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BabyBearRus · 2021-10-29T23:47:05+00:00

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

LemonTT · 12/11/2021 10:32

At the end of the day divorce is a right for all of us and that isn’t going to change this side of Gilead. As women’s rights progress, courts will be less sympathetic to the career enablement and sacrifice arguments. That has happened already in UK judgements and precedents.

As women we all need to be able to accept that our relationship could end. Even if that is not a romantic notion. And we need to be prepared to deal with the financial and emotional consequences. The idea that marriage protects you, comes with a bag full of small print and exclusions. Sorry to burst bubbles but that’s true.

I don’t know what class or school men go to learn that they should never give up their career, hobbies and friends. Or, where they find out that not being married protects their assets. We just need to encourage women to learn the lessons drummed into men rather than blaming men for looking out for their own interests. Which is rather pointless but they don’t feel guilty.

AreYouRightThereSkippy · 12/11/2021 10:40

I agree @LemonTT.

But also remember that even when women don't choose to give up up careers, they will likely still he affected by the gender pay back. That is the unfair society we live in unfortunately. And especially so in Hollywood I think, where women seem to have a shorter career-life expectancy.

Gohugatree · 12/11/2021 10:42

'well she's been discarded and humiliated on a world stage'......

None of this would be happening on a 'world' stage if Alice hadn't put it there. It would have been a tiny footnote in the entertainment section which very few would have even registered.

Alice's 'humiliation' is 100% down to her own behaviour.

AreYouRightThereSkippy · 12/11/2021 10:43

So of course men are less likely to give up their careers. They know they stand a good chance if progression. Women don't always know this. Even childless women get passed over at work. Especially after a certain age.

It is utterly shite. But not entirely down to choice.

I work BTW and wouldn't give it up. But I still make less than dh.

BarefootHippieChick · 12/11/2021 12:55

@Gohugatree

'well she's been discarded and humiliated on a world stage'......

None of this would be happening on a 'world' stage if Alice hadn't put it there. It would have been a tiny footnote in the entertainment section which very few would have even registered.

Alice's 'humiliation' is 100% down to her own behaviour.

Agree. I'd never heard of either of them until a couple of weeks ago when she started spouting everything online. If I'd just read it as a tiny footprint sandwiched in between other celebrity news, it would have been forgotten about within 10 minutes. But yes, the fact Alice herself is keeping it out there means she's going to be permanently talked about and 'humiliated'.

mylovelydd · 12/11/2021 13:05

When I found out my ex was cheating on me, I wanted to put posters up (pre social media) around town telling everyone what a shit he was , my head was all over the place and my thinking was erratic and irrational . My friend talked me out of it thank goodness but if social media had been around then , I’m sure I’d have posted all over it. The betrayal really sends you to a bad place mentally.

Exactly. I'm stunned that this horrible thread hasn't been taken down. Putting screenshots of the public breakdown of a woman in pain are absolutely repellent as are the salivating gleeful posters putting them up.
No, AE isn't covering herself in glory but jfc some of you are loving all this. Have a look at yourselves will you? Do you imagine her DC can't access this thread? Absolutely disgusting.

Thesummeriwas16 · 12/11/2021 13:25

Well said @mylovelydd

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BabyBearRus · 12/11/2021 13:31

Mylovelydd well said. Alice is obviously in immense pain, and while I don't agree with the way she is going about it all, she obviously needs to have more support. As previously stated, none of us know what goes on inside a marriage, but the fact is he has been with her for over 20 years, married for 14 of those. The way he publicised his new relationship on Instagram/Twitter was inflammatory to his wife and family. There was no excuse to imply that he was unhappy before his new live made him smile again. How should his poor children interpret that statement? He certainly doesn't come out of this smelling of roses either.

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Whataday198 · 12/11/2021 13:35

@BabyBearRus

Mylovelydd well said. Alice is obviously in immense pain, and while I don't agree with the way she is going about it all, she obviously needs to have more support. As previously stated, none of us know what goes on inside a marriage, but the fact is he has been with her for over 20 years, married for 14 of those. The way he publicised his new relationship on Instagram/Twitter was inflammatory to his wife and family. There was no excuse to imply that he was unhappy before his new live made him smile again. How should his poor children interpret that statement? He certainly doesn't come out of this smelling of roses either.

I think he maybe already made a pretty clear statement that he'd been unhappy in his marriage by leaving it. Surely it would have been actively bizarre for him to pretend he'd been happy all along. It seems pretty normal for me to acknowledge that you'd been sad for a while during and post break up.

I feel like a lot of this thread contains some very weird MN attitudes who basically don't accept that it's ever OK for a man to leave a marriage, and will always cast him as the bad guy for so doing.

Thesummeriwas16 · 12/11/2021 13:38

@Whataday198 - no one is saying that it's not ok for a man to leave a marriage - no one at all.

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BabyBearRus · 12/11/2021 13:54

Of course it's okay to leave a marriage if you are unhappy. But I'm commenting on how he announced his new relationship on social media. It certainly wasn't going to help the already volatile relationship he had with his wife post break up, and was also disrespectful to his children. Surely he would have known how inflammatory such a statement would be to all concerned.

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Glassofshloer · 12/11/2021 14:08

@BabyBearRus

Mylovelydd well said. Alice is obviously in immense pain, and while I don't agree with the way she is going about it all, she obviously needs to have more support. As previously stated, none of us know what goes on inside a marriage, but the fact is he has been with her for over 20 years, married for 14 of those. The way he publicised his new relationship on Instagram/Twitter was inflammatory to his wife and family. There was no excuse to imply that he was unhappy before his new live made him smile again. How should his poor children interpret that statement? He certainly doesn't come out of this smelling of roses either.

He didn’t say that though did he? He said thanks for making me smile again, not thanks for being the first person to make me happy

now that would’ve been inflammatory.

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BabyBearRus · 12/11/2021 14:18

Glassofshloer I think I would take the statement to "smile again" as implying he had little to smile or be happy about prior to this.

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Glassofshloer · 12/11/2021 14:21

@BabyBearRus

Glassofshloer I think I would take the statement to "smile again" as implying he had little to smile or be happy about prior to this.

Well I don’t think he did, did he? He had just gone through a split and his ex is stopping him seeing his children.

Imagine if he had put ‘yee-haw, this year has been fab and Bianca is just the cherry on the cake’. Then the Twitter mob would be all ‘HOW CAN YOU BE HAPPY AFTER WHAT YOUVE DONE’

Dozer · 12/11/2021 14:38

However he behaved/is now behaving, he isn’t responsible for her mental health and her actions/reactions: she is. And IMO her actions, certainly those in public, seem clearly not in the best interests of the DC.

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BabyBearRus · 12/11/2021 14:57

No he isn't responsible for her mental health, but for the sake of his children he perhaps should have avoided announcing anything via SM. He must be aware that Alice is extremely volatile atm.

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BarefootHippieChick · 12/11/2021 15:01

@BabyBearRus

Glassofshloer I think I would take the statement to "smile again" as implying he had little to smile or be happy about prior to this.

He obviously didn't though. I'm sure at the beginning of the marriage he was happy and smiling, but somewhere along the way that changed. And I find it hard to believe Alice didn't realise this at some point. When a marriage isn't working I think it's obvious to those outside the relationship, so surely those actually in it would also be aware?

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BabyBearRus · 12/11/2021 15:09

But why say this on SM where his children could see it? How must his daughters feel? Surely, they must have made him smile?

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LemonTT · 12/11/2021 15:18

The smile comment is a compliment to his girlfriend. It’s in no way an insult to his children. Only poisonous SM media minds would try to plant that thought in children.

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BabyBearRus · 12/11/2021 15:26

Wow what a poisonous and sour comment to make LemmonTT. Put it this way I would never make such a comment for fear my children would misinterpret it's meaning. And before you say, well Alice is spilling all on SM...as previously stated, I am in no way agreeing with her behaviour either. But I do recognise that she is obviously very fragile atm.

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Iamdobby63 · 12/11/2021 16:30

I did think at the time that the smile comment might have been a dig at Alice as before they split up I remember reading on her Instagram that he didn’t smile, one post is still up but I think there was another. It was clear he wasn’t happy.

EurghCobwebs · 12/11/2021 16:34

Team Ionn. She cheated on him with a co-star during The Vampire Diaries.

MichelleScarn · 12/11/2021 16:37

So baby you say you don't agree with her behaviour but... its OK as she's 'fragile'? Really?

Thesummeriwas16 · 12/11/2021 16:47

@MichelleScarn

So baby you say you don't agree with her behaviour but... its OK as she's 'fragile'? Really?

No @BabyBearRus is not saying that. Alice is very obviously having a breakdown and is unable to moderate her rants but for loan to say what he did was poking the bear - he of all people would know how she would react and at the end of the day she has the day to day care of his children.

Mangledmind · 07/08/2022 00:20

Adultery is wrong. It messes up whole families. Imagine that you get into your 50's thinking you're set up and sorted for life and then, like a tonne of bricks you get cheated on and abandoned. Understandable why she's upset. Fortunately for us, we aren't famous, so our private lives aren't being splashed over newspapers and social media. Maybe, being a famous person, she feels the need to defend herself? We all sleep better at night thinking we're better than all that, but add celebrity, adultery and defamation into the picture you have a whole set of circumstances that us mere mortals will likely never experience. Easy to judge when you've never been through it!