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Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

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BabyBearRus · 30/10/2021 00:47

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

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Thesummeriwas16 · 10/11/2021 20:14

@Upyouranty

Problem is - Alice needs an intervention- these fools on SM are not her friends.
They really aren't!
HannahinHampshire · 11/11/2021 00:17

Alice will be on ‘Lorraine’ on ITV tomorrow from 9.

DifferentHair · 11/11/2021 06:02

@BarefootHippieChick

'He posted one picture with a simple comment, and has kept a dignified silence since then.'

I don't think it was a simple comment, it was a dig at his ex. 'Thanks for making me happy again' is very different to 'thanks for making me happy' or similar. He's describing his new relationship relative to his prior one, which I think is unnecessary. He could have said something nice about his new girlfriend and left it at that instead of posting a caption heavily implying that he had been miserable before. Not even for AE's sake but for his daughters. How hurtful for them to read that his life with them didn't make him 'smile', only his 20 something new girlfriend does.

Not excusing AE's conduct either, just saying he hasn't exactly risen above and been been gracious here.

Maybe it was a toxic relationship with bad behaviour on both sides. He just happens to be savvy enough (or have access to professional help) to make himself look good in the public eye whereas she lacks the self control

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 11/11/2021 07:07

@Upyouranty

Problem is - Alice needs an intervention- these fools on SM are not her friends.
The kids need an intervention. They have one absent parent and one parent who is clearly very unwell mentally and unravelling in the full glare of the public eye. Thank God they have a nanny at least - I suppose out of all the adults in their life, at least they have one who is presumably putting the children’s interest and well-being ahead of her own (even if that is because she’s paid to). A shame that neither of their parents can do that, however.
WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 11/11/2021 08:13

I honestly don't have any sympathy left for her, especially reading how she went after a young actress who works with IG because she put a love heart on his Instagram status.
Let it be known that IG thought she was fat, apparently. She's awful, and a liar 🤷🏼‍♀️

Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?
Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?
Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?
MyDogLovesBiscuits · 11/11/2021 08:17

And that reply from Ella shown above has been reframed by Alice as her attacking Alice or coming at her like a banshee Hmm

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 11/11/2021 08:20

Yep. She's absolutely showing her true colours.

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 11/11/2021 08:27

Just absolutely bitchy and childish.

Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?
BringMeTea · 11/11/2021 09:12

Yeah you don't like her. Think we've established that. Grin

BarefootHippieChick · 11/11/2021 09:14

@HannahinHampshire

Alice will be on ‘Lorraine’ on ITV tomorrow from 9.

God is she still going? Thought that show finished years ago.

DifferentHair · 11/11/2021 09:24

Yeah she's lost me completely.

I can't remember who said it but the relentlessness is what tips it over into abusive behaviour for me. It's not just an upset person venting.

It seems like she's trying to damage all his other relationships as well.

ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff · 11/11/2021 09:29

Did Lorraine just call her Alison?

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 11/11/2021 09:54

@BringMeTea

Yeah you don't like her. Think we've established that. Grin
I wouldn't go that far, she must have some redeeming qualities 🤔
MyDogLovesBiscuits · 11/11/2021 10:00

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps
I wouldn't go that far, she must have some redeeming qualities 🤔

A bit like with children "I love you, but I don't love your behaviour right now" only not love because that's a bit much towards a woman I've barely heard of till now Grin

MichelleScarn · 11/11/2021 10:03

Thankfully not watched it! Can she not think about her children rather than going on TV ranting about how hard done she is? Am assuming she's not going to mention how awful she's been on sm towards people?

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 11/11/2021 10:23

A bit like with children "I love you, but I don't love your behaviour right now" only not love because that's a bit much towards a woman I've barely heard of till now Grin

Haha yes 🤣

Cheeseandlobster · 11/11/2021 15:39

@ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff

Did Lorraine just call her Alison?
Yes I noticed that too.

Gosh on one level I feel terribly sorry for Alice who appeared very fragile. Too fragile for TV I think. I do think though that by referring to "his mistress" that she has shot herself in the foot. There isn't any real evidence that she was his mistress so I suspect his lawyers might have something to say about that.

Also does Instagram really notify you when you have been unblocked?

BarefootHippieChick · 11/11/2021 16:25

Not condoning Alice's term of the word mistress, but technically Bianca is his mistress while he's still married.

Cheeseandlobster · 11/11/2021 16:30

@BarefootHippieChick

Not condoning Alice's term of the word mistress, but technically Bianca is his mistress while he's still married.
Are you a mistress though if you are separated? I am not trying to be argumentative - I genuinely don't know how this works. I see threads on here from people who are separated and trying to date again so I thought you were only a mistress if you were still actively in a relationship with your spouse. Happy to be corrected though!
BarefootHippieChick · 11/11/2021 16:49

cheeseandlobster the dictionary states a mistress is a woman who is having sexual relations with a married man. However, it's obviously a very old term and dates back to times when couples didn't usually separate but stayed married, so in fairness I'm not sure how it actually works in todays world!

BarefootHippieChick · 11/11/2021 16:54

Also, I do know in some American states having sex with anyone else while still legally married is classed as adultery, even if you're separated.

sunglassesonthetable · 11/11/2021 17:06

I think Alice is stretching the meaning of 'mistress' to its limit. I wouldn't call Bianca IG's mistress in this day and age. But she's hurting and not giving an inch.

Glassofshloer · 11/11/2021 17:11

I cannot believe some of the double standards going on here.

This is no one woman crusade against creepy cheating husbands.
A woman making a stand for other women wouldn’t:
Blame the ‘mistress’ more than the husband
Call other women fat and ugly - not just the ‘mistress’ but even women who dared to like IG’s status
Treat her 2 daughter’s emotions with flippant disregard, saying they’ll forget it all in 15 years so it doesn’t matter (check out the stately homes thread Alice) and sharing details of their pain with the press to make IG look like a monster
Drag her mother in law and children’s grandmother into the online spat (not the grandfather I notice)
I could go on

She may be hurting but this isn’t just a hurting woman, this is a not very nice hurting woman. Not very nice people get dumped too, and I don’t believe all this vile behaviour manifested the instant he left. I think she was a nightmare to IG and I can see why he feels unable to stay in contact with her. Remember if this is what she’s saying online just imagine what she sent him in private.

When it’s a man nobody races to pin the above behaviour on their unhappiness, it’s called abuse.

Just because she is de facto a woman whose husband has left her, doesn’t mean she deserves outpourings of empathy.

And for those saying IG shouldn’t have put his new girlfriend on social media because their daughter saw it; Alice posted that IG was leaving on SM, where was her regard for what her kids would see then?!

Honestly, supporting wronged women is great, but you undermine this by racing to explain Alice’s behaviour away with ‘breakdowns’ and ‘unhappiness’.

BruiserWoods · 11/11/2021 17:11

I agree. It's all out in the open. That might have been a mistress in 1950 but given that there is zero communication between them, they live in different countries and his kids know they're separated (the mn bench mark!) then in 2021 i would just call her his new girlfriend.
Sorry Alice. Feel your pain but she is hhardly a mistress.
Its internalised misogyny to keep labelling her a mistress. I get that she is hurting and it is relieving some pressure for her.

Cheeseandlobster · 11/11/2021 17:12

Hmm. Yes. It's not very clear what a mistress is exactly in today's time but it wasn't a wise choice of words imo.

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