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Can't cope with husbands moods.

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Shutupyoutart · 27/10/2021 21:09

Hi sorry this will prob be long. My husband and I are having some problems he has terrible bad moods on a regular basis where he is just grumpy all day long sometimes it's for no reason (seemingly) sometimes it's a reaction to something thats gone wrong in the day or the kids stressing him out or I've said he doesn't like etc. He can't be brought out of it when he's like it and it's bringing me down. He admits he's been depressed for years but "has coped with it this long and will continue to do so" won't get help or even discuss it. He's always moody and often rude to my family none of them have any time for him anymore,the other day he accused me of pulling away when he tries to show me affection but it's cos in his eyes it always leads to sex so I put the defense up when he does atm I just don't want sex I'm exhausted and touched out and fed up with being hassled by him for it . I don't feel listened to or valued or appreciated and whenever I try to talk about it he goes quiet and moody and defensive. Feel so sad tonight :(

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billy1966 · 28/10/2021 09:16

OP,

You sound like such a lovely woman.

You are not prepared yet to face just how awful your husband is.

He is definitely abusive and he is a sex pest.

It's ok that you are not ready to face it, but just please stick closely to your family.

Confide in your family.
You will need their support when you do face it and inevitably want to separate.

You love your children far too much to put up with him spoiling their childhood.

Stay close to your family.

Flowers
JovialNickname · 28/10/2021 09:51

When he says he's "coped with it this long and will continue to do so" well he's not, is he? Everyone else is having to cope with it, he isn't. He's behaving however he wants, and exercising no self control or restraint over his grumpiness and moodiness, and excusing this by saying it's depression. (Which maybe it is). Meanwhile everyone else in the household has to suck it up. That's not coping at all. So, he needs some better coping mechanisms that don't involve him being as rude as he likes and everyone else having to deal with it.

Shutupyoutart · 28/10/2021 12:19

Thank you billy that's very kind of you. :) No worries about me not sticking with my family I couldn't get rid of them if I wanted to 🤣 we are all very close and always have each others backs even though they can be full on .

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Shutupyoutart · 28/10/2021 12:23

@jovialnickname thank you. I said all of those things to him that he isn't coping with it and it's affecting everyone he said he's been like it all his life and it isn't going to change overnight he's tried a shrink (his word) and it didn't help. It is honestly like banging my head of a brick wall

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TheWatersofMarch · 28/10/2021 13:44

Clinical Depression (feeling low for no obvious reason) is usually self limiting and goes away in 2 or 3 years even without treatment. If his moodiness is caused by something else - unhappiness with his life, a means to control what others around him do or say, or a way of being that has become a habit he needs to know that you and your children cannot and will not tolerate this. It's bad for all of you (including him). Would he come for conning with you?

billy1966 · 28/10/2021 13:47

Don't bang your head too hard, it's a waste of energy.

You need to focus on your children and yourself.

Focus on what returning to work would look like.

What practical support your family can offer.

We can't change anyone but ourselves.

IMO the truth is it is bloody difficult to change things about ourselves we don't like, even when we really want to.

It takes huge effort.

I don't believe changing others is achievable at all.

I think it is a complete waste of time.

Focus on yourself.
That is where your energy can achieve results.

Flowers
Shutupyoutart · 28/10/2021 14:07

It's interesting actually that you say that my mum has expressed before that she thinks hes just so used to being moody that it's become a habit. I think it's more than that personally but see why she thinks it. They hardly ever see the nice side of him and mostly think he's a miserable arsehole. Yes you are right billy I need to focus on myself I've told him that I'm going to start going to my exercise class again and walking I really enjoyed it don't know why I stopped.

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Shutupyoutart · 28/10/2021 14:10

The children are my top priority here I need to get this right because I don't want to mess them up they mean everything to me and hearing everyone say how this will be affecting them is hard to hear I do my best to keep them happy and safe but I'm sure my eldest knows I'm not happy she's very bright and mature for her age.

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billy1966 · 28/10/2021 14:58

You are a good mum and I have no doubt that you are doing your best to protect them, though it is impossible to do.

People like your husband only change through self interest IMO.

Not for you, not for the children, himself.

The very best things you can do is exactly as you have written above.

Return to your exercise class.
Go walking regularly.
Detach from him emotionally.
Do not make any effort to spend time with him.
Keep the children busy doing things with you when possible.
Call out his moodiness when it happens.
As in " oh you are in one of your moods?we will leave you to it.
Or "best we go out on our own as your mood wi spoil it for the children". Or in front of the children "daddy is in a mood, leave him alone".

Shine a light on it.
Spend as much time as possible going to visit your family, this will be good for the children.

If he gets nasty, pack up the children and bring them to your parents for a visit as you want them away from HIS nastiness.

Show him that you are going to live your life without him.

Is he a moody prick with his colleagues?
Most likely not.

He saves that for his wife and children, like most abusive pricks.

I realise that you may think I am being harsh but I am a lot older than you and allowing men to behave badly an rule the house with their moods NEVER ends well.

Just re read this thread and let it all percolate in your head and perhaps it will give some tools to deal with him.

His behaviour will kill your love and marriage and as for sex, he can forget it.

When the time is right you need to spell it out for him, your realisation that the marriage will not survive his decision to NOT give a shit how his awful behaviour is affecting the rest of the house.

Keep posting.
It is very good for you to write your thought process down and see how it evolves for you.
Flowers

Shutupyoutart · 29/10/2021 09:12

Billy thank you for the support I really appreciate it ❤️I largely felt better yesterday met my friend for a walk with our dogs chatted a little to her about things but didn't say too much. Now today I just feel confused and off again. When I came back from my walk he had bathed the kids, he took our Ds to bed as usual and I took littlest dd to bed she's still breastfeeding @ 2 and a half and think this is a lot to do with why my sex drive is so out of whack atm. Anyway I come out from taking her to bed and he's lit the fire cos I said I was cold and ran me a hot bath all good even tho I said I wasn't going for a shower til the morning after the bath I go down stairs to warm living room and we sit and watch tv semi dressed, he asked for a cuddle I say ok so we sit cuddling on the couch watching our tv series we both like when he starts creeping, stroking my legs etc clearly initiating sex I say I'm not in the mood for sex but we can stay cuddling he says it's fine but can already see the difference in affection even tho he still has arm around me. I just feel suffocated atm I understand he's prob feeling really rejected cos sometimes I feel and prob look a bit ,🙄when he's asking for hugs cos I know that's where it will likely lead and most of the time when he picks these moments Its literally the first time all flipping day that I have had space to myself or my body to myself. I dunno I'm thinking it's just me and I'm just being cold and distant and I don't want to hurt him but feel if he just took sex of the table and stop making me feel pressured I would want to instigate it more, things are ok between as atm and he wasn't outwardly sulking or anything but could still see he was hurt by the rejection. Sorry I'm prob rambling just trying to process.

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Shutupyoutart · 30/10/2021 22:31

Is anyone there to talk? I feel so low tonight :(

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1MillionDollars · 30/10/2021 22:50

I'll talk. Might not be the best person though

1MillionDollars · 30/10/2021 22:51

What's up, what's going on?

1MillionDollars · 30/10/2021 22:52

What are you feeling?

NowEvenBetter · 30/10/2021 22:52

I was made to endure an environment like this growing up, messed me up for life. Can you focus on getting your kids away from this awful man and his abuse, rather than analysing him. The focus is solely on this abuser, not the kids who have no choice but to live in this tense, awful place.

1MillionDollars · 30/10/2021 22:53

I did do level 1 counselling course, so I'll do my best to listen.

MummyPigsKnickers · 30/10/2021 22:53

Are you ok OP? x

NowEvenBetter · 30/10/2021 22:53

(I wish someone had saved me from my mothers inaction. Threads like this are so depressing and enraging that other kids are having to endure what I had to :( )

iveleft40 · 30/10/2021 23:21

Hi op.

I wanted to reply to your thread because I've read jt and my situation is scarily similar to yours.

The only difference is I've left.

I'm currently typing this at my mums house, sharing a double bed with 2 of my dcs while my other ds is asleep in the spare room.

My situation

  • I'm a sahm
  • my eldest has asd (he is from a previous relationship)
  • H had a terrible childhood
  • Pointblank refuses counselling. He so desperately needs it.
  • He is constantly moody, stressed, snapping at me. I tip toe around him trying to make sure the dcs don't annoy him.
  • He reminds me every day that he goes to work and he's tired and stressed....but he provides. It's like I should treat him as some sort of God that he provides for us. I do appreciate it but he does F**k all to help me with the kids. I get it every single day.
  • Hes also a gambling addict, 2 dcs from a previous relationship who I do most care for (because you know, he goes to work), does nothing but gamble and watch football when he's not working (because you know, he leaves the house at 7am and gets back at 5.30 - he's so tired - never mind the fact that youngest dc is a terrible sleeper and I haven't slept in years)

We've been together 6 years. I've posted so many similar posts to yours over the years. And like you, never thought it was abuse....because sometimes he can be nice. Sometimes he can be loving and affectionate. Sometimes I'm happy with him!

But he can also shout at me. Like days before and after I've given birth. Like when my asd son can say something he doesn't like....I'd get the silent treatment for days. I have so many examples. He also treats his own mum in the same way.

I've left a few times before, always gone back.

I've posted on here soooo many times and never liked the responses even though they are true. Then, like you, id find myself defending him even thought I started a post saying how unhappy I was with him.

Now I've left. We have a lot to sort out, I have no idea where I'm going to live or what the hell im going to do but I know I cannot continue with it. I just can't.

It's very hard op, I won't lie. There's a voice inside my head telling me I should go back....that he can change. That I need to be stricter and put my foot down. He loves to walk all over me

He will never change. Like your H, he refuses therapy. He refuses anti depressants.

What more can I do? Nothing. He won't change. I don't want a life of misery and feeling scared. I don't want that for my kids either.

He thinks it's all my fault. That's fine. He can think that to make himself feel better.

I hope you can find some courage op. Only he can change how he is.

I'm just a little bit further ahead than you in the story - and im telling you that you don't deserve this and neither do your kids.

And just to add - my kids are fine. Granted H isnt my old dcs dad but we have still left our home. Are they sad? No not really.

My youngest dc is with H. He's only 3. He's asked for daddy twice but I just tell him daddy is working....as we all know daddy works hard for us and he's the reason we have a house and food on the table. H makes us very aware of that every single day!

Lots of love and I hope you are ok x

billy1966 · 31/10/2021 01:38

@iveleft40

Well done you👏

Yes it is hard and scary but the reward of peace for you and your children is enormous.

The OP's husband is a bullying, controlling, sex pest.

He's not going to change but it might take a while to fully accept that.

The OP is a lovely woman who wants to think the best but like you, will come to a point where she just will no longer be able to bear what this will inevitably do to her children.

My friend grew up in a house with a moody father and she left home for university and stayed away.

She had her first child and her parents came to visit one day and her father was moody with her toddler.

She TOTALLY lost is with him and told him some home truths, which included if he so much as said boo around her toddler she wouldn't ever see him again.

She was short with her mother too who had accepted him being that way her whole childhood.

Her mother also was very upset with him and he never behaved like that again around her, but she deliberately stayed LC, the least she could see of both her parents.

The association with her childhood was not pleasant despite her living ina lovely home etc.
The atmosphere ruined her childhood.
Her father's moods ruined her childhood.

It simply can't be underestimated.

Well done for leaving.Flowers

Hillfarmer · 31/10/2021 01:20

Goodness OP, you sound lovely and you do sound like you’ve lost track of what a loving relationship should be like.

[Apologies in advance for ridiculous huge message]

I too was in a marriage with a ‘moody man’ (who I was devoted to) with small dcs. I was also devoted to them, as it happens. I spent a number of years trying to cheer him up, pander to his moods, desperately analysing his childhood and his needs and wondering why I wasn’t happy, I tried to make sure things were nice and cheery for the kids, but he was sullen, contemptuous, critical. He tried to alienate me from my family and friends - told me they didn’t really like me. He’d ruin holidays, outings, time with friends. The list of people he seemed to like got shorter and shorter. He was incredibly critical of my parenting - he acted as if I didn’t care about their welfare, which shocked and upset me…as well as leaving me in a heap of confusion. He would humiliate me when I was driving so I would become a nervous wreck in the car with him. I was/am a good driver, but I would be fearful of being trapped in a car with him, whoever was driving. If I was ever ill, he was horrible to me because he had to sort out the dcs. I developed a stammer. Everything in the house revolved around his mood and me trying to second-guess or smooth things out around him. I was deeply unhappy and I couldn’t enjoy the simple pleasures of parenting our beloved babies. And…after all that…I can safely say I didn’t, at that time, consider myself to be in an abusive relationship.

What a caring partner should be doing is moving heaven and earth so their their depression/bad feelings/whatever did not negatively impact on you or the children, he should be conscience-stricken to think that his state of mind is causing you to be so unhappy and putting a black cloud of misery over the whole family. He should be agreeing to go to his GP and do whatever they recommend to get him out of this. He should be bloody grateful that you have been so patient while he has been such a shit.

But he’s not is he? He knows you’re unhappy - he doesn’t care. His depression or whatever it is is having a hugely detrimental effect on your state of mind and your ability to care for the children, and hell, your ability even to enjoy your children. He doesn’t care about that. He is contemptuous of you. He is contemptuous of your family. His contempt and spite oozes from him. And then to top it off he feels entitled to use you as a receptacle for sex as if, somehow, against all the odds, you might want to voluntarily caress the man who is effectively torturing you.

Don’t keep trying to work out why he does this. Maybe he was mistreated, who knows? He’s certainly managing to take it out on you and, in turn, the children,

‘Moody’ is not a good enough word for this… but let’s go with it for now. Whether you want to admit or not, his ‘moods’ control your day. What’s he going to wake up like? Angry, silent, sulking or ok? If he’s ok, you’ve already spent some emotional energy worrying which person he will be today. And then when he comes home - which one’s going to be walking in the door. Mr Stonyface or the Bathrunner? Not sure which is worse to be honest.

His moods set the weather for all of you. Your daily life is determined by this person - it is controlled by his ‘moods’. You are being treated very badly. He doesn’t care. In fact he acts like he hates you.

I think the penny will drop with you soon. If he acts like he hates you, and doesn’t care how that hurts you (and let’s face it, that would cut most people to the core)…then I think you have to accept that whatever he feels for you is not love. If he loved you he would be devastated that he was doing this to you. But he’s not. He actually feels ok with it. He is not caring for you. This is not love OR care. If I asked my XDH he would say he loved:me - but it didn’t add up, nothing he did or said aside from that demonstrated anything but contempt.

I don’t want this all to be about me, but your story seems so familiar. Your feelings are absolutely human and straightforward in this situation. But you are not responsible for making him a better person. He won’t become a better partner for you. He won’t be a very nice ex-partner, but you can stop living with him and your children can stop living with this joy-sucker.

And yes, as others have said - HE will be the one leaving the family home, not you and the 4 dcs. When MN says ‘leave him’ it’s not generally a literal walkout of the front door. What it means is that, however sadly and however many broken dreams go with it, your relationship is on its last legs. You do need to save yourself here. And save your dcs from witnessing you being ground down to nothing. They don’t deserve that. You’re the best parent here, you definitely need to show them what that means for them.

Abuse seems such a strong term. I found it difficult to accept, but he nearly destroyed me. Your family sound fantastic by the way. I love the fact that he could be as rude and obnoxious as he liked, but they weren’t going to be moved from your side. Huge salute to them.

Best of luck.

Shutupyoutart · 31/10/2021 06:59

Thank you all so much for your replies, dd woke up and then I ended up falling asleep last night.I've read and re read all of your posts and am taking them all in. @iveletf40 wow well done you. I'm in awe of you, I don't think I'm quite strong enough to leave and I still am constantly back and forth about whether it's me being over sensitive to certain things and not as bad as I'm making it out and the the other side of me thinks no it shouldn't be like this.. I don't think all the blame lays at his feet I am far from perfect and can also be very ill tempered with him usually when I've reached breaking point but them in left feeling like shit and apologize when I'm in the wrong which he never does btw. Hardly ever. I know you all think he's abusive and perhaps he is but I don't think it's intentional I know that doesn't matter though it's having a negative impact on our family. Nothing in particular happened really I took dd1 and 2 to the park with dd1s friend, my mum bro sister and niece called in to see me and got him so they called down to the park and mentioned he barely spoke to mum didn't speak to my bro or sis at all. We had a chat and my sister told me she's here for me if I ever want to talk. Anyway I went home spent the rest of the day at the house with all the kids doing halloweeny things. After Ds went to bed, I'm sat downstairs with the 2 older dds and the baby watching a movie he comes in and see can I see u for a min..brings me upstairs and u guessed it he ran me a bath! Only this time he wanted us both to go in it together. I said it wasn't really the Right time with three kids downstairs and he was like well when is it the right time then. I said is this because your expecting sex and he said something like I've given up expecting that. We had sex less than 2 weeks ago. Less than 2 weeks! You would swear he had gone a fucking year without and before that it was once a week at least. The only difference is I've stopped doing it when not in the mood to keep him happy! I'm just so confused about my own feelings and worried that I'm overthinking things or that it's just me..my own mental health feels very fragile atm. I feel sad for my children feel like he doesn't praise them enough,I've had multiple talks with him about this. I've also had multiple talks about how I need to feel close emotionally to want physical intimacy. I've told him before how rude he is (and it's not just to my family either btw he's not outwardly rude but ignoring someone who comes into our home is as bad imo) I just feel like I'm not getting anywhere and that he just sees me as a nag. He never compliments me, we've been together 12 years and he's never once called me beautiful (I'm not I know but it is hurtful) not to say I've never had anything nice said to me by him. I'm finding it so hard because you are all tearing him to pieces and it makes me feel awful because I know he has some lovely traits as well and he never lets people see it or seldomly anyway.. but at the same time you are all echoing things that I have felt and thought countless times to myself. I'm so confused and sad.

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Shutupyoutart · 31/10/2021 07:11

@nowevenbetter I can assure you my kids are my primary focus. Now and always. I can not just up and leave I have to make sure it's the right thing to do. I have to make sure I can support them financially,it's not that straight forward I'm not so much analysing him as trying to make it all make sense in my own head this is the first time anyone has used the word abuse and until now it hasn't felt like that please try not to judge me or insinuate that my children are not put first because anything can be further from the Truth everything I do I do with my children in mind. I'm very sorry for what you had to endure as a child x

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Shutupyoutart · 31/10/2021 07:14

Nothing not anything sorry for all the typos and bad Grammer lol it's early and I'm only on my second cuppa

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Snog · 31/10/2021 07:50

Sulking is emotional abuse and has no place in a healthy relationship. Maybe you could call this out and say you are not willing to tolerate it.