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Sexless marriage thread anyone want to join

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whyamidoingthisamimad · 14/10/2021 15:55

We have it so infrequently I'm constantly wanting to divorce but I feel awful to disrupt the family. I've talked to him multiple times. Please can anyone help me how to navigate this as its highly unlikely to change

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Lonelyone12 · 08/01/2022 17:07

I'm in the same position. Married 15 years. Two teenagers. Marriage completely sexless for two years. At my wits end as living a lie. I would have left him years ago but my family are from another part of the country so I just stay here as am basically trapped. I cannot disrupt the kids education and if I'm not in the marital home I'd want to return to my family. Just can see no end to this. Sick of making endless sacrifices regarding my family (when his is local) whilst just existing here in an empty sexless marriage. I've tried talking to him about it so many times but I'm mentally exhausted with it now but I'm finding it harder and harder to cope. I just wish as a 20 year old I'd never made the decision to move away for him.

EngTech · 15/01/2022 20:49

Thread has gone quiet, hope everyone is feeling ok?

rosabug · 15/01/2022 23:07

Look everyone.

I'm 60. My 25 year relationship was always fairly sparse sexually. Then over the years it disappeared entirely. I tried everything. Talking, Shouting, leaving for a night. I even tried an open relationship for a couple of years (me active - him not). Just to stop the feeling that I was dying inside and that I would never have sex again at age 50.

The relationship exploded in a cosmic way. How and why is not really important. Because despite being alone I feel so much better. And the only thing I regret is not realising I could survive and thrive without him. There was a point after being rejected on holiday that I look back on and I feel so sad for myself - I should have faced the truth - that day. That I would have survived, I kept suffocating it. And he certainly wasn't go to tell me the truth.

And some of you are in your thirties! RUN FOR THE HILLS. The way out is through the door. Because I'm sorry, but these things do not get better. They don't. You're the lobster in the pot and you don't realise it.

P.S During the break-up he finally told me he hadn't fancied me for years. I can't get those years back.

BearFacedCheekGrylls · 16/01/2022 08:49

For those who have said there self esteem is crushed I recommend dipping your toe back in the water, if you feel you can.

My marriage was sexless for four years until we split in my 40s. Before that I’d have to really perform to make him come, dress up etc. He never initiated and I got sick of being the only one making any effort. He also used porn. Friends I confided in were convinced he was gay.

I had a couple of flings via a hook up site as I wanted sex but I wasn’t ready for a relationship. Then I had a relationship which sadly did not work out but sex was amazing.

I’m single now, enjoying life, all of the above boosted my self esteem and I no longer think I’m this hideous unfanciable creature.

He has settled down already with a new partner and I wonder whether she is perhaps content to live with very little sex.

understandabl · 16/01/2022 11:06

Since typing on this website I’ve realised something, it’s not my problem, it’s his problem. The fact he doesn’t want sex has upset me a lot mainly because he also withdrew his affection at the same time and it was his love and affection that I wanted. But I’ve since read up online and spoken to my dr about low testosterone levels leading to lack of desire and the need for sex. So it might be something that could be fixed with hormones etc, but seems I’m the only one trying to make things work in the bedroom and he’s not bothered so I am starting to feel like giving up. Why should I be the one trying to keep things together by trying to solve this problem when he doesn’t seem to be bothered by it? He is going about life happy as Larry as if there’s nothing wrong between us. He acts as if he’s not a care in the world and it’s not a problem. But I do want sex, i want to be desired and I want love and affection, I feel like he’s not trying. Because he’s not. If I tell him I love him he’ll say it back, if I ask for a kiss I’ll get a quick kiss on the lips, if I want a hug I’ll get a hug. But I want him to want to do those things naturally because he wants to I shouldn’t need to ask. He brings me coffee in bed, he’ll do the cooking, he’s kind and helpful. He’s a good person and a great dad, I do love him but when he told me he doesn’t want sex anymore and he doesn’t fancy me anymore it broke my heart. I’ve been trying to fix things ever since. But he doesn’t seem to be bothered he thinks everything is fine. That this is just what happens as you get older. But we’re in our forties?! So with the help I’ve had from the members here I’ve realised it is probably the male menopause and there are things he could do about it. But he doesn’t want to. So I’m thinking if he isn’t bothered about fixing it why should I be? I’ve done everything I can? I’m now on antidepressants because of it. I just need to decide where I go from here, because we have children it’s not just all about me.

rosabug · 16/01/2022 12:29

@understandabl

Since typing on this website I’ve realised something, it’s not my problem, it’s his problem. The fact he doesn’t want sex has upset me a lot mainly because he also withdrew his affection at the same time and it was his love and affection that I wanted. But I’ve since read up online and spoken to my dr about low testosterone levels leading to lack of desire and the need for sex. So it might be something that could be fixed with hormones etc, but seems I’m the only one trying to make things work in the bedroom and he’s not bothered so I am starting to feel like giving up. Why should I be the one trying to keep things together by trying to solve this problem when he doesn’t seem to be bothered by it? He is going about life happy as Larry as if there’s nothing wrong between us. He acts as if he’s not a care in the world and it’s not a problem. But I do want sex, i want to be desired and I want love and affection, I feel like he’s not trying. Because he’s not. If I tell him I love him he’ll say it back, if I ask for a kiss I’ll get a quick kiss on the lips, if I want a hug I’ll get a hug. But I want him to want to do those things naturally because he wants to I shouldn’t need to ask. He brings me coffee in bed, he’ll do the cooking, he’s kind and helpful. He’s a good person and a great dad, I do love him but when he told me he doesn’t want sex anymore and he doesn’t fancy me anymore it broke my heart. I’ve been trying to fix things ever since. But he doesn’t seem to be bothered he thinks everything is fine. That this is just what happens as you get older. But we’re in our forties?! So with the help I’ve had from the members here I’ve realised it is probably the male menopause and there are things he could do about it. But he doesn’t want to. So I’m thinking if he isn’t bothered about fixing it why should I be? I’ve done everything I can? I’m now on antidepressants because of it. I just need to decide where I go from here, because we have children it’s not just all about me.
When this happens the first we do is look for complex answers: male menopause, depression. With me it was his upbringing and his psychology around sex that I focused on, because he still said he loved me and he still enjoyed my affection towards him.

But the killer is this: You tell your partner how unhappy you are, how it's making you feel and they just roll over your pain and expect you to suffer in silence. My ex said towards the end that he was just hoping I'd "adjust to it" but he never told me how he really felt, the best I got was "I just can't seem to respond to you anymore". This went on for years and that to me was the worst cruelty.

My ex said - "If Id told you how I really felt you would have left" - but that was my choice. When you don't have the truth you can't decide what to do with your life. I don't think sexuality dies - but with men, I do believe it goes underground. My ex knew a lot more than he would say.

I feel your pain - it's a terrible conflict you are placed in - like a quiet prison that corrodes your life and they don't care how you feel, not really. Ultimately you have to ask yourself is that really love?

In the end I blew it up by insisting on opening up our relationship. He then begun a secret 4 year affair and all the lying that goes with that. There was nothing wrong with his sex drive - it just had died as far as I was concerned. Looking back I wonder why I didn't just leave, but that's knowledge in hindsight. Knowing what I do now, at 60, I would have left in my late 40s/early 50s. It would have been so painful and difficult - but it would have been an act of self determination and self-love. I wasted years wishing and hoping and trying to "solve" it.

I would suggest if you can to get some therapy yourself. One of the things that happens when this is on your mind all the time, is that you cease to focus on yourself. And that is probably the only way things will change for you. You cannot change him - he has made his position clear, in action and minimal words.

I remember telling a male friend about my situation and he said "he's torturing you, you're living in torture". That's certainly how I felt. I know some friends were horrified when I forced the open relationship and had other lovers, but they don't know what it does to you. Ultimately it just prolonged a bad relationship I think, and wasn't a solution, so I'm not advocating that.

But you need to think about how you want to live. And what you can do for yourself.

And lastly - one of the big impediments to living a full life is the belief that a relationship is only successful if it lasts forever. We all buy into that delusion. Nothing lasts forever, and there is freedom in that knowledge.

AK1975 · 19/01/2022 09:10

I am a mid forties male carer to my other half, who has a multitude of disabilities.
The constant pain she experiences, plus effects of medication, added with the loss of libido, has killed intimacy.
We haven't done it for that many years I have lost track.
This is enforced on me, and I just have to accept it, and get on with life.
It isn't her fault.
I have a high drive, and apart from pathetic masturbation, I have to suppress my desires.
I am not dead from the waist down yet!
I thought I would be at it for the rest of my life until I dropped dead!
But it isn't the case.
I am quite knowledgeable in the bedroom department, and always treated sex like a banquet of many courses.
But, as I say, all that has to be suppressed.

I have suggested couples therapy and counseling many times, and she isn't interested.
She has made the odd comment that I don't initiate anything, but when I do she isn't interested, so I don't try, which becomes a vicious circle.
I haven't tried for so long, I have lost count of the years.
If I suggested an open relationship I would be asked to leave.
If I suggested any sexual release outside our relationship, I would be asked to leave.

I must have been a mass murderer in a previous life!
I hope our children don't have to live this miserable ordeal, and don't end up in a similar situation.

Even the dog gets more affection!!

Apart from no sex life, and the usual life, family, and financial challenges, everything else ticks over smoothly.

Rant over!

Mumof3confused · 19/01/2022 09:26

@AK1975 that sounds really tough for you and almost like a lifetime sentence. If she won’t engage in counselling, it does not stop you from going on your own.

AK1975 · 19/01/2022 09:40

It is a lifetime sentence.
I keep telling myself that there are those in worse situations, which gives me a shred of comfort.
Apart from lack of intimacy, my home life is good, and I wouldn't want to risk throwing that away to end up a weekend dad.

Mumof3confused · 19/01/2022 10:05

@AK1975

It is a lifetime sentence. I keep telling myself that there are those in worse situations, which gives me a shred of comfort. Apart from lack of intimacy, my home life is good, and I wouldn't want to risk throwing that away to end up a weekend dad.
That is true, and admirable, but the fact that she does not seem to see that this is hurting you/ is not willing to do anything about it isn’t good. I can understand that she has health problems and this is very hard for her, she may feel very unattractive, have low energy etc but unless she is completely incapacitated it’s a bit unfair to just remove sex from the table completely. This leaves you with very little choice. Does she not miss intimacy and sex?
NineteenSeventy2 · 19/01/2022 12:37

@AK1975
That’s no way to live. If you can handle the guilt I think I’d be tempted to find a friend if I were you. You’re trapped in an awful situation!
What are your plans for when the children are older?

understandabl · 19/01/2022 12:44

@AK1975
I’m the other side of this situation. I understand how frustrating it must be. But I’m the one with the health problems and the medication and the one who’s lost the sex drive- BUT I still want us to have sex. The tablets surpress my desire and my ability in the bedroom but I still want to be with my husband because I love him. On my wedding day my mum told me “never stop kissing” and “sex is the cement of a marriage” I was a bit shocked when my prudish teacher mum said this but they’re in their eighties now and still can’t keep their hands off each other. I was brought up thinking this was how love was. But it comes in all shapes and sizes. Unfortunately I’ve failed on both her pieces of advice and who knows maybe that’s the problem, or one of them? I’m now certain that my husband is going through the male menopause and his libido has dropped..
in fact we had a chat about it yesterday and he agreed it could well be that, but that he didn’t mind. I told him that I did mind though, that he was basically expecting me to continue in a sexless marriage and that I wasn’t ok with it. That sometimes I really fancy a nice long snog! I miss the sex. Not because I’m a sex maniac or anything but because I miss everything that comes with it. The loving, the intimacy, the cuddles and kisses and in some ways my mum was right. Because I definitely felt closer with it than without it. We have a nice life together but we’re like best friends now. I did about what will happen when the kids leave home and it’s just the two of us? I don’t want to stay here only for him to leave me later on? Leaving isn’t really an option for me because I love my family and I love him and our home. But when I suggested couples therapy he said “is that what you think about? Is that what you think is important? What about getting better? Your health? The finances? The kids?” So yeah I felt a bit shallow then, but it is a problem definitely. I recommend couples therapy by yourself it has helped me feel stronger and better about the situation. I still hope that one day the sex will return though and he knows how I feel. It’d be pretty selfish now he’s aware of my feelings about it to ignore them. Good luck!

@rosabug
thank you for your insight. I look at you with admiration and I wonder what life would be like if I did leave..my brother was the same.. he and his wife just drifted from being a couple into a friendship and then they broke up and I wonder if that’s what I should do? Although I really don’t want too! (He’s now remarried with a baby and I’ve never seen him so happy, he’s also still good friends with his ex who also has someone else.) But I still love my husband and I still hope there’s a way of getting things sorted out. I’m now more accepting of the situation and I suppose for now we’ll just get on with it, but we’ve had our ups and downs before and only for my strength and resolution we’ve come through it!! so I wonder if we can do it again..? it’s not even as if we’ve fallen out about it. At first I felt awful he really hurt me. I was devastated. But I’ve started cognitive therapy and I feel stronger and more able to cope. I also feel happier and more confident now I’ve switched from thinking “it’s all my fault that he doesn’t fancy me” to “well it’s actually his fault he has a low sex drive” it’s ok I’m ok. He should be the one worrying and making the effort not me! But actually a compromise would be better..so I’ll see how we go. To anyone else I’d say try therapy first before you pack your bags..you can go on your own like me and I believe it’s helping me. I didn’t realise how low my self confidence was until I went. Now I feel more in control and I feel like I can make a real decision about my future. I don’t need to cling to that one person if things aren’t ok. I have the strength to deal with what might come next..

AK1975 · 19/01/2022 13:08

@NineteenSeventy2

You say I should attempt to find a friend.
The thought has crossed my mind that there must be many people in my situation who have similar thoughts.
There must be people who even though are in a similar situation, don't want to lose or give up their family, and just need a regular release elsewhere.

As for the children and our plans.
When they leave it will just be us growing old, I guess.
One is leaving this year to get married.
The second eldest wants their own place.
The youngest is coming to the end of primary school, so they will be with us a while yet.

@Mumof3confused
I honestly don't think she misses intimacy and sex.

@understandabl
I think your husband is lucky in the sense that you haven't switched your mind off completely from sex.
There is still hope for you.

I know I shouldn't have put anything on here, as even though I am anonymous, it is disrespectful to my other half.
I was mainly wondering if anybody had any mental coping mechanisms.

I find myself looking at other women, for example.
The coping mechanism would be to look at the ground or wear a blindfold!

Pky45 · 19/01/2022 14:21

@AK1975
I know exactly how you feel, I’m a bit older (52), and so is my partner, she has gone through menopause and no interest in sex any more, and we are just living like house mates now, life just rumbles on, house is nice, no money worries, no love, no intimacy, no sex, one of the side effects of menopause is snoring ( as I found out), so I’m often sleeping in the spare room now as she snores really loudly,
We had sex twice last year, and both times I could tell she was not really enjoying it, but just doing it to pacify me, which felt pretty bloody crappy.

My only advice is get out while you can, I have found that I’m getting resentful now, I used to care what she thought, but I care less and less now, I’m the one earning the money and getting nothing in return ( I do most of cooking and cleaning as well ), and im now relagated to the spare room, it’s all pretty shit really.

Just get out as it doesn’t get any better

Tailsyflugbun · 19/01/2022 14:25

Have you spoken to her about it @Pky45 ?

AK1975 · 19/01/2022 14:28

I don't think a person is asking much if they want a regular, lengthy passionate session.
Sex has many health benefits too.

AverageGuy · 19/01/2022 14:37

@Pky45 - Been there, done that, got the T-shiet. I waited (wasted?) 10 years to get out of a sexless, passionless relationship, and I'm glad I did, but sad I waited so long.

Remember, life is short.

AverageGuy · 19/01/2022 14:38

*T-shirt... Confused

Pky45 · 19/01/2022 14:45

@Tailsyflugbun
Yes, we had a conversation above it last year, and how unhappy I was, (hence having twice last year), buts more than that, I’m not sure how to explain, I want her to want to have sex, not just lie there like a sack of spuds

@AverageGuy yes those are my current thoughts

Crazykatie · 19/01/2022 15:06

I had that for 10 yrs eventually left, quite quickly found a man that did want me, I had forgotten what it was like to be desired. What a change around my confidence and ego is sky high

Tailsyflugbun · 19/01/2022 15:12

I know a very attractive man in his sixties who I am pretty sure does not have sex with his wife anymore. He made a comment once about my dog licking his face and that was more than he would 'get at home'. (BTW, he wasn't coming onto me by saying this as I was still with my exH at the time and he directed the comment more at my exH in a 'jokey' way).
I know what the guy's wife looks like and she is attractive.
I just couldn't help thinking then why she wouldn't want to have sex with him as he is incredibly fit, attractive and friendly.
But then I suppose nobody knows why other than the person who is not wanting to have sex anymore.

AverageGuy · 19/01/2022 15:29

@Pky45 - " I want her to want to have sex, not just lie there like a sack of spuds" - god, I know that feeling!

For a long time, I truly wonderd if it was me.. Maybe I was not good enough, not doing things right, not pressing the right buttons etc etc...

Having left that toxic relationship, and found (more than one in the last few years) women willing (and sometimes eager!) to have sex with me, I now know it's not me, but it took a while for me to believe it...

Would she consider an open relationship? That way it's not cheating..

Tailsyflugbun · 19/01/2022 15:37

Sorry to laugh but: 'women willing' '(and sometimes eager!)'

Ah that's funny. I'd be mortified if someone was merely 'willing' to have sex with me but it's still really funny.

Pky45 · 19/01/2022 15:47

@Tailsyflugbun
The dog comment is sooo true, we have a couple of dogs and they get more attention and affection than I do, ( and I get more love from them TBH)

@AverageGuy. I would take willing any day right now, I can’t imagine any woman ever being ‘eager’ to have sex with me. lol 😂

AverageGuy · 19/01/2022 15:53

@Tailsyflugbun - my personal (very tongue in cheek!) definitions -

"Eager" - someone that can't wait to rip your clothes off, and get their hands on you.

"Willing" someone that is in the right place at the right time, and in the right mood... Grin