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Hand hold needed - call off engagement?

325 replies

blueblueelectricblue28 · 21/10/2021 11:43

I need some help and I don't know where to turn. I'll try and keep it as brief as possible. I've got tears streaming down my face writing this.

Both 30, together nearly 5 years, engaged 4 months. Wedding booked for next summer.

I've spent the last 4 days in tears after an incident at the weekend over Sunday pub lunch with friends - conversation was lively/people talking over each other a little, as can happen. I cut in as he opened his mouth (doesn't sound great written down but in the context of the group and conversation wasn't such a faux pas) and he said, loudly "will you LET ME SPEAK" to me. The whole table went silent and no one knew where to look. it was so humiliating. He also got into an argument with the staff as they needed the table back and he didn't want to move. When we got home I was so upset, this turned into an argument with him shouting at me to SHUT THE FUCK UP so I left the flat and walked around for a couple of hours holding back the tears. I just wanted to run away.

A week before we got engaged we were waiting for an Uber which was having difficulty finding us (due to roadworks) and I ordered it on my phone. He got impatient, snapped and said "stop being a cunt!". I spent the whole journey in the car frozen with fear and when I got home I went into the bedroom and squeezed myself into a small space between two bits of furniture where I felt safe and hidden. I can't explain that, it sounds like such a mad thing to do but I wanted to hide myself away in a small space and not come out. Less than a week later he proposed to me and I have to admit my gut feeling when I saw the ring was "its not right". I feel that I got so swept up with everyone else's celebrations and happiness around it I didn't check in with myself to ask if it was right for me. My parents had an unhappy marriage and I have had difficulty with my boundaries in the past. I've also stopped taking recreational drugs after several years so have revised a lot of my friendships with that in mind (I am so happy to be clean, but feel a bit more isolated because of it, so don't have as many people around me to lean on in the event of a break up TBH)

I could go on. He pushed me out of the room with both hands a few months ago too. Said it was my fault, I'd driven him to it (as I always seem to) He has quite hot headed and will often tell me to fuck off, shut up, raise his voice or slam doors when we argue. he did call me a cunt once before and I said I would leave if he spoke to me like that again... well I guess the joke's on me now.

We've had sex once in the 4 months we've been engaged, this has been a bone of contention for a couple of years as he just isn't interested in me (he's been stressed/tired/on AD's which I realise can be a problem but nothing's been done to fix it)
Sex has to be on his terms with both of us fully showered and at a time he wants it, it always follows the same pattern and feels quite formulaic. I've tried to suggest new things but he's refused. Usually happens about once every 2-4 weeks. I feel like I'm wasting away here, sex and intimacy is so important to me, and I long to share that with someone else.
I was abused sexually in the past so initially a partner who wasn't pestering me for sex all the time was quite refreshing but its become apparent it isn't right for me.

I know I need to leave but I lack the confidence to do it - finding somewhere new to live seems so daunting, living independently, starting over, dividing up our things, losing friends, not to mention the calling off of the wedding, letting guests know, cancelling suppliers etc. Additionally I feel so afraid of "losing face" as we have had so much love and excitement from people around the wedding and to rip the plaster off and deal with the inevitable upset and feelings of shame and failure feels terrifying.

He knows something is up and I am having doubts about the marriage. He's trying to make it better by booking us a weekend away, coming off AD's to kick start his libido but its just too little too late and I want out.
When I think of us separated, or him with someone else, I can't stop crying, we have had many happy memories aside from the bad times and he has helped me through some difficulties which have been painful, so I feel completely torn.
He earns much more than me so pays the majority of the rent and I see a psychotherapist once a week which he covers 50% of. I am worried about how this could change if we separate. She has been amazing and a real comfort to me.

Additionally, I have been talking to another man and getting close to him. He knows the situation and while I think he might be a red herring and I am not looking to be "saved" by another man, it has been a real eye opener to feel desired and wanted again by someone and to be validated that the current situation isn't right.

Downloaded the Lundy Bancroft book I see so often recommended on here and although I am finding it tough to read (as it makes it all "real") a lot of lights are turning on in my head.

Sorry for the extremely long post, I'd really welcome any thoughts and please be gentle with me, it's all such a mess and I'm really hurting.

OP posts:
Holothane · 26/10/2021 17:43

Loads of hugs well done you’ll survive this, your worth so much and can have a wonderful life, ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️💐💐💐💐💐🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸🌸

honeygriff · 26/10/2021 17:46

Please call your engagement off. He's reminding me of my ex and that really didn't go well! I'm sure he will try to hoover you back in now with the weekend away. Whatever he's offering will not be worth it. He sounds narcissistic, he's displaying no empathy towards you this will not improve over time.

lisaandalan · 26/10/2021 18:02

You know it's not right move on it's what's best for you. It sounds to me with his erratic behaviour that he takes drugs still. X

MahMahMahMahCorona · 26/10/2021 18:08

You have done so so well and for your friend to have prepared your room for you at her home, warm and inviting, is lovely - and exactly how you should be treated in the future. Like you're worth something, you are a valuable person, you deserve to be treated.

Hour by hour is all you need to do at this stage. Maybe give your friend your phone if he decides to text you over and over. Much warmth coming your way.

2bazookas · 26/10/2021 18:10

Do what your gut is screaming in your ear, and leave him. Go to a friend or parent or travel lodge, just get out.

Be very glad you haven't married or committed yourself financially.

Now is not the time to start a new relationship with another man; sound s like straight from the frying pan into the fire.

You need time and space .Have a relationship with yourself first, until you're more confident and self assured.

girlmom21 · 26/10/2021 18:11

I'm so glad that you're out. Your friends sound absolutely wonderful!

lisaandalan · 26/10/2021 18:13

Hope you're okay. I'm glad you have left. Keep us posted, I wonder if he's home yet ? Did you leave a note in the end. ? X

Muchtoomuchtodo · 26/10/2021 18:28

Well done @blueblueelectricblue28. You’ve made the move now. Be prepared for him to try to continue to control and manipulate you. Keep confiding in those who you trust.
It’s bound to be a rocky ride but strap in and hold tight. You can do it xx

TheGirlCat · 26/10/2021 19:13

Please don't feel sorry for him. He never loved you, so he won't be hurting. The only thing that will 'hurt' is his pride, that his victim got away. He won't hurt on the human level you imagine because he is not capable of it, you need to care about the person to feel that, and all he will feel is a sense of irritation and wounded pride that his victim got away. He won't feel any actual human emotional 'hurt'.

TheGirlCat · 26/10/2021 19:15

Forgot to say good on you for having the self respect to leave. You have so many better times ahead of you. WineCakeCake

myheartskippedabeat · 26/10/2021 19:26

@blueblueelectricblue28

Sorry your in this situation bumpy why on earth have you wasted 5 years of your life and agreed to get engaged to someone so vile?

You deserve better

Thank goodness you found out before you got married - you'll be well rid

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 20:04

So pleased you are out and safe.

Definitely allow work to support you.

Keep posting.
We are all here for you.

Flowers
MyMoneyIsAllSpent · 26/10/2021 20:50

What you are going through is absolutely par for the course! I spent all my adult life with my ex! I still love him and care about him. He was abusive but I realise he couldn't help it. I know he did love me but I just couldn't live with him any longer. He has someone else now and I wish him well. I want him to be happy. (I don't think he's changed!). We get along very well and if I need help with anything he's there for me. I wish you all the best. 💐 That took some strength. Well done.

TripleSeptic · 26/10/2021 21:03

Please contact the bank and freeze the joint account. Unless something has changed, if one person notifies, the account is frozen. You don't have him upping the overdraft and drawing it down. He might not need the money, but he might know that he can get at you that way.

And, for what it's worth, don't worry about him being upset. My gut feeling is that he will be FURIOUS, rather than heartbroken. If he loved you, he wouldn't have treated you so badly ❤️

Queenie6655 · 26/10/2021 21:03

You poor thing

Well done

That is very very hard

Wise decision
Sadly in my experience it only got worse
No matter how hard I tried to help him xxxx

blueblueelectricblue28 · 26/10/2021 21:04

I just got this message now after being on tenterhooks all night:

“Honey I’m devastated. I’m heart broken. I haven’t cried as much in my life.

As much as I’m devastated I respect your decision. You need your space from me and/ or the company of friends. I don’t want you to feel at a loose end with somewhere to stay. This is your flat as it is mine. I’ll make myself scarce tomorrow and won’t come back without mentioning it to you ahead of time.

I love you forever and always xxx”

I actually wish he was angry or had messaged me with a load of abuse as that would make it so much easier. I can’t go back there, I’ll never be able to relax knowing he has a key, please please tell me I did the right thing.

OP posts:
qwertyuiop098 · 26/10/2021 21:11

You absolutely did the right thing and he is trying to play it extremely cleverly OP! He knows abuse and anger would have driven you further away and cemented your decision. He wants to play the nice guy, get you back in the flat and isolated from the good advice of your friends, then oops - he’ll need to just pop in and he’ll have you just where he wants you.

Sadly what he hasn’t counted on is just how STRONG you are and how you have the backing of the whole of mumsnet! You’ve got this, stay firm and block his messages so he can’t try to manipulate you anymore.

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 21:11

He knows well thatvhis behaviour is awful, but he realises also that he pushed you just that bit too far.

Whether it was his shouting at the lunch or just in general.

He realises that he has to pull back and try to suck you back in.

He is surprised but he knew he had to do something, hence the weekend.

I appreciate this is devastating for you, I really do but you were heading towards an abusive marriage and a life as a battered wife.

He has assaulted you before, that us who he is , a thug.

Of course he has moments when he's nice and can be charming, but he is still an abusive thug.

Flowers
Noshowlomo · 26/10/2021 21:12

You’ve done the right thing OP. Well done.
He’s being nice now but you know that would change. Have a nice sleep and know that you’re brave x

billy1966 · 26/10/2021 21:17

I don't for a minute believe that he wouldn't corner you in that flat and when you challenge him, I believe he is quite capable of seriously assaulting you.

He felt confident enough to shout at you in front of those that love you.

Abusive men, like him, are most dangerous when they are loosing control of their victim.

I would be very worried about you going near that flat again.

Remember how you felt when you hid.

Imagine that by 100 and you fearing for your life.

I am not being in the least bit dramatic.

I think he is a very dangerous man.

saleorbouy · 26/10/2021 21:20

You wouldn't stay friends with someone who spoke to you and treated you lime this so why would you want marry and start a family with this person.
Don't accept this behaviour and go and find someone who treats you with the respect you deserve.
Why start married life treating on egg shells in fear.
Calling it off is hard but your family and friends will understand and it time you will see that you have the strength to make the decision which in your head you know it right.

Queenie6655 · 26/10/2021 21:31

@billy1966

Yes agreed

This came into my mind too

Sadly speaking from experience

Muchtoomuchtodo · 26/10/2021 21:36

Freezing your joint account is a very good idea op

CheesecakeAddict · 26/10/2021 21:38

You did the right thing. Do not go back to that flat without someone there because I don't doubt for a second that he would just show up with some excuse. More than likely, he'll go through a stage now of being overly lovely to try and win you back and you'll doubt yourself. If you do reach that stage, talk to people and reread what you wrote on here. Then he will become mean when he realises that hasn't worked.

Allow yourself time to grieve this relationship and what should have been Flowers

Sicario · 26/10/2021 21:48

Get your name off that joint bank account asap. These accounts hold you "jointly and severally" liable, as I discovered to my cost when my abusive exH ran up a 12k overdraft. And I had to pay back every penny.

WELL DONE FOR LEAVING.

I wonder how long it will be before he unleashes the suicide threats...