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Hand hold needed - call off engagement?

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blueblueelectricblue28 · 21/10/2021 11:43

I need some help and I don't know where to turn. I'll try and keep it as brief as possible. I've got tears streaming down my face writing this.

Both 30, together nearly 5 years, engaged 4 months. Wedding booked for next summer.

I've spent the last 4 days in tears after an incident at the weekend over Sunday pub lunch with friends - conversation was lively/people talking over each other a little, as can happen. I cut in as he opened his mouth (doesn't sound great written down but in the context of the group and conversation wasn't such a faux pas) and he said, loudly "will you LET ME SPEAK" to me. The whole table went silent and no one knew where to look. it was so humiliating. He also got into an argument with the staff as they needed the table back and he didn't want to move. When we got home I was so upset, this turned into an argument with him shouting at me to SHUT THE FUCK UP so I left the flat and walked around for a couple of hours holding back the tears. I just wanted to run away.

A week before we got engaged we were waiting for an Uber which was having difficulty finding us (due to roadworks) and I ordered it on my phone. He got impatient, snapped and said "stop being a cunt!". I spent the whole journey in the car frozen with fear and when I got home I went into the bedroom and squeezed myself into a small space between two bits of furniture where I felt safe and hidden. I can't explain that, it sounds like such a mad thing to do but I wanted to hide myself away in a small space and not come out. Less than a week later he proposed to me and I have to admit my gut feeling when I saw the ring was "its not right". I feel that I got so swept up with everyone else's celebrations and happiness around it I didn't check in with myself to ask if it was right for me. My parents had an unhappy marriage and I have had difficulty with my boundaries in the past. I've also stopped taking recreational drugs after several years so have revised a lot of my friendships with that in mind (I am so happy to be clean, but feel a bit more isolated because of it, so don't have as many people around me to lean on in the event of a break up TBH)

I could go on. He pushed me out of the room with both hands a few months ago too. Said it was my fault, I'd driven him to it (as I always seem to) He has quite hot headed and will often tell me to fuck off, shut up, raise his voice or slam doors when we argue. he did call me a cunt once before and I said I would leave if he spoke to me like that again... well I guess the joke's on me now.

We've had sex once in the 4 months we've been engaged, this has been a bone of contention for a couple of years as he just isn't interested in me (he's been stressed/tired/on AD's which I realise can be a problem but nothing's been done to fix it)
Sex has to be on his terms with both of us fully showered and at a time he wants it, it always follows the same pattern and feels quite formulaic. I've tried to suggest new things but he's refused. Usually happens about once every 2-4 weeks. I feel like I'm wasting away here, sex and intimacy is so important to me, and I long to share that with someone else.
I was abused sexually in the past so initially a partner who wasn't pestering me for sex all the time was quite refreshing but its become apparent it isn't right for me.

I know I need to leave but I lack the confidence to do it - finding somewhere new to live seems so daunting, living independently, starting over, dividing up our things, losing friends, not to mention the calling off of the wedding, letting guests know, cancelling suppliers etc. Additionally I feel so afraid of "losing face" as we have had so much love and excitement from people around the wedding and to rip the plaster off and deal with the inevitable upset and feelings of shame and failure feels terrifying.

He knows something is up and I am having doubts about the marriage. He's trying to make it better by booking us a weekend away, coming off AD's to kick start his libido but its just too little too late and I want out.
When I think of us separated, or him with someone else, I can't stop crying, we have had many happy memories aside from the bad times and he has helped me through some difficulties which have been painful, so I feel completely torn.
He earns much more than me so pays the majority of the rent and I see a psychotherapist once a week which he covers 50% of. I am worried about how this could change if we separate. She has been amazing and a real comfort to me.

Additionally, I have been talking to another man and getting close to him. He knows the situation and while I think he might be a red herring and I am not looking to be "saved" by another man, it has been a real eye opener to feel desired and wanted again by someone and to be validated that the current situation isn't right.

Downloaded the Lundy Bancroft book I see so often recommended on here and although I am finding it tough to read (as it makes it all "real") a lot of lights are turning on in my head.

Sorry for the extremely long post, I'd really welcome any thoughts and please be gentle with me, it's all such a mess and I'm really hurting.

OP posts:
Sicario · 26/10/2021 21:50

And I would recommend you block him as soon as you feel able to. Phone, email, social media, everything.

JaniceBing · 26/10/2021 21:52

You've done the right thing OP. Please believe us all who are rooting for you. He is being nice now but give it a little longer until he realises how serious and firm you are in your decision- the real him will quickly be revealed once again. You have 100% made the right decision. Keep busy, keep posting here and keep reading what everyone here is telling you. Don't give your doubts any oxygen. Lots of love xxxx and WELL DONE

thisplaceisweird · 26/10/2021 22:03

Plans for tomorrow:

Eat nourishing food
Have a giggle with your friend
Call the bank and get off your joint account
Block him on everything you can think of

Holothane · 26/10/2021 22:08

Get h9ld of the bank as soon as.

Teacupsandtoast · 26/10/2021 22:12

Freeze your account tonight.

Do not reply. Do not go back. I actually feel a little sick that he's being so blatantly manipulative....absolutely do not return because there's no guarantee you will safely get out again.

Can he get in to your place of work? I'd be having a serious chat with your boss and making sure everyone knows the situation

girlmom21 · 26/10/2021 22:12

He won't be angry until he's got you back where he wants you.
Then the anger and punishment will start.

When you feel like you can't turn back to your friend after you've gone back to him.

He'll alienate you from them because he'll convince you they're treating him differently now. That they don't like him and it's your fault because of the things you've told them.

Don't go back. You've done brilliantly by leaving.

Hopeisallineed · 26/10/2021 22:19

You’ve totally done the right thing. You’ve got this.

ChaToilLeam · 26/10/2021 22:33

If you feel wobbly, just read your first post again. Him making out that he is devastated now is just a tactic to reel you back in and it doesn’t cancel out all the abuse he gave to you. Be strong!! You are free of him!

ChaToilLeam · 26/10/2021 22:35

And yes, get out of any jointly held accounts asap - this Mr Nice Guy act won’t last.

Pinkbonbon · 26/10/2021 23:21

@blueblueelectricblue28

I just got this message now after being on tenterhooks all night:

“Honey I’m devastated. I’m heart broken. I haven’t cried as much in my life.

As much as I’m devastated I respect your decision. You need your space from me and/ or the company of friends. I don’t want you to feel at a loose end with somewhere to stay. This is your flat as it is mine. I’ll make myself scarce tomorrow and won’t come back without mentioning it to you ahead of time.

I love you forever and always xxx”

I actually wish he was angry or had messaged me with a load of abuse as that would make it so much easier. I can’t go back there, I’ll never be able to relax knowing he has a key, please please tell me I did the right thing.

You did the right thing.

And never go back there, it's a trap.
Plus, really creepy.

He thinks you are stupid and will go back. When ge realises in a few days/weeks that's not happening, he will change tactics.

ThreeImaginaryBoys · 26/10/2021 23:50

Well done OP. Stay strong.

@yellowpigeons Please start your own thread so we can support you. Sending love ❤️

nutmegsteddytoes · 27/10/2021 00:05

You so have done the right thing-his message is just manipulation.
Know with each day ,it'll get easier and in time,happier.
Xx

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 27/10/2021 00:20

This is the playbook.

  1. Be nice (reel her back in)
  2. Be suicidal (scare her back in)
  3. Be aggressive (force her back in)
Repeat (but go light on the nice) until you find another woman
beautifulview · 27/10/2021 05:56

Well done. You did it. Keep posting here for support. Don’t go back. You deserve better than being treated like that

nolongersurprised · 27/10/2021 07:23

You have done the right thing.

and when I got home I went into the bedroom and squeezed myself into a small space between two bits of furniture where I felt safe and hidden

If you stay and have children, imagine doing this with a child in your arms?

Silenceisgreat · 27/10/2021 07:28

You have definitely done the right thing.
Get your bank account sorted today.
Good luck.

sallyanne33 · 27/10/2021 07:57

In that message he’s acting like it’s a done deal that you’ll go back, like you just needed some space temporarily. Show him you mean business. He’s not hearing you or caring about how you feel. Block him on everything so he can’t get in your head. Well done you, you’ll look back on this time in future and be so grateful you listened to your gut and got out.

LadyLuLou · 27/10/2021 08:41

That's classic hoovering there OP. He's being nice for now but it won't last when he realises you are serious about going.

It's quite chilling how calculated that message is when you read the sub text. He's trying to get you to come back and then you're isolated and vulnerable. He would then engineer a situation where he just had to drop in for a laptop or something, or bombard you with texts saying he need to come back to get x,y or z. Then he'd be back in the door.

Don't wobble OP. His anger will come soon and then you'll see the mask slip. Stay strong Flowers

EdgeOfTheSky · 27/10/2021 09:20

The weaselly little bastard.

I hate to say it but he might actually be relieved that you have broken it off, but gets to guilt trip you and he be the noble one on the moral high ground, ‘respecting your decision’ indeed! Didn’t show you much respect before, did he?

Anyway, whatever his agenda, no you absolutely cannot / must not go back.

Leave enough money in the joint account to pay half the November rent (if you can) and tell the bank you want to come off that account. He could run up an overdraft on it!

Then send a message: I will not be returning to the flat. And block him.

Maybe set up an e mail address specifically and only to communicate with him about any outstanding admin, if necessary, and block him from everything else.

Then you could, if you felt you needed to, ask your friend to check that e mail account before you read any messages. At the very least you can choose when to check it and not fear him intruding in your day to day messages etc.

ToffeeNotCoffee · 27/10/2021 10:12

Anyway, whatever his agenda, no you absolutely cannot / must not go back.

That's right. Not even for a visit. Not for old times' sake. No. Never. No wheedling, whining or threatening from him.

I too suspect he's not that bothered that it's over. His pride might be bothered that you left him but that's about it.

However, like others, I wait for the fury and/or emotional manipulation to start. When he realises that you are not coming back.

Also, do not agree to meet him on neutral ground. Ever. Under any circumstances.

WoodyBrambles · 27/10/2021 12:48

@blueblueelectricblue28 I haven’t previously commented but I’ve followed your post since the beginning. Yesterday I couldn’t stop thinking about you. I’m SO proud and impressed that you’ve left, well done! ❤️

Pinkbonbon · 27/10/2021 13:18

Absolutely agree that you shouldn't meet him anywhere 'neutral' either. He will likely try and convince you you 'owe' him this. You do not. He lost any right to an in person split up the second he started becoming abusive.

Don't even reply.
Don't give him any opportunity to poison you further.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 27/10/2021 14:09

He's not even taking you seriously Op. On reading that he clearly just thinks you're " having a moment" and you'll be back. Silly girl he may as well have written.

You got out op, this time. Don't go back. Next time you might not get to leave.

P1ainJanine · 27/10/2021 14:18

You absolutely did the right thing. As painful as it is. Going back to the flat would leave you exposed to him just turning up and turning the emotional screws or getting physical again.

I'm sure his current seeming reasonableness is only going to last a short time. He'll try to persaude you. When that fails, he'll try to coerce you. Stay strong.

Flowers
VinylCafe · 27/10/2021 16:06

Well done for leaving, Op, I think you dodged a very large bullet.

You might want to be wary of mutual friends or any of his family. If you go to visit them, be sure to take someone you trust with you. My DM took us kids and ran away from my abusive dad (he used to get regularly drunk and beat her). Her SIL (my aunt) offered her some things that could help us and when my DM went over to collect them, my dad was hiding behind the door. My aunt just laughed and said "oh, he made me do it". After some extreme persuading, my DM went back to my dad. It was a year later that we successfully escaped him.

Good luck, Op, and stay strong.