Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

[BabyBearRus]

I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

I have no idea what's gone on in their marriage and who was the 'baddie', but from what I've read about the current situation I think both parents need to get their shit together for the sake of their kids, who will be fully aware of what's going on.

Marriage breakdown is hard, seeing your ex move on with someone 20 years your junior is very fucking hard, quiet dignity is often overrated but when kids are involved it's the sensible way to do things. Rants on Twitter help no one, proclaiming your love for your new young partner on Instagram helps no one.

To me it looks like both parents are currently failing their children.

In fairness my dp jokes about he hopes our kids, if we have them, don't have his nose. It could be a family joke that he started and was fine with it. Though i wouldn't make that joke in public about my own dp.

However, I believe its quite well known he wasn't a fan of her sharing private photos on social media. Also, if the reports of her abuse are true, it takes a darker twist.

Again, we really don't know both sides or the dynamic or what he thought of that particular photo.

Also I’ve just read about her apparently screaming at him (in her own words?) when he was FaceTiming their DD and from what I’ve read that was what he’d accused her of in an email which she denies.

I've already explained this earlier up the thread, AutumnIsTheBest – the email was from him asking her not to butt in on the FT calls and when she shared the email publicly she admitted she had done exactly that and screamed and ranted at him as she did it.

I asked for my post to be deleted as the Instagram link had my photo on.

But Alice posts a photo of Ioan hugging his daughter. The view is of his side profile. She posts

" A thing of beauty I know

The only thing we all secretly worry about is. Will she get his nose?

Ssshhhh"

So based on this snapshot of nastiness Team Ioan. Something about this woman doesn't sit right. She is treating how my ex treated me when I left and its awful yo be on the receiving end of that level of hatred

I am so glad there was no social media around when my ex cheated. I cringe inwardly at some of the things I did but it could have been so much worse with SM. I think I really was not acting rationally at the time.

I am not Team anyone and I think that everyone deals with a break-up in different ways. Sadly I think that posting on social media never makes it better although it may release some frustration at the time of posting,

@Nyxs

In fairness my dp jokes about he hopes our kids, if we have them, don't have his nose. It could be a family joke that he started and was fine with it. Though i wouldn't make that joke in public about my own dp.

However, I believe its quite well known he wasn't a fan of her sharing private photos on social media. Also, if the reports of her abuse are true, it takes a darker twist.

Again, we really don't know both sides or the dynamic or what he thought of that particular photo.

I think that's OK. It's his nose. But if he posted publicly about your nose for social media likes, that would be more sinister I think

I’m not team either of them. The truth will lie somewhere between the two parties, like it usually does. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors in any relationship.

Im not on instagram but I feel bad for her that she wont stop publicising how hard this has hit her. She will wake up one day and realise that she has family, friends, wealth, health, a lovely home, freedom to do what she likes, and yet, everybody feels sorry for her.

I wonder if he is 'ghosting' her because of her mental health which clearly has been very poor for a very long time. The tone of her Instagram a few years ago even then was someone who was very needy and insecure and possibly drinking too much. Constantly seeking validation. I suspect that she has been unable to accept his retreat from the marriage and it has precipitated some sort of personality disorder. She is clearly taking a lot of medication. I think that addiction is at play here because she is really out of control. I feel so sorry for their children because they are the real losers.

@Cheeseandlobster I agree. However, my point was we don't know how he felt about that comment.

It could have been what he said when he saw the photo. He may have found it funny.

Again, we don't actually know any details about that one post or their feelings on it.

It does appear bad. It's not something I would do. But we don't know anything else.

I am not fan of hers and certainly don't think what she is doing is empowering or great. Just simply, that we don't know his take on that post. His take matters.

If it upset him then yes, it's awful. Especially if it's still up.

I also wonder if Alice is maybe using alcohol as a crutch to get her through this, many do. It could be responsible for her twitter actions etc.

She just goes too far, she even accused Tamsin outhwaite of knowing becayse she simply posted “amazing” in response to loan’s post, Alice roundly attacked her saying it meant Tamsin knew, saying wtf, they broke up a family and tamsins congratulating them and Tamsin would need to live with that for ever.

All the poor woman wrote was “ amazing,”

I feel bad for their kids. This is all so public and they aren't little 😢

Bluntness100 When I saw that I felt so sorry for TO. I also don't think she'd endorse a couple she knew to be cheating considering that was the cause of her marriage breaking up!

@Loudestcat14 I think given the fact he's an actor with a reputation protect makes it incredibly unlikely that he'd ever hold his hands up to having cheated. He'll be very well versed in good PR and I suspect counselled to wait 'a respectable' amount of time before going public with a new girlfriend. That does not however mean that there was no overlap between both women, just that he's too savvy to admit to it!

Totally on his side. She has no evidence whatsoever that he has cheated. She's been vile since he left her, just because he chose to. She's lost the plot and I sincerely hope she gets some help soon.

No PR? The prolonged Twitter absence followed by a coordinated photo post by Ioan and Bianca? Do you really believe there’s no PR team behind him? Don’t be so naive people!

I think that was awful, how she attacked Tamsin Outhwaite. Nothing short of bullying really.

This woman is publicly unravelling. There is nothing heroic in what she is doing. It's very sad to watch and all those people cheering her on to 'tell her truth', have you stopped and considered the long term consequences to this woman if she carries on this way. She is handing him a strong case for parental alienation on a platter, very publicly. If he goes down the route of seeking full custody on that basis and drags her through the court, this woman could sink further and end up hurting herself.

This isn't a rally cry for wronged women everywhere, this is a woman imploding in full public view. She's not well and needs space to heal.

@problembottom

No PR? The prolonged Twitter absence followed by a coordinated photo post by Ioan and Bianca? Do you really believe there’s no PR team behind him? Don’t be so naive people!

Again, where's your proof he's cheated????

[quote Aria2015]@Loudestcat14 I think given the fact he's an actor with a reputation protect makes it incredibly unlikely that he'd ever hold his hands up to having cheated. He'll be very well versed in good PR and I suspect counselled to wait 'a respectable' amount of time before going public with a new girlfriend. That does not however mean that there was no overlap between both women, just that he's too savvy to admit to it! [/quote]
Or it could that Alice is just wrong.

She has already claimed it was different timeliness, because she doesn't actually know.

It could be an affair. It also may it be an affair. We don't know.

I feel sorry for the kids, Alice has tweeted that she’s using her 12 year-old as a therapist (“I had to go and find Ella so she could talk me down” - she literally tweeted this and sees nothing wrong with it) and Ioan has been absent for huge chunks of their life even pre-divorce.

I strongly recommend that people check out the Tattle threads about them, Alice has a nasty habit of “tweet and delete” and they’ve archived all of her tweets going back long before all this kicked off. She’s never been a reliable narrator or particularly stable — she tweeted threatening suicide about 3 years ago after an incredibly minor disagreement with an even more minor Twitter celeb. There’s a YouTube video somewhere of a bump that she had while driving (a good few years ago) and it escalated into a huge blow-up with the other driver. The YouTube comments were not kind to Alice, and her ELDEST DAUGHTER (then aged 10?) came into the YT comments to tell people to stop being mean to her mum.

The girls are given an inappropriate level of uncensored access to the internet (Instagram accounts from age 5, anyone?) and I can guarantee that the eldest daughter is absolutely keeping an eye on her mums Twitter feed. Ioan will have known this, which makes his IG post with the new girlfriend even worse than it already was with the pointed jab at Alice in the caption.

In summary: everyone’s an asshole here, except the kids and no one seems to be giving a shit about them even though they’re the ones who will pay the price for this trauma later in life.

[quote Nyxs]@Cheeseandlobster I agree. However, my point was we don't know how he felt about that comment.

It could have been what he said when he saw the photo. He may have found it funny.

Again, we don't actually know any details about that one post or their feelings on it.

It does appear bad. It's not something I would do. But we don't know anything else.

I am not fan of hers and certainly don't think what she is doing is empowering or great. Just simply, that we don't know his take on that post. His take matters.

If it upset him then yes, it's awful. Especially if it's still up.[/quote]
Yes that's a fair point. Perhaps it is a funny family joke. I guess I just think, what happens if she does get his nose and starts to think that's a bad thing? It's bloody hard being a teenager without having your mother mocking something about your face, albeit indirectly. The nose suits Ioan. He is a handsome man and no doubt the nose will also look beautiful on his daughter. But it isn't something she should have to think about based on what her mother posts on social media or says at home.

I couldn't give a shit if he cheated and she feels betrayed M. They are adults, this stuff happens all the time and they can both well afford therapy to sort out their own problems.

What is absolutely unforgivable is dragging their poor poor kids through this quagmire of Daily Mail exclusives and utter vindictive nastiness.

They don't need to know all this and the definitely don't need their friends reading all the sordid details of their parents marriage breakdown.

Someone needs to have a sharp word with both of them (especially her) and tell them to get their priorities straight pronto.

@Tokyotammy

I think that was awful, how she attacked Tamsin Outhwaite. Nothing short of bullying really.

This woman is publicly unravelling. There is nothing heroic in what she is doing. It's very sad to watch and all those people cheering her on to 'tell her truth', have you stopped and considered the long term consequences to this woman if she carries on this way. She is handing him a strong case for parental alienation on a platter, very publicly. If he goes down the route of seeking full custody on that basis and drags her through the court, this woman could sink further and end up hurting herself.

This isn't a rally cry for wronged women everywhere, this is a woman imploding in full public view. She's not well and needs space to heal.

I agree with this. She needs to come off social media for a while I think. This isn't healthy for her or for her girls whom she is probably damaging emotionally with what she is publicly posting. Someone else said it leaves her daughters wide open to bullying as kids can be incredibly cruel. Add a painful divorce into the mix and her children may well need therapy themselves in the future as a result of what is going on now.

This woman is publicly unravelling. There is nothing heroic in what she is doing. It's very sad to watch and all those people cheering her on to 'tell her truth', have you stopped and considered the long term consequences to this woman if she carries on this way. She is handing him a strong case for parental alienation on a platter, very publicly. If he goes down the route of seeking full custody on that basis and drags her through the court, this woman could sink further and end up hurting herself. This isn't a rally cry for wronged women everywhere, this is a woman imploding in full public view. She's not well and needs space to heal.

Absolutely agree with this. And she doesn't have proof of an affair.