Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

[BabyBearRus]

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

People keep saying he should be called out for his behaviour. On whose word should his behaviour to be 'called out' on?

We have literally zero knowledge on what has happened in their marriage and nor should we. Who are we to say he should be called out?

It's the modern day equivalent of putting someone in the stocks or making them wear a scarlet letter. Who has the right to be the morality police here? does that same principle apply if it turns out she has been abusive as well?

@ShinyHappyPoster

I think it's interesting that Alice posting on social media is viewed as being detrimental to their DCs but Ioan putting up photos with his new gf, sending those photos to their DC and saying he took them etc (as alleged) isn't being criticised in the same way. I think it damages women when men aren't called out on their bad behaviour. Putting up. Shutting up and slinking away is about negating female pain and absolving men of responsibility. It's no coincidence that calls to politeness and decorum are always pointed at women's behaviour and not so much at men's.

Yeah I’m not sure, it’s been a year now since they split. He’s allowed to have a new partner and there is no evidence of an affair, he’s allowed to tell his kids he has a partner and due to his fame if he didn’t tell that he was in a relationship then they would have photos taken and leaked to the press, which would have been worse.

As said, I’d get it if they were newly split but all that’s really happened is he’s said he is in a new relationship a year later and she’s went after him hard for it.

It’s also interesting to think about the tension between ‘maintaining dignity’ and keeping your mouth shut when you feel you’ve been treated badly.

Both have advantages and disadvantages. Speaking generally here - if you keep your mouth shut you get to be ‘dignified’ but never get your say and often whoever hurt you gets away with their reputation intact.

^ What Salayes said is an interesting point. I’m not thinking about relationships but just in life generally. I’ve sometimes kept my mouth shut when bullied etc or wrongly accused of something. I had to think of possible wider implications. But sometimes it meant people looked better than they were, or even that I was the ‘baddie’ 🙁.

No opinion on this actor break up thing though.

I think she's behaving outrageously. I think that what she's doing is verging on abusive. How could she humiliate herself, him, and their children like this?

I understand she's hurting and I feel for her. But this isn't the way to behave - by just going out of your way to embarrass and shame your ex.

He didn't abuse her, he just fell out of love with her. It happens. Especially as, from the sounds of things, they were apart a lot.
She's dragging her children into it, sharing personal details about their children with the public, and telling everyone that Ioan has left the children as well as her when really he's just left her and is working abroad. That doesn't mean he's abandoned his kids, and she should not be telling them that. If they feel abandoned then I think that's got a lot to do with what she's been telling them.

Also, I hadn't even heard of either of them before all this and that seems to be the case for a lot of people. So basically, all a lot of people know about these two is the gory details of their break-up. They're basically famous because of the break-up and the undignified way Alice is behaving. And I think that's not going to be nice for their kids.

@AnkleDeep

#TeamKids and #TeamIoan

Reading what friends say he's been trying to extricate himself from her controlling ways for a few years.

She should be putting her children first.

He's maintained a dignified silence up until now, a shame she can't do the same.

Looks like she's out to destroy his new relationship. Poisonous.

Where have you read that he's been trying to leave her for years because she's controlling? I just Googled that and not a single story came up with that line.

Aah all the affair-apologists out in force again.. cute.

If anyone is capable of being 'Team' anything other than the cheated on partner then you'd have to be a spectacular cunt.

If one isn't happy in a relationship one can always leave first. There is NEVER an excuse to cheat. Never.

And for those of you saying shit like "She sounds unhinged" well yes, she's probably utterly sick of being gas-lit and lied to, only for her gut feelings to be proven correct, whilst looking after the kids and general life admin, while he trots off into the sunset with his OW.

It's sad. If I were in her position I'd have got the best lawyer I could, and maintained a dignified silence while getting on with things.

*Aah all the affair-apologists out in force again.. cute.

If anyone is capable of being 'Team' anything other than the cheated on partner then you'd have to be a spectacular cunt.

If one isn't happy in a relationship one can always leave first. There is NEVER an excuse to cheat. Never.

And for those of you saying shit like "She sounds unhinged" well yes, she's probably utterly sick of being gas-lit and lied to, only for her gut feelings to be proven correct, whilst looking after the kids and general life admin, while he trots off into the sunset with his OW*

But there’s currently no evidence he was having an affair

Sure, if that turns out to be the case then he’s an arsehole and no reasonable person would think he wasn’t, but it’s insane to condemn him based on the guess work of randoms on Twitter. And if it turns out she was abusive then she loses the moral high ground in relation to any overlap with the new gf

mylovelydd I'm not an affair apologist as you call it, but I don't condone false accusations either. Where's your proof he had an affair? Because that's what AE thinks happened? She doesn't know it either, which is presumably why her Daily Fail piece very noticeably doesn't mention the word "affair". Legally she's on dodgy ground and so is anyone accusing him and his new girlfriend unless they can prove it as fact.

@mylovelydd

Aah all the affair-apologists out in force again.. cute.

If anyone is capable of being 'Team' anything other than the cheated on partner then you'd have to be a spectacular cunt.

If one isn't happy in a relationship one can always leave first. There is NEVER an excuse to cheat. Never.

And for those of you saying shit like "She sounds unhinged" well yes, she's probably utterly sick of being gas-lit and lied to, only for her gut feelings to be proven correct, whilst looking after the kids and general life admin, while he trots off into the sunset with his OW.

How can people on here be affair apologists where there is simply no evidence of an affair? They have been split a year, he’s now in a new relationship, that doesn’t mean he was having an affair with her before hand, Alice is accusing him of this now with no evidence of such a thing,

I think it’s telling he is now seeing someone be almost 20 years his junior. He may not have been unfaithful but I suspect had a midlife crisis.

I feel very sorry for her and generally have little sympathy for people like him but at the end of the day if you’re not happy in a relationship you have the right to leave. You don’t have the right to be unfaithful though.

None of us know the truth so this is all pointless speculation. If every time someone writes something the come back is ‘but you don’t know the other side of the story’ well yeah none of us do. The thread is a bit pointless. Only those two people know the truth.
I don’t agree with airing it all in public when there are kids involved but I’ve never been in a gaslighting situation (I f that’s what it was/is) I think they could both handle it better. Adults should communicate and put their children first not their anger or disdain for each other.

I applaud Alice for not ‘keeping her dignity’. Her DC gave been damaged enough by their father abandoning them and leaving their devastated mother to pick up the pieces, their sole caregiver while he’s away for months at a time. You’d think going through a messy. traumatic breakup that he’d try to stay local to be with his DC more wouldn’t you but apparently he’s spent the last 6 months at the Cap du Roc in France with his OW and even put off his DC visiting him recently as it ‘wouldn’t work out’. Her bringing his disgusting behaviour into the open is nothing compared to that. He deserves to be shamed. Too many men get away with cheating on their wives and ditching their children with nothing said about it.

He has apparently spent all their savings on a team of hotshot lawyers and is trying to get her out of their home and into a rental. Also threatening she will lose their DC if she doesn’t keep quiet and stop harming his image! The ghosting as well. How can you not communicate with the mother of your 8 and 12 year old when you spend most of the time on the other side of the world? He also apparently hung up on his DC if Alice wandered into the frame when he was FaceTiming them.

I have read through her Twitter posts and she sounds like a really nice person actually. She says on there about bullies counting on victims keeping silent to get away with it, so it’s no wonder she’s doing what she is.

I have been horrified at so many other people, especially women, calling her crazy and bitter. That has been aimed at women who have been treated badly and deeply hurt, normally by men, since time began and times obviously haven’t changed.

If the ‘abuse’ documented by the OW’s friend was Alice shouting at him down the phone after he decided he’d rather stay in paradise for another few months instead of getting home to his family in a global pandemic, the fact he gave her permission to say that to the press says it all really! Trying to turn the victim into the abuser. What other claims are there against her?

I used to really like him as an actor as well since Fantastic Four. Obviously his Liar character didn’t rake much acting.

People bringing up the fact she broke off her engagement to be with Ioan are really scraping the barrel. A 20 year marriage and two DC is not comparable. She broke off her engagement before she got married and had DC and?

Distasteful profanities now on this thread about people we don’t know. ugh.

Her own actions mean I'm feeling a bit more sympathy for Ioan. No-one, including Alice knows whether he had an affair. At the moment she's creating the narrative and very possibly harming her children.

I've read the DM piece and I'm not at all convinced that he had been cheating for 3 years. Had his head turned maybe.
It's always painful when a long term relationship ends and I feel sorry for Alice and the children but as many have said we are only hearing one side.

He has apparently spent all their savings on a team of hotshot lawyers and is trying to get her out of their home and into a rental. Also threatening she will lose their DC if she doesn’t keep quiet and stop harming his image! The ghosting as well. How can you not communicate with the mother of your 8 and 12 year old when you spend most of the time on the other side of the world? He also apparently hung up on his DC if Alice wandered into the frame when he was FaceTiming them.

I hope you have proof of this as it's massively defamatory. I suspect MN will take this thread down soon because people are accusing him of all sorts and citing "apparently" as though that's some kind of legal defence.

The thing is as she’s been a stay at home mum for over a decade, it’s highly likely she’s been living in the house at his expense for the last year and refusing to agree a divorce, so he is likely not just paying child maintenance but maintaining her whilst she publicly attacks him. Got to be Galling.

If the genders were reversed and it was a woman paying for a man whilst he attacked her constantly and then accused her of shagging around because a year after their relationship ended she started a new relationship with soneone she worked with he would be roundly attacked on here.

Says who. He isn't the first spouse to leave because they were in an unhappy marriage.

Obviously his Liar character didn’t rake much acting.

Really?!? Currently, all that we KNOW to be true is that a picture has been posted on social media of Ioan Gruffudd sitting next to a young woman, and that this has made the wife from whom he’s been separated for about a year very angry.

And you somehow think it’s fine to go from that to equating him to the rapist he played in a TV drama?

Good grief, there are some absolutely unhinged people on this website.

Autumn, we 'know' this because it's her story. It could well be a pile of bollocks.

AutumnIsTheBest be very careful your post could be interpreted as defamatory. You have no first hand evidence to support anything you have said.

No idea if it's been posted already and it's the DM so no need to comment if you don't read the DM.

I think she is right to go public. He's an awful gaslighting liar. Team Alice. She deserves better.

Ioan has broken my heart TWICE: ALICE EVANS gives account of rejection
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@bogeythefungusman, @GullyGull, @Loudestcat14. That is from Alice’s own Twitter posts on a public forum. I’m sure if they were libellous, she’d have had to take them down by now. She has said his legal team is monitoring everything she posts IIRC.

There is some awful stuff on Tattle about this. Her deleted tweets there for all to see. Imagine slugging it out withtan ex on twitter. Not a good idea. She hasn't worked for years apparently. Lives in a mansion with staff in LA. Should IG be funding this for ever more.