Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

[BabyBearRus]

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

@sunglassesonthetable

Well if she made it so impossible to have a reasonable discussion it’s no surprise he didn’t feel able to tell her.

I have no idea what goes on behind their closed doors.

Then how do you know he didn’t tell her?

He might have told her. 🤷‍♀️ I'm not saying he didn't.

Going by what she has said. He's not speaking.

And given she liked posts encouraging her to seriously injure him; could you possibly, theoretically, see why?

I think people need to also remember that her behaviour has been erratic and vitriolic for months, not just in reaction to this picture.

She seemingly has no self control and is damaging her own reputation, rather than his, when it comes to earning potential.

At some point if she needs to earn if she doesn't get the lifetime spousal maintenance she said she is expecting, maybe she'll do one of the reality shows like I'm a celeb. I don't think she would command that much though as neither her or Ioan are actually that famous - not household names or faces. Ioan might be a 'ooh I've seen him in something' face but not going to be landing box office leads now. He will have a steady stream of roles though it seems so continue to earn.

Alice however won't get much (if any) acting work at all now as her behaviour (from her social media posts to the car rant video) paints her as problematic, unreliable and potentially difficult to work with.

It's such a shame she has self sabotaged like this. It's awful watching someone have a breakdown and doing everything they can to make it worse for themselves.

And given she liked posts encouraging her to seriously injure him; could you possibly, theoretically, see why?

'encouraging her to seriously injure him ' I think that's a massive stretch and probably would in that case fall under some sort of threatening behaviour issue. So I'll leave those tweet 'likes' to the Los Angeles Police or IG s lawyers to deal with.

In fairness she put those smiley faces on the crushed testicle story after he had revealed him n' Bianca.

I think the biggest kick in the teeth for IG and one there would be no going back from was that tweet that his Mum is a narc.

I think she burnt all her bridges then.

@sunglassesonthetable

I think the biggest kick in the teeth for IG and one there would be no going back from was that tweet that his Mum is a narc.

I think she burnt all her bridges then.

Totally agree with you on that. I don't want to engage on speculation about what actually has happened between IG & AE, because we simply don't know. I think this thread has shown that it's perfectly possible to take entirely different interpretations from what we have actually read!

But the tweets about his mum ramped it up to the point of no return, and anyone who wants the best for AE would be advising her to step away from social media for now. Unfortunately, I don't think she'd listen right now. It's giving her validation/instant gratification, which I can totally understand she feels she needs. I suppose my question to her would be 'where do you want to be in 12 months times? And how can you get there?'

Yes, Alice might not get much work because of her behaviour, but also, unfortunately, in Hollywood terms she's already over the hill. As she's far from an A lister, the only roles she's likely to get are those made for tv type movies playing somebodys mom, or a small part in another Vampire Diaries type series. It will pay the bills, yes, but not a lavish LA lifestyle. And LA is ridiculously expensive to live in even for a normal person, never mind someone used to a designer lifestyle.

She’s obviously having some kind of mental health crisis/ breakdown.
It’s horrific to see her unravel. I hope she gets some real support soon.

She's shown she can be outspoken and defiant, and grab attention. I'd cast her on Loose Women or any reality show in a blink.
She could definitely turn this to her advance but it would need a solid reality show first step.

She's shown she can be outspoken and defiant, and grab attention. I'd cast her on Loose Women or any reality show in a blink.
She could definitely turn this to her advance but it would need a solid reality show first step.

Yep, if Katie Price does it.

@sunglassesonthetable

I think the biggest kick in the teeth for IG and one there would be no going back from was that tweet that his Mum is a narc.

I think she burnt all her bridges then.

...his mum is a narc and she "thought he could see that" implying they had discussed his mum. Just mean and childish.

I am very definitely 'Team their poor children being dragged through all this'

@sunglassesonthetable

And given she liked posts encouraging her to seriously injure him; could you possibly, theoretically, see why?

'encouraging her to seriously injure him ' I think that's a massive stretch and probably would in that case fall under some sort of threatening behaviour issue. So I'll leave those tweet 'likes' to the Los Angeles Police or IG s lawyers to deal with.

In fairness she put those smiley faces on the crushed testicle story after he had revealed him n' Bianca.

The issues with many of the individual posts or statements or like may seem in isolation insignificant. But accumulate all of them, add the piles of stuff from before and he can substantiate an accusation of harassment.

The odd jibe would be one thing but this is sustained and that puts into the realm of targeted abuse. How do you think somebody would feel to know every day someone was going to attack them on social media and encourage others to do it.

Because that’s what abusers do and they more often than not do it to women.

The odd jibe would be one thing but this is sustained and that puts into the realm of targeted abuse. How do you think somebody would feel to know every day someone was going to attack them on social media and encourage others to do it.

Do you think it's tipped over from being incredibly revealing in a "dirty laundry" sort of way to abusive? In that she's repeatedly attacking him and encouraging others to attack?

Or is it more a " woe is me, look what he's done"?

I realise this could be splitting hairs, because no one wants their biz all over SM and I bet it's toe curling for both their families, but has she actually crossed that line into harassment?

Her outlook would be that she feels cheated on and she's making no bones about it.

It's beginning to fry my brain tbh.

I genuinely think that if a male celebrity was posting the amount of social media posts she was, all about his female ex partner, he would be absolutely crucified and vilified.

I think that people sympathetic to her situation, which is heartbreaking for her obviously, are overlooking the amount and the tone of her posts.

IMO it's a sustained campaign designed to cause embarrassment / distress / provoke a reaction. I rarely do the 'if it was a man' thing on here but if the reverse had occurred in this situation I think a man behaving how Alice has behaved since the split would be 'cancelled' for want of a better word.

I can’t think of any cases where the man gave up his career to stay home while the wife went off to work. Then the wife gaslights - stonewalls and abandons the family leaving the dh alone with the children- then proceeds to post a together photo from abroad with her new boyfriend on IG.
I think if a woman did that to a man, he would be upset. I have no doubt the woman would be vilified.

I’m not saying that’s what happened….that’s just what Alice claims happened.

Also I’m not condoning her behaviour.

I’m hoping I returns home without his female friend and takes over the care of his dc. Someone needs to put those children first.

@Upyouranty

I can’t think of any cases where the man gave up his career to stay home while the wife went off to work. Then the wife gaslights - stonewalls and abandons the family leaving the dh alone with the children- then proceeds to post a together photo from abroad with her new boyfriend on IG. I think if a woman did that to a man, he would be upset. I have no doubt the woman would be vilified.

I’m not saying that’s what happened….that’s just what Alice claims happened.

Also I’m not condoning her behaviour.

I’m hoping I returns home without his female friend and takes over the care of his dc. Someone needs to put those children first.

But you have made up a scenario. It’s a meaningless comparison full of hyperbole and speculation.

We can see what is happening and no amount of justification and minimising because she is a woman is going to change the fact she is being abusive.

That is wrong and if you cannot have empathy for someone on the wrong end of that because he is a man then you don’t understand empathy.

And AE is a woman of privilege whichever way you slice it. She is wealthy and she had and has choices. Far more than many women. All her choices were made in the knowledge that marriages can end in divorce. In the US it’s half. I expect California to be more than half.

@Upyouranty

I can’t think of any cases where the man gave up his career to stay home while the wife went off to work. Then the wife gaslights - stonewalls and abandons the family leaving the dh alone with the children- then proceeds to post a together photo from abroad with her new boyfriend on IG. I think if a woman did that to a man, he would be upset. I have no doubt the woman would be vilified.

I’m not saying that’s what happened….that’s just what Alice claims happened.

Also I’m not condoning her behaviour.

I’m hoping I returns home without his female friend and takes over the care of his dc. Someone needs to put those children first.

This is a hugely biased version of events based on the worst case scenario from Alice's tweets.

And she wasn't abandoned alone as she has said herself she has a nanny 9-5 (who presumably does help with loads of other stuff as both kids are at school during the vast majority of those hours). She has always had a nanny I believe, so while she has been the primary carer rather than him, she has always had help and chosen not to work but to be a SAHP and have a nanny too. Her prerogative of course, but a choice that she made as an adult capable of earning and having some financial independence.

My point was that I'm surprised at the fact people are defending what has now been months and months of relentless posts about an ex, including mocking his looks, his personality, his parenting, his family... if he was as shit as she now portrays him as you'd think she would be less horrified at him leaving. It's all very confusing.

Sunglasses, my thinking AE’s state of mind is that if she was venting to a bunch of well meaning friends over wine and ice cream it would do her some good. We usually have a mix of friends who can variously listen, bitch and cheer up. We have all done it for each other. But at some point friends start directing you away from the negative thoughts to positive thinking. They replace the wine with a cup of tea.

However SM means that people can end up in angry echo chambers.
It then became an increasing thing. I seen it with men as well. It turns good people into something you know they aren’t and which is pretty ugly. And like you said nobody is all good or all bad in these circumstances, just flawed.

There is bound to be more to AE than this. I mean she might be some exceptionally nasty piece of work. But I can’t help thinking he would have been out the door years ago if that was case. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an unmanaged case of the menopause happening at the worse time, during a divorce. This would be a more normal explanation for weight gain and volatility than some of the speculation.

There is bound to be more to AE than this. I mean she might be some exceptionally nasty piece of work. But I can’t help thinking he would have been out the door years ago if that was case. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was an unmanaged case of the menopause happening at the worse time, during a divorce. This would be a more normal explanation for weight gain and volatility than some of the speculation.

You're way ahead of me Lemon. Does she ever mention it? Menopause I mean?

Not defending @youvegottenminuteslynn, some of us just have more empathy for Alice here than others. As has been said before we really don't know what has happened. And as has been repeated again and again no one can defend her social media rants - we can all see it has got completely out of hand but what I see is a bewildered and lonely woman who is falling apart in front of us and I can't help but feel sorry for her.

I agree that there is more to Alice than we see @LemonTT - after all they were together for 7 years before they married and they then went through IVF twice in order to have their children - who does that if you're not happy in your relationship!

I agree @LemonTT

Problem is - Alice needs an intervention- these fools on SM are not her friends.