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Sexless marriage thread anyone want to join

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whyamidoingthisamimad · 14/10/2021 15:55

We have it so infrequently I'm constantly wanting to divorce but I feel awful to disrupt the family. I've talked to him multiple times. Please can anyone help me how to navigate this as its highly unlikely to change

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GoodnightGrandma · 24/10/2021 18:09

@1MillionDollars

Friend of my ex was in same situation. He carries on as if things are fine. He doesn't do much for her in the bedroom, limited amount of sex over 15 years.

Her words...She's wasted the best parts of her life. She's 51 now.

What did she do ?
1MillionDollars · 24/10/2021 18:12

She has no skills, none of her own real money and has a nice life with him apart from the sex as he earns quite well.

So she just stays where she is. I think he clearly knows she's not interested sexually in him but would rather bury his head as he puts her on a pedestal.

Only one life to live. Don't waste it.

1MillionDollars · 24/10/2021 18:14

She dreaded going away together recently as it meant sharing a bed and he might (might) make advances. I feel sorry for him as he's always saying how things are perfect when I know their not.

GoodnightGrandma · 24/10/2021 18:16

God, I remember pretending to be asleep on holiday so he didn’t make a move 🥴 I sympathise.

1MillionDollars · 24/10/2021 18:19

He's pretty much given up to from what I gather, it's just an untalked about situation now. If I needed sex, I'd be discussing getting it elsewhere.

Lana07 · 24/10/2021 19:13

[quote ordinaryman]@Lana07
"Did you ask her why she's gone off sex with you?"
"Did you ask your wife why there is no hug, holding hands and a peck on the cheek either?"

Yes, of course. We talked many times (always initiated by me) and she would give many and varied reasons/excuses which I would address genuinely constructively, as I wanted the relationship to get back on track.

Any supposed medical issues: she refused to see a doctor. Lack of libido: likewise, nor interested in any kind of therapy. Not having time, etc: would never make time, and when I did, she said it felt 'false'.

If I kept bringing it up too regularly, then I was pestering. If I left it for months without mention, nothing happened. Then as soon as I brought it up after those months, I was pestering again.

Her list of hangups become so long that basically she was suggesting I should wait for the removal of every single life issue before she might be interested: ie: money worries, work worries, kids, parents, body image issues, household chores, etc. etc. etc. Basically, the kind of stuff that everyboday has in their day-to-day life and NEVER goes away.

I know this might create the impression of some demanding, over-bearing ogre, but this has been going on over most of my ~20 year marriage, in an environment where affection and intimacy should have been ever-present. I was always very reassuring that I valued her input, was non-blaming (initially) and gave her ample opportunity to be open and honest with me.

After several years of no improvement, and having addressed (or as best I could facilitate the addressing of all the supposed issues) I realised I would never reach the end of her ever-changing list of prerequistes. Indeed, that that was the very point - for her to keep kicking the can down the road and keep me at arms length as best she could.

I think she doesn't want any light physical affection (hugs, kisses, cuddles, hand-holds, etc.) in case it leads to sex.

Anyway, last time I raised it, I was done with the 'it's not you it's me' sentiment and made it clear that I do blame her for stonewalling. I said that I am the only one who seems to care about the relationship and that she is making no effort to either work with me to re-connect as lovers, nor to come to me with any of her own thoughts, suggestions or solutions.

Even if every effort of mine to reconnect has been in her view completely useless, ill-conceived, male-centric, too sexual, pressuring, or whatever, or that she doesn't see herself ever wanting me again, then I have no problem with her telling me that straight - I'm a grown-up and I've never pretended that I have all the answers, but her just giving me the brick-wall treatment renders her 100% to blame.[/quote]
You are just not sexually compatible if it's been happening for 20 years.

Lana07 · 24/10/2021 19:14

How often would like it ideally if you had that choice and support?

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 19:15

Friend of mine has been in a sexless marriage for well over ten years, quite possibly longer. She's the one who doesn't want it. Has various reasons for this including loss of libido following miscarriages (this is about 15 years ago), health problems including breast cancer, menopause, him putting on weight, him working long hours (she doesn't work), body image issues etc.
She said that after the first few years of no sex he stopped asking her what was wrong and he stopped asking for sex. She presumed he was ok with the set up.
Recently he's lost weight and brought the subject up again. She said she didn't feel up to it.
He then left her and is now with another woman.
She is devastated. She has admitted - she's not devastated because she misses him or loves him, she's devastated because her lifestyle has changed. Basically she liked being married and provided for. She thought he was happy without sex. She is incredulous that another woman fancies him. She seems to not understand her part in the breakdown of the marriage blaming him for not communicating with her.
I try to support her but now that I know all this, I find it hard to know what to say sometimes. Of course he should've tried harder to work with her and talk to her but I can't help feeling, she should've tried harder too. (I also suspect he was seeing the other woman before he left her but have not suggested this to her. )

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 19:17

@ordinaryman what will you do? Your situation sounds awful.

Violet869 · 24/10/2021 19:24

@Macaroni46

Friend of mine has been in a sexless marriage for well over ten years, quite possibly longer. She's the one who doesn't want it. Has various reasons for this including loss of libido following miscarriages (this is about 15 years ago), health problems including breast cancer, menopause, him putting on weight, him working long hours (she doesn't work), body image issues etc. She said that after the first few years of no sex he stopped asking her what was wrong and he stopped asking for sex. She presumed he was ok with the set up. Recently he's lost weight and brought the subject up again. She said she didn't feel up to it. He then left her and is now with another woman. She is devastated. She has admitted - she's not devastated because she misses him or loves him, she's devastated because her lifestyle has changed. Basically she liked being married and provided for. She thought he was happy without sex. She is incredulous that another woman fancies him. She seems to not understand her part in the breakdown of the marriage blaming him for not communicating with her. I try to support her but now that I know all this, I find it hard to know what to say sometimes. Of course he should've tried harder to work with her and talk to her but I can't help feeling, she should've tried harder too. (I also suspect he was seeing the other woman before he left her but have not suggested this to her. )
So she was with him for the lifestyle and expecting him to remain celibate, that is quite selfish. The problem is if one person wants to have sex and the other doesn’t, it will never work. It will either result in a very unhappy marriage built on resentment, or infidelity.
1MillionDollars · 24/10/2021 19:32

@Macaroni46

Friend of mine has been in a sexless marriage for well over ten years, quite possibly longer. She's the one who doesn't want it. Has various reasons for this including loss of libido following miscarriages (this is about 15 years ago), health problems including breast cancer, menopause, him putting on weight, him working long hours (she doesn't work), body image issues etc. She said that after the first few years of no sex he stopped asking her what was wrong and he stopped asking for sex. She presumed he was ok with the set up. Recently he's lost weight and brought the subject up again. She said she didn't feel up to it. He then left her and is now with another woman. She is devastated. She has admitted - she's not devastated because she misses him or loves him, she's devastated because her lifestyle has changed. Basically she liked being married and provided for. She thought he was happy without sex. She is incredulous that another woman fancies him. She seems to not understand her part in the breakdown of the marriage blaming him for not communicating with her. I try to support her but now that I know all this, I find it hard to know what to say sometimes. Of course he should've tried harder to work with her and talk to her but I can't help feeling, she should've tried harder too. (I also suspect he was seeing the other woman before he left her but have not suggested this to her. )
Same with couple I know. She's a bit of a princess and has never had to work. I suppose she might get half in a divorce but she's got nothing but gets a nice house, dinners, holidays.

I'm not a massive fan of hers so I actually hope she is unhappy for being entitled. I felt for him though. He even built an extension so she could have her own room years ago.

People choose to be unhappy rather than make tough decisions. I know I stayed in my RL 5 years or more longer than I should have because of kids.

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 19:34

@Violet869
"So she was with him for the lifestyle and expecting him to remain celibate, that is quite selfish. The problem is if one person wants to have sex and the other doesn’t, it will never work. It will either result in a very unhappy marriage built on resentment, or infidelity."
Exactly that. I'm finding her quite hard to relate to to be honest. I had no idea until recently about the years of no sex situation. I knew she was not particularly happy in the marriage and she often used to moan about him 'not making much effort' towards her. Now I'm never sure what to say, other than maybe you're better off separate from each other and suggesting that she finds a job so she isn't entirely financially dependent on him.

TravelLost · 24/10/2021 19:42

So she was with him for the lifestyle and expecting him to remain celibate, that is quite selfish.

See I disagree with that.

If one partner doesn’t want sex, they don’t. They don’t owe it to the other to give them a sex life.

The other partner though is free to choose whether they are happy to accept that sexless life or not. I think it’s up to them to decide whether they are happy with the situation or not. If they are not, the best should be to leave rather than automatically fall into either resentment or an affair.

It’s the same with a mismatched sex drive tbh.

1MillionDollars · 24/10/2021 19:54

@TravelLost

So she was with him for the lifestyle and expecting him to remain celibate, that is quite selfish.

See I disagree with that.

If one partner doesn’t want sex, they don’t. They don’t owe it to the other to give them a sex life.

The other partner though is free to choose whether they are happy to accept that sexless life or not. I think it’s up to them to decide whether they are happy with the situation or not. If they are not, the best should be to leave rather than automatically fall into either resentment or an affair.

It’s the same with a mismatched sex drive tbh.

It's just not that simple though is it in real life. Logically, mathematically it makes sense but there are many many other emotional factors at play.
beonetomatter · 24/10/2021 19:56

@TravelLost I do not agree with that. Both partners should be responsible for the happiness of their marriage. In the following case, it was she who broke up the marriage.

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 19:57

@TravelLost and I disagree with you.
I think when you're married you do owe it to the other to have sex and if you don't want to, for whatever reason, you should try to resolve that or set your spouse free. Obviously there'll be periods when sex is off the table due to childbirth, illness etc but if it's a long term thing, the celibate partner should be open with their partner and be prepared to end the relationship. In my friend's case, she didn't want sex with him but didn't want anyone else to have him either.
I think by not having sex, you're pushing your partner into a corner - leave or be celibate. And I think that's unfair v

beonetomatter · 24/10/2021 20:07

I cannot imagine marriage without sexual intercourse. It is important to both of us, but even now we talk to each other as if one of us could not because of an illness. It seems to me that there is a lack of talks on this subject in your relationships. We have been together for almost 20 years, we met when I was at university, and during this period of time each of us went through periods of decreased or increased libido, but in each case we talk to each other what causes it and what we can do. Reading this thread, I wonder if the talks stop with age?

TravelLost · 24/10/2021 20:10

Really? You owe your partner to have sex?

So one partner has a chronic illness and sex is the last thing in their mind but they ought to force themselves to have sex because they owe it to their partner?

Or many other variation as to why one partner doesn’t fancy to have sex. But somehow they should either force themselves to have sex or force their partner to become single?

What is telling you that said partner would automatically chose to be separated if given the choice?
What is telling you that the partner with the higher sex drive isn’t happy to compromise on that?

And why is it that suddenly that partner doesn’t have any self agency and has become unable to make decision for themselves??

In that case, the husband is staying and keeps saying everything is great. Maybe he is putting in a facade. Maybe he is actually happy with that compromise. Who are you to decide he is somehow wrong to do so?

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 20:16

No @TravelLost of course they shouldn't force themselves to have sex. And I wasn't talking about chronic illness. I was talking about situations where one partner of a marriage has decided that they no longer want sex. And I said that that partner, the sexless one, should be willing to make an effort to resolve the situation or should accept that their partner may choose to leave.
In my friend's case, it would seem that she did neither.
I do agree though that her exH could've made a more concerted effort to talk to her about the lack of intimacy or should have left. I suspect he stayed because he adores his children. Equally her thinking everything was ok was naive.
@beonetomatter sums it up perfectly: communication is key.

TravelLost · 24/10/2021 20:20

should accept that their partner may choose to leave.

I agree with that.
But that is very different from what was originally said which is that that woman is selfish for not getting divorced and ‘letting him be free to meet someone else.

I would highly doubt that your friend is somehow forcing her DH to stay in the marriage and he has no way to leave if he wanted. He can. But has chosen not to so far.

beonetomatter · 24/10/2021 20:23

@TravelLost It is not that simple once children are involved...plus I assume that many couples still have some sort of emotional and financial attachment.

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 20:27

"I don't see it changing, so have the unenviable decision to make (as do many others here it seems) to 'settle' and accept the good elements of our living together, or be the bad guy and wreck everyone's lives by walking out."

This is what makes me sad. It's the partner whose sex drive hasn't changed who ends up being the bad guy (or girl). The one not wanting sex holds the cards. Very unfair in my opinion.

Macaroni46 · 24/10/2021 20:32

@TravelLost fair enough that my first post was poorly worded.

"I would highly doubt that your friend is somehow forcing her DH to stay in the marriage and he has no way to leave if he wanted. He can. But has chosen not to so far."

I also agree with this ^

I do think however that the reason he has only chosen to leave now is because the youngest DC has now left home. He loves his kids and didn't want to be a part time father or to be seen as the bad guy - which is very much how my friend is portraying him. In her eyes, he has abandoned her.
It's all very sad. Nobody is wrong. Nobody is right.

beonetomatter · 24/10/2021 20:33

I don't think you can't win. If you leave your marriage for the sake of sex, you are the one for whom only sex is important. If you stay, you can't be happy. If you cheat, you are the worst sort...if you choose open marriage, then you will be judged...

Lana07 · 24/10/2021 20:38

@Macaroni46

Friend of mine has been in a sexless marriage for well over ten years, quite possibly longer. She's the one who doesn't want it. Has various reasons for this including loss of libido following miscarriages (this is about 15 years ago), health problems including breast cancer, menopause, him putting on weight, him working long hours (she doesn't work), body image issues etc. She said that after the first few years of no sex he stopped asking her what was wrong and he stopped asking for sex. She presumed he was ok with the set up. Recently he's lost weight and brought the subject up again. She said she didn't feel up to it. He then left her and is now with another woman. She is devastated. She has admitted - she's not devastated because she misses him or loves him, she's devastated because her lifestyle has changed. Basically she liked being married and provided for. She thought he was happy without sex. She is incredulous that another woman fancies him. She seems to not understand her part in the breakdown of the marriage blaming him for not communicating with her. I try to support her but now that I know all this, I find it hard to know what to say sometimes. Of course he should've tried harder to work with her and talk to her but I can't help feeling, she should've tried harder too. (I also suspect he was seeing the other woman before he left her but have not suggested this to her. )
Yes, good, honest and open communication is very important for a happy marriage.

She is 50% to blame for what happened too.