened our home for years but it's draining.

OP posts:
DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 06/11/2021 12:32

Don't be coy. If you don't invite her but don't actually say she can't come, there's every chance she'll turn up on your doorstep expecting everything to be as it has been for the last five years.

RicherThanYew · 06/11/2021 12:32

I can categorically hand on heart say that if you let your friend come for Christmas again your DP will never forgive you.
My MIL has invited her boss (and mine) for Christmas dinner. This is after endless years of their abuse in the work place, their awful abusive behaviour, them having previous for spending entire meals saying nothing except nasty things to the people present and generally trying to make them feel bad. MIL won't not invite them because they're lonely (they have family who despise them). So MIL has chosen this person over her son and grandkids because we won't be going. I get that shit 5 days a week all year long, I don't deserve it on Christmas day too. Don't do it to your family Op.

FetchezLaVache · 06/11/2021 12:33

Have I pieced this together right - after swearing at your child and storming off upstairs, she spent the rest of the evening in your bedroom??? She really has no boundaries. I would send @Loudestcat14's suggestion, but with "alternative arrangements" rather than "arrangements with your nan", and if she pleads, tell her it's because of the swearing at your kid business.

Like other posters, I am curious to know if that episode has been addressed at any point!

hopeso · 06/11/2021 12:33

She is not your best friend. She is also using your kind nature and goodwill. Children and husband first, always. After last year, everyone must be dreading Christmas again. Nip it in the bud now.

Send her a whatsapp and say something like: 'Hi xx, just to let you know it will be me, hubby and the kids this Christmas. Hope you can get to see your nan or [insert other person here]. We'll arrange something in the New Year.'

If she rants and raves, don't engage. If you feel you are weakening, come back on to MN!

Don't let your children's memories of Christmas be this woman on the sofa and her bad behaviour. Yes, she needs help, but nothing will ever, ever change unless you change it.

DoesHePlayTheFiddle · 06/11/2021 12:33

And a 'meal only' invite will be a foot in the door so don't do it.

Idroppedthescrewinthetuna · 06/11/2021 12:35

I wouldn't mention last year.
Just be honest and say that u need a Christmas just you, DP and kids. That your kids need just their parents and you need to be able to spend the xmas period just with family.
I am going to be blunt and say if she doesn't understand that then she is no friend. She will probably think it is to do with last year, so she should understand.
To be honest, she isn't a friend anyway, mental health issues or not you don't act like that around kids. She was totally selfish. When she spent the evening in your room, swore at your kids, was she thinking about your feelings or your kids?

I am totally with your DP on this one. Kids are over animated on xmas day. Drinks can get spilled, they do get loud. But isn't it nice to just see them so happy. It sounds awful for them to be shouted and sworn at. That is not a Christmas I would want for my kids.

I would message her sooner rather than later. She can be responsible for her own day.

QueenAdreena · 06/11/2021 12:35

If anyone came into my home on Christmas Day (or, in fact, any day) and shouted at my children they would be out on their arse, never to be invited back again.

GreyhoundG1rl · 06/11/2021 12:38

@QueenAdreena

If anyone came into my home on Christmas Day (or, in fact, any day) and shouted at my children they would be out on their arse, never to be invited back again.
Well, quite. It's actually quite disturbing that op didn't address it at all, and is feeling bad at the thought of not having a re run this year to boot.
Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/11/2021 12:40

Neither of us drive and there's no public transport Xmas day so she couldn't really come for dinner as it would cost about £40 in taxis (she's unable to work due to her MH issues)

If you want to be really generous I'd consider going halves with her on the taxis and just having her for dinner, but I definitely wouldn't have her all day. After 5 years she's almost expecting it now, and if you carry on it'll get harder to say no with every passing year

greenmarlin · 06/11/2021 12:41

God know, just say you're having a quiet christmas this year and leave it at that.

A lot of people have to spend Christmas alone for all kinds of reasons. It's only one day of the year, it sounds like she didn't have a good time at yours last time anyway.

Clementineapples · 06/11/2021 12:41

Dear friend, apologies that we can’t invite you for Christmas this year. Maybe we could FaceTime and say merry Christmas in the morning though. I’ll drop your presents off on x day. Change of subject.

Then do a hamper of chocolate, bath bombs, book, anything that might help her get through the day.

CSJobseeker · 06/11/2021 12:42

I wouldn't have her to stay, as shouting at your kids was crossing a line, but there may be a balance to be struck.

I appreciate she can't take public transport on Xmas day, but what about a boxing day meal? She could come in the morning, you all have a nice walk or something, then dinner and a couple of drinks. A 3-4 day stay is not the only option.

I also think she's an adult and she has to deal with her own decisions in life. MH issues are horrible, but they're not an excuse to treat people around you like shit, or to guilt trip them (which is what she was doing with that comment about drinking all day).

AdelindSchade · 06/11/2021 12:43

No way would I be having her again after that behaviour. You sound like a nice person but you need to priotitise your family.

MobyDicksTinyCanoe · 06/11/2021 12:43

She's already showing her cards by threatening to drink to manipulate you.

Say no and stick to it, your kids should come before your friend and her problems.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 06/11/2021 12:44

Why do you want to compose a message to her, OP? Did she ask you outright? If not, then don’t start the subject.

GreyhoundG1rl · 06/11/2021 12:45

just having her for dinner, but I definitely wouldn't have her all day
How would you actually get someone to leave, though? This person doesn't sound particularly sensitive or self aware.
What if she just sits there and doesn't make any move to leave?

IAAP · 06/11/2021 12:45

No.

Christmas was shit for me last year as we had moved in with my parents 350 miles away after relocating and it quickly went to shit. Christmas was dire. This year I won’t have my youngest as he is with his dad. I’ve told eldest she can have a party on the 18 th but from them on its sparkling lights, crap tv and sleep a total recharge.

UseOfWeapons · 06/11/2021 12:46

No, OP, that’s not OK. I agree with your DP, this friends has overstayed her welcome. Time for her to find another way of spending Christmas.
I’ve spent many Christmases alone, a few times with very poor mental health. I’ve valued having a day without any other expectations, doing exactly what I want.
I realise that she may well be very different, but you cannot be her everything when you have a family of your own. I’d tell her you want a family Christmas, and offer to help her find somewhere else to spend it. If she huffs, leave her to it. Don’t do the finding something for her, and don’t promise anything for next year!

AnotheChinHair · 06/11/2021 12:46

You would be exceedingly unreasonable to invite her again after she shouted at your kids for an accident that happened in their own home.
Your poor kids!!

Finknottlesnewt · 06/11/2021 12:46

Unfortunately there is a belief that people with poor MH can hang ALL their poor character traits upon.

Having poor MH and being an entitled self absorbed arse who expects others to sort out their social life - are not mutually exclusive. They can and are both !

IAAP · 06/11/2021 12:49

A message?

Dear x This Christmas and going forward we have decided to spend Christmas solely as a family and not invite guests to join us. The last few years we were happy to host you but going forward we are going to make this family time only. Lots of love Y x

RobertsRadio · 06/11/2021 12:51

You sound like you've been a good friend, but enough is enough and your DC and DH shouldn't have to endure your friend's bad behaviour, especially for three or four days 😧. Spending Christmas Day on your own isn't the worst thing, it's just one day, she can eat what she likes, watch what she likes. You are not responsible for her, it is up to her to sort her life out, not you. I can't help thinking that you and your family are going to enjoy this Christmas so much.

GuiltyFeelingsBothSides · 06/11/2021 12:54

We've talked and she's not coming this year. She's fine with it.

She's actually a really lovely person despite that one incident. Shes done alot for my family, helps out more than anyone else in my life (bar DP)

Well it's done now, so that's that.

Thanks for the push

OP posts:
Redwinestillfine · 06/11/2021 12:55

'Dear friend, we were discussing Christmas plans and we have decided to have a quiet Christmas with just myself, DH and kids this year. I know you have come here for the past few years so wanted to let you know our plans in plenty of time as a heads up before you make your own. Although we won't see you on Christmas day, if you are up for it, I would love to meet up for Christmas coffee/ drinks/ meal earlier in December. Let me know, love Guilty feelings'

Bonbon21 · 06/11/2021 12:59

You have to get the message across...LOUD AND CLEAR..
" We are having Christmas with the kids this year."
And repeat...
If she has the balls to ask outright... you tell her that her behaviour last year was unacceptable and INEXCUSEABLE.
I also think you should say a sincere 'Thank you' to your husband for his patience and tolerance over the past 5 years.
Hug your kids close.. make this year a Christmas they will remember...